Liberation of the Elements

[Deleted member 247165]

This one is mine to review xD. Got my attention. Reserved for review, will post it soon.

 

[gaurdian of the flame]

are you going to create a custom campaign or will make only maps

 

[RichardBlackEye]

are you going to create a custom campaign or will make only maps

The dream is to follow the orcs' story up to the opening of the Portal to Azeroth. (Edit: with this I mean, yeah, a custom campaign is in mind)

For now, I want to check if this map fulfills the community standards and learn from any mistake.

 

[Resyak]

I just played it and these are my first impressions.

First of all, I like how you have customized the Orcs, although I would have liked to see more custom skills. On the other hand, the difficulty felt very unbalanced, at first it was very difficult, perhaps because I wanted to go too fast. I suppose that for someone who plays more "calm" it does not become so difficult.

There are also small details that would improve the game a lot, the missions for example, it would be nice to add a description (I know they are classic missions of destroy bases, but it would still be good). It would also be nice to remove the unit selection during cinematics and improve transitions. When I raised the "Pack Tatics" skill to level 3, the icon turned green, it may have been a visual bug and it is not a real error because then it solved itself. It would also be necessary to add the option to skip the cinematics. There is also no defeat condition.

Obviously it is a very early version but I think that in general it is a good base on which to work to get a good product.

Regards.

PS: Regardless of what some say or score, my advice is to keep working on this map, take note of the bugs that are reported to you and fix them little by little. If you plan to create an RTS-type campaign, develop the race that you are going to use to the maximum, in this case the orcs, as I told you before you have a good base on which to work, do not be discouraged and keep updating. And something very important, do not be in a hurry, the campaign I am working on has been developing for years (it started to develop in 2018) and is still incomplete and still has bugs, so take it easy.

 

[RichardBlackEye]

I just played it and these are my first impressions.

First of all, I like how you have customized the Orcs, although I would have liked to see more custom skills. On the other hand, the difficulty felt very unbalanced, at first it was very difficult, perhaps because I wanted to go too fast. I suppose that for someone who plays more "calm" it does not become so difficult.

There are also small details that would improve the game a lot, the missions for example, it would be nice to add a description (I know they are classic missions of destroy bases, but it would still be good). It would also be nice to remove the unit selection during cinematics and improve transitions. When I raised the "Pack Tatics" skill to level 3, the icon turned green, it may have been a visual bug and it is not a real error because then it solved itself. It would also be necessary to add the option to skip the cinematics. There is also no defeat condition.

Obviously it is a very early version but I think that in general it is a good base on which to work to get a good product.

Regards.

PS: Regardless of what some say or score, my advice is to keep working on this map, take note of the bugs that are reported to you and fix them little by little. If you plan to create an RTS-type campaign, develop the race that you are going to use to the maximum, in this case the orcs, as I told you before you have a good base on which to work, do not be discouraged and keep updating. And something very important, do not be in a hurry, the campaign I am working on has been developing for years (it started to develop in 2018) and is still incomplete and still has bugs, so take it easy.

Thank you very much for the detailed feedback, @Resyak !

Yeah, the plan was to see how the map faces the community standards and detect any mistakes I might have done. And also to take notes from your kind of feedback.

Truly, the orcs require more to be fully fleshed: Icons could be more diverse (Grunts share all the same icon) and the Outrider seems empty as a non-ability unit.
The difficulty on the AI was already registered as a problem to be solved: It is much more difficult in the beginning with the 3 Outposts sending attack groups, rather than in the end when (hopefully) only the ogres from the Elemental Plateau remain, barely attacking your bases.

I totally forgot about the quests descriptions, unit selection in cinematics and defeat condition... Maybe A bit more organization from my part will avoid such mistakes in upcoming works and updates.

As for the Skip the Cinematics, I'm having problems working on that trigger system since in most of my cinematics there are buildings and units being spawned. Might have to check how some people do it, else I might have to repeat the building triggers (One for during the cinematic; other for if cinematic skipped).

The green icon shouldn't happen so it might have been a visual bug (don't want to dismiss it without further checking, but 1.30v gave me some new problems to older maps). By the way, when you refer the "improve transitions" you mean the fade in/ out and dialogue time during the cinematics or simply the camera movements?

Once again, thank you very much for giving feedback and support!

 

[RichardBlackEye]

THC?

Sorry, I didn't understand the question.

