Randomizer 1: Bane of Bossastiil

[SebaTheLord]

i cant download the campaign because when i click the download it just gives me error that the site is unavailble

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

i cant download the campaign because when i click the download it just gives me error that the site is unavailble

Seems like an issue on side of Hive - I can't download any other map or re-upload this one. We will have to wait.

EDIT: issue solved, the files are now downloadable.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Looking forward to play and share my humble walkthrough

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

Seems like it can be downloaded now. Feel free to download and enjoy the campaign

 

[Thralldin]

Good campaign! Looking forward to Episode 2!

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

Update 2024 August 24th

Bugfixes

Classic Gyrocopter now has visible model.
Level 2 (Darkstone and Yaw / Blackrock and Roll): Boss should no longer be able to crash the game.
Level 5 (Bane's Stride / March of the Scourge): Lagging is minimized. It may still occur, but it shouldn't make the level unplayable.

 

[Keshozer]

Idea is awesome!

But it would be great to make it completely random. Like "Archimonde stole my ledger..."
"Glad you could make it Naga Myrmidon". Someone instead of Uther. etc etc.

Is it possible?
Mb make it an option for setup.

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

Idea is awesome!

But it would be great to make it completely random. Like "Archimonde stole my ledger..."
"Glad you could make it Naga Myrmidon". Someone instead of Uther. etc etc.

Is it possible?
Mb make it an option for setup.

TLDR: It is possible, but not something I am interested in doing due to technical difficulties of the process.

Main text:
Technically it is possible, but specifically this is not something I am planning to do, because there are several self-imposed limitations.

I have no idea if voicelines can be injected on the fly, and making 800+ voicelines for variations of units per file is out of current scope. And adapting only text is bad - check level 5 on HD mode, one of voicelines for caravan getting to second or third village has only partial subtitles, since I took that map from 1.31.1, where text was written in the trigger action instead of outside file for different voicelines. I know how it could be fixed, but it can potentially break the game if it is modified for multiplayer.

"Archimonde stole my ledger..."

I had played with that idea, but making non-hero bosses into heroes is risky. I try to make modified bosses completable with base version of your army, and only then add randomization mechanics.
In your example, Archimonde (if set up fully) would decimate your level 1 band. Even not fully leveled up, I think he is too dangerous (considering I'm using his NE7 combat form, which is more powerful than how he is saved in the editor).
Also, setting up enemy heroes if they are random has a ton of problems - currently it would require 130+ versions of setups for abilities. Even if I take shortcuts, this will take a ton of time, and I am not interested in investing that much time into an obviously not-really-stable feature.

Someone instead of Uther.

Since I intend for him to appear as he is in U02, he has to stay as he is throughout previous levels. His mechanics will be dependent on his abilities.

Spoiler: Potential spoiler

Lorewise there are limitations to randomization. For example, original casters won't get randomized. Mass randomization does not affect too strong- or too weak-minded (Uther and villagers, respectively).
(making people mindless is a separate process)

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Started my humble walkthrough, and it's already bizarre - on Hard difficulty...

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

Extra hotfix

All classic models now should be visible.

 

[AgentAAA]

absolutely love the idea of this! Any chance we can eventually get randomized defensive structures, too?

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

absolutely love the idea of this! Any chance we can eventually get randomized defensive structures, too?

Hopefully, in next campaign. But if you get Tiny Tower or similar item, it will be based on race of your UI

 

[sha]

Why 1.36? why not 1.31? Most people don't have reforged version

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

Why 1.36? why not 1.31? Most people don't have reforged version

1. Because someone will always ask why not 1.31, 1.30, 1.29, 1.28, 1.27, 1.26, 1.13, 1.10, 1.32, 1.33, 1.35, 1.4923, 2.718281828459045, 3.14159265... I can't satisfy everyone, so I use the tools that are easier to manage for me. Especially since working on LotC HD - changing registry every time I have to downgrade is not something I am willing to do regularly. I recently had to install a tool to change language of the editor to explain to another user some stuff, and it was a whole adventure finding how to get english UI back.
2. There are those who like HD graphics and those who hate them. And those who can't stand playing on SD, while others don't accept anything else. This is a compromise - available in both SD and HD. I originally wanted to have a mix of them in levels, but it would only be available in HD then, and that is not something I wanted. And not all HD assets can bleed through SD easily.
3. I strongly believe that if a user knows how to modify game files or get a different version, they are smart enough to hack into a modification and change it to be playable for them. Or they can politely request the modmaker to do certain big changes with fair compensation for their time and effort, especially since the mod/campaign is distributed for free. Or just pirate the game (not recommended) and use it to play the custom campaign.
4. When making a statement that there are some statistics (like most users having a certain version of game), please provide a link to source of this information as proof that the issue really exists. I have not found information on which version is most used.

