Too much Cho (Altered Melee; Vrs.5.2)

[Babarella]

I hope the download works...

 

[Daffa]

The races are not pretty modified for altered melee. It's like a mixed up human for both sides.

 

[Babarella]

The races are not pretty modified for altered melee. It's like a mixed up human for both sides.

Thank you for your feedback. Do you have any what I could change?
And it would be nice if you could leave a rating. hx.

 

[Daffa]

Thank you for your feedback. Do you have any what I could change?
And it would be nice if you could leave a rating. hx.

Differentiate the race further. Currently, the factory building offers exactly the same thing to both ends. Both sides are also pretty similar in upgrades and structure tree.

I can see one has potential in massing while other in high tech weaponry.

Not gonna rate unless you like seeing a 1/5 or 2/5 in your map.

 

[Babarella]

Differentiate the race further. Currently, the factory building offers exactly the same thing to both ends. Both sides are also pretty similar in upgrades and structure tree.

I can see one has potential in massing while other in high tech weaponry.

Not gonna rate unless you like seeing a 1/5 or 2/5 in your map.

Thanks for your feedback.

 

[Daffa]

You should leave a changelog so we can get idea of what changes.

 

[Babarella]

You should leave a changelog so we can get idea of what changes.

I just wanted to thank you again for your feedback and help to improve my map. It means a lot to me.
And are you fine if I use your Avatar name in my map?

 

[Daffa]

I just wanted to thank you again for your feedback and help to improve my map. It means a lot to me.
And are you fine if I use your Avatar name in my map?

Those feedbacks are nothing much in my opinion to be honest. Feel free to use my avatar name though.

 

[Babarella]

Thx

 

[deepstrasz]

What kind of name is that? What does it mean?

1. Items shouldn't be chaotically placed in with upgrades.
2. Weird to have a non-last tier building with only one unit inside and no upgrades (referring to the Barracks).
3. Only one hero with usual Warcraft spells.
4. Drone and Flying Machine have the same icon and look alike. The Bomber too and this one is also too powerful.
   
5. Many units don't have abilities. They are practically not differentiated.
6. The factions are basically copies of themselves based on Human.
7. Hero abilities aren't specific. "Call big dude" and that's it.
8. Rusty Steam and Kamikaze Cart look alike, icon and all and the other faction has a similar unit too.
9. Kamikaze Cart is basically Kamikaze-Cho.

The overall design is chaotic. I'm not sure what you wanted to do.

Take a look at how proper altered melee is done:
How to: Create a Full-working Custom Race
Custom Race Creation: Advanced Mechanics
UB - Ultimate Battle v2.00b AI+
Deforestation of Felwood v2.1.1
Nightborne v1.04
Planetary Domination v2.04
Sands of Time [v1.9]
The Grand Citadel (Racial Issue 1.6)

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Describing Your Melee Map
Melee Map Description Generator v1.3

MAPS IN GENERAL
The importance of a Description
Description Guide - Maps
Map Thread Guide
Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

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A Beginner's Guide to Map Making
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial
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A Guideline to Terraining and the Hive's Terraining Section
Various Terraining Tips!
Basic Mapping Video Tutorial
WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

MELEE MAPPING
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps

PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique

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[Babarella]

What kind of name is that? What does it mean?

1. Items shouldn't be chaotically placed in with upgrades.
2. Weird to have a non-last tier building with only one unit inside and no upgrades (referring to the Barracks).
3. Only one hero with usual Warcraft spells.
4. Drone and Flying Machine have the same icon and look alike. The Bomber too and this one is also too powerful.
   
5. Many units don't have abilities. They are practically not differentiated.
6. The factions are basically copies of themselves based on Human.
7. Hero abilities aren't specific. "Call big dude" and that's it.
8. Rusty Steam and Kamikaze Cart look alike, icon and all and the other faction has a similar unit too.
9. Kamikaze Cart is basically Kamikaze-Cho.

The overall design is chaotic. I'm not sure what you wanted to do.