 

[EdgarSIP]

twilight hammer clan

 

[RichardBlackEye]

twilight hammer clan

Oh, well I only used models for the Shadowmoon, Warsong, Blackrock and Frostwolf clans.
In Chronicle: Volume 2, the Twilight Hammer Clan is said to be formed while the Gul'dan's Horde was rising, 398 years after this map events.

But yeah, if this ends up in a campaign project, Cho'Gall and the formation of the THC will be a cool map to make!

 

[Deleted member 247165]

Now then. Got enough time to try it out. I like the starting cinematic. First of all, I love the model of the protagonist hero. While the concept is nice and all, the gameplay or lets say the objective whatsoever make it sort of blunt and unattractive. I know that for a primary mission, the objective shouldn't be too hard, but as far as I recall any mission should be at least captivating or attractive lets say. I like the techtree, though you should make the upgradeable researches that aren't available not to show at all. The spells of the protagonist hero are pure w3 default. I would work more on them, to make them a bit more elements themed like some totems with elemental powers, different abilities idk, you can be very creative here.
It is a good start but this isn't ready for approval. You also set the Campaign tag but there's only one map, I suppose you wanna receive some feedback first then go straight to full development. In this case, I highly recommend to open a thread in the map development section here on Hive. As for the status, I set it to Awaiting Update.

My fellow reviewers can be contacted in case you aren't satisfied with my review: @deepstrasz @mafe @Paillan @eubz @Wazzz

 

[RichardBlackEye]

Now then. Got enough time to try it out. I like the starting cinematic. First of all, I love the model of the protagonist hero. While the concept is nice and all, the gameplay or lets say the objective whatsoever make it sort of blunt and unattractive. I know that for a primary mission, the objective shouldn't be too hard, but as far as I recall any mission should be at least captivating or attractive lets say. I like the techtree, though you should make the upgradeable researches that aren't available not to show at all. The spells of the protagonist hero are pure w3 default. I would work more on them, to make them a bit more elements themed like some totems with elemental powers, different abilities idk, you can be very creative here.
It is a good start but this isn't ready for approval. You also set the Campaign tag but there's only one map, I suppose you wanna receive some feedback first then go straight to full development. In this case, I highly recommend to open a thread in the map development section here on Hive. As for the status, I set it to Awaiting Update.

My fellow reviewers can be contacted in case you aren't satisfied with my review: @deepstrasz @mafe @Paillan @eubz @Wazzz

Thank you for reviewing it and for the feedback, @Alexen !

If I may, I have some questions in order to follow the feedback you've given:

Regarding the gameplay/objective, when you say that these are blunt and unattractive, are you suggesting that it could be focused in a more detailed enemy/ building rather than "Defeat all Ogres in Elemental Plateau"? Or that it should avoid the kind of "defeat X to win" kind of quest?

The upgradeable researches were left to be shown to give a hint that there are rewards to do the secondary quests rather that simply strike at the Elemental Plateau. I take it that this feeling isn't being transmitted by the way I implemented it, or should the visible unavailable researches be avoided?

Indeed, the main hero abilities "Guiding Light", "Earth Slide" and "Tornado" always gave a sense that required a bit more work. I will play along with the abilities until I find something more interesting for a ancient draenor shaman. But are pure w3 abilities or similar ones to be avoided?

And, just for interest, the Awaiting Update status was given because these points you refereed must be changed or are there elements missing? I'm asking because if you pinpoint exactly what is making it not ready for approval I could tackle each point at a time.

Once again, thank you very much for giving feedback and support! I'll look into the campaign thread. Should I remove the Campaign tag for now?

 

[Deleted member 247165]

For the objectives, yeah, you can make it or them focused on something more detailed. You could let the primary objective to defeat the ogres from the plateau but like add something before that for example idk "in order to access the plateau, you should take down guards from idk where or use a special key to open the gates locking their stronghold on the plateau" you can be very creative here. For the researches, you answered the question by yourself. Improving what I mentioned and actually turning this map into a campaign (like really a custom campaign as its tag suggests), would lead to approval of course because as I said, it has a good concept but needs improvements. As a side note, a Campaign doesn't have only 1 map...you can idk make at least 3 for the primary release.

 

[deepstrasz]

Mag'har Grunts look the same as Armoured Peons. It's confusing.
It's a nice map but alone it's simple since there's little to no new gameplay mechanics or techtrees, rather recycled Warcraft III spells, units etc.

For now, on its own it's rather Simple. Waiting for more chapters/maps for approval or for better and creative gameplay mechanics that don't rely 100% on the base game.

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