Take a look at how proper altered melee is done:
How to: Create a Full-working Custom Race
Custom Race Creation: Advanced Mechanics
UB - Ultimate Battle v2.00b AI+
Deforestation of Felwood v2.1.1
Nightborne v1.04
Planetary Domination v2.04
Sands of Time [v1.9]
The Grand Citadel (Racial Issue 1.6)

Awaiting Update.

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Description Guide - Melee Maps
Describing Your Melee Map
Melee Map Description Generator v1.3

MAPS IN GENERAL
The importance of a Description
Description Guide - Maps
Map Thread Guide
Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description

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• A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
  
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A Beginner's Guide to Map Making
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial
Advanced Terraining Tutorial
A Guideline to Terraining and the Hive's Terraining Section
Various Terraining Tips!
Basic Mapping Video Tutorial
WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

MELEE MAPPING
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps

PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique

LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

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Thx for your feedback. I´m going to improve it.

 

[The_Silent]

I assume you mean "Too Much Cho" and not "To Much Cho" since the latter makes little sense.

 

[deepstrasz]

Justins House has Call to Arms but it's for Peasants...
Cannot understand why you've switched human with orc workers.

Haven't changed much really, sorry,
Substandart.

 

[Babarella]

Justins House has Call to Arms but it's for Peasants...
Cannot understand why you've switched human with orc workers.

Haven't changed much really, sorry,
Substandart.

At the beginning they both had human workers and then I switched it.

 

[Daffa]

Do you still work on this?

 

[Babarella]

Do you still work on this?

Yes I do, but my laptop was broken for a while.

 

[Daffa]

I can do some AI work, but considering there's a lot of changes still happening, I will wait it gets stable

 

[Babarella]

I can do some AI work, but considering there's a lot of changes still happening, I will wait it gets stable

Thanks. I would be very happy about it.

 

[Daffa]

Just tell me when all the works are set in stone.

 

[Babarella]

Just tell me when all the works are set in stone.

In my opinion it is finished now. It is not perfect but good enough.

 

[Daffa]

Are you sure? If you add another unit the AI will not function said new unit.

 

[Babarella]

Are you sure? If you add another unit the AI will not function said new unit.

I will check over i a last time bu I think it is finished.

 

[Daffa]

Inform me once it's done.

 

[Babarella]

Inform me once it's done.

I checked everything and it all seemed to be ready except for some mistakes i fixed. If you want you can check it too.

 

[Daffa]

Alright, I'll take a look later when I have some time. Remind me next week if I don't drop an update by then.

 

[Babarella]

Alright, I'll take a look later when I have some time. Remind me next week if I don't drop an update by then.

Okay, i´ll remind you.

 

[Babarella]

Alright, I'll take a look later when I have some time. Remind me next week if I don't drop an update by then.

Hello, I´m a happy Little reminder

 

[Daffa]

Hello, I´m a happy Little reminder

Thank you, I have done two quick runs to get a rough gist and I think I can implement some basic AI around the weekend if my body permits.

 

[Babarella]

Thank you, I have done two quick runs to get a rough gist and I think I can implement some basic AI around the weekend if my body permits.

Thanks

 

[Babarella]

Thank you, I have done two quick runs to get a rough gist and I think I can implement some basic AI around the weekend if my body permits.

Hello again, I just wanted to say that I´m in England till next saturday so I won´t respond on anything.

 

[Daffa]

Hello. Sorry for the slow update. I manage to make a somewhat functional Justlandia AI. It has some problems with the attack pattern but it's functioning properly for most part. I'll get Phillage running soon and upload the file.

 

[Babarella]

Hello. Sorry for the slow update. I manage to make a somewhat functional Justlandia AI. It has some problems with the attack pattern but it's functioning properly for most part. I'll get Phillage running soon and upload the file.

Thank you for your effort you put into my little work. I never exspected so much help.

 

[Babarella]

Hello. Sorry for the slow update. I manage to make a somewhat functional Justlandia AI. It has some problems with the attack pattern but it's functioning properly for most part. I'll get Phillage running soon and upload the file.

Can I Change something like the Food cost of a unit or would it cause Problems with your AI?

 

[Daffa]

Can I Change something like the Food cost of a unit or would it cause Problems with your AI?

I will disrupt the AI, though feel free to change and I'll adjust the AI. Haven't get the other one working yet due to academics.

 

[Babarella]

I will disrupt the AI, though feel free to change and I'll adjust the AI. Haven't get the other one working yet due to academics.

Okay, thx

 

[Daffa]

My apologies that I forgot for the other race AI till you make this update.

Anyway, do you wish for another moderation?

 

[Babarella]

My apologies that I forgot for the other race AI till you make this update.

Anyway, do you wish for another moderation?

That´s no problem if u don´t have the time to do the AI u don´t have to, but feedback is always nice.

 

[Babarella]

Justins House has Call to Arms but it's for Peasants...
Cannot understand why you've switched human with orc workers.

Haven't changed much really, sorry,
Substandart.

Hi, would you please give my map another chance, because I think I improved a lot since your last rating. Thanks.

 

[deepstrasz]

Hi, would you please give my map another chance, because I think I improved a lot since your last rating. Thanks.

1. You should try to make the hotkeys yellow or some colour to be easily read. You could even place them at the beginning of the end of a unit/buildings title/name.
2. Custom icons would not hurt.
3. Heroes could use hero glow: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
4. Fast Guns has the same icon as Long Rifles.
5. Contrary to what player might think, the Cannon Tower does not deal AoE damage certainly has no siege attack.
6. Not sure what the point is to have an anti-air tower with fast attack speed when the other one attacks both air and land units with very fast attack speed.
7. Towers themselves seem pretty tough.
8. Suck Mana doesn't mention how much it siphons. Neither do Cannon and Wave mention the damage they deal and whether they can touch air units or not. Learn about tooltips:
   Tooltip Tutorial
   Creating Good Descriptions
9. Spider Robots are pretty weak for 4 food and bombers are too strong. They can eliminate a fully upgraded main building in a matter of seconds.
10. Why is the Steam Tank on the second position of the row?
11. Lumber Harvesting mentions Peasants.
12. Same with the towers only one for the "orcs" has slow poison and the tower attacks very fast.
13. Summon Justalndians takes the place of the main building's upgrade after the Justins Castle is reached.
14. Electricity doesn't say how much damage it deals and so on.

I don't think it's ready to be out of Substandard. Most things are just generic Warcraft III material.
You are free to ask for remoderation from any other reviewer.

 

[Babarella]

1. You should try to make the hotkeys yellow or some colour to be easily read. You could even place them at the beginning of the end of a unit/buildings title/name.
2. Custom icons would not hurt.
3. Heroes could use hero glow: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
4. Fast Guns has the same icon as Long Rifles.
5. Contrary to what player might think, the Cannon Tower does not deal AoE damage certainly has no siege attack.
6. Not sure what the point is to have an anti-air tower with fast attack speed when the other one attacks both air and land units with very fast attack speed.
7. Towers themselves seem pretty tough.
8. Suck Mana doesn't mention how much it siphons. Neither do Cannon and Wave mention the damage they deal and whether they can touch air units or not. Learn about tooltips:
   Tooltip Tutorial
   Creating Good Descriptions
9. Spider Robots are pretty weak for 4 food and bombers are too strong. They can eliminate a fully upgraded main building in a matter of seconds.
10. Why is the Steam Tank on the second position of the row?
11. Lumber Harvesting mentions Peasants.
12. Same with the towers only one for the "orcs" has slow poison and the tower attacks very fast.
13. Summon Justalndians takes the place of the main building's upgrade after the Justins Castle is reached.
14. Electricity doesn't say how much damage it deals and so on.

I don't think it's ready to be out of Substandard. Most things are just generic Warcraft III material.
You are free to ask for remoderation from any other reviewer.

Thanks, I appreciate that you really looked into the map. I´ll improve it.

 

[Babarella]

My apologies that I forgot for the other race AI till you make this update.

Anyway, do you wish for another moderation?

Hi, would you be so kind and leave a Rating on my other map. Island Expedition
Gz to your Promotion btw^^

-Babarella