 

[Nicks]

Very enjoyable, with some comedy in there.

In mission 8 and 9, Arthas doesn't get randomized. And in mission 9, muradin doesn't either. I don't know if this is intentional or not.

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

In mission 8 and 9, Arthas doesn't get randomized. And in mission 9, muradin doesn't either. I don't know if this is intentional or not.

Did they have Ankhs of Reincarnation or Resurrection ability at the end of previous levels?

 

[Nicks]

Did they have Ankhs of Reincarnation or Resurrection ability at the end of previous levels?

Yes, they were both Mannoroth

Edit: my fault, i should have read the anomalies section

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

Yes, they were both Mannoroth

Edit: my fault, i should have read the anomalies section

It's okay, I myself don't like reading walls of text
I am currently thinking how to change the system for that, but won't implement it coming months due to other obligations and having to rest from testing for a bit.

I agree that this is an issue, but I don't see it as critical.

 

[LightCrusader]

Very fun map!! I hope you make all the campaigns!

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

Very fun map!! I hope you make all the campaigns!

Thank you! That's the plan

 

[Idroose]

I thoroughly enjoyed the campaign, but the randomness is so wild that you could end up with a shade/any perma invisible unit as an enemy and softlocked a side quest or 2, so i hope that is fixed. Other than that it's so chaotically fun if you don't wanna focus on lore and such.

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

I thoroughly enjoyed the campaign, but the randomness is so wild that you could end up with a shade/any perma invisible unit as an enemy and softlocked a side quest or 2, so i hope that is fixed. Other than that it's so chaotically fun if you don't wanna focus on lore and such.

Thanks!
I'm aware of sidequests being softlocked by perma-invisible, burrowed and tranporting units, and will look into it when I'll have time.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Started my humble walkthrough, and it's already bizarre - on Hard difficulty...

Well, I have finished the walkthrough of this campaign, and what can I say @Yevhen Snizhko..

• Due to the campaign's specific nature, you need to the sheer amount of LUCK to complete it without issues on Hard difficulty. Hell, I had problems mostly on mission 2 - cause that strange blade master boss battle, and final mission - I still don't understand why and how Mal'Ganis kept resurrecting all of his mindless minions.
• That was a hilarious adventure indeed - I could not never thought what I will see next and your challenges are a funny addition to this little chaos.
• I hope that in the next campaign about Undeads, we will have fully randomized buildings and everything else. Or just more random, maybe with lore addition won't hurt.

Keep cooking, cool stuff indeed!

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

Well, I have finished the walkthrough of this campaign, and what can I say @Yevhen Snizhko..

• Due to the campaign's specific nature, you need to the sheer amount of LUCK to complete it without issues on Hard difficulty. Hell, I had problems mostly on mission 2 - cause that strange blade master boss battle, and final mission - I still don't understand why and how Mal'Ganis kept resurrecting all of his mindless minions.
• That was a hilarious adventure indeed - I could not never thought what I will see next and your challenges are a funny addition to this little chaos.
• I hope that in the next campaign about Undeads, we will have fully randomized buildings and everything else. Or just more random, maybe with lore addition won't hurt.

Keep cooking, cool stuff indeed!

Thanks for high praise!

Luck on hard required:
I agree that on hard game seems unfair. When I started this series, I only intended to make a bit of relaxing fun, and never expected to have players asking for a mode that is harder to implement, and thus is harder to complete. After all, I wrote in description that I don't recommend randomizing enemies.
I'll be honest here - in this campaign enemies were only supposed to be randomized on level 3 for lore reasons, and it is done manually there. But many players requested that feature, and it seemed to be an interesting challenge for me. Just today I had to reload four times on mission 5 on easy because I didn't handle Royal Guards well enough at start.
While I see that this setting could be twinkled a bit, I regard it as Nightmare difficulty from classic DooM - an afterthought for hardcore players, which gives more challenge, is not even remotely fair, and even the developer has trouble completing the game on it.
(Trust me, previous versions of it had enemies just stay at base after some point, and it was just 100 supply army run-through with no microing. Now player is incentivized to use abilities at least a bit).


Bosses use triggered mechanics. Here is their description step by step:
Boss Blademaster has bladestorm and 1 point in every ability per difficulty level. He creates mirror images (1 on easy, 2 on med, 3 on hard, with the core ability). With each mirror image an extra blademaster is created, and each has:

• Bladestorm
• Same level and stats as Main BM
• No items
• 1 less levels in every other ability (so 0 on easy, 1 on medium, 2 on hard)
• ((Current life and mana of Main BM)/(4 on easy, 3 on med, 2 on hard)) life and mana
• Timed life (15 sec on easy, 30 on med, 60 on hard)

These extra BMs don't create more extra BMs, but they deal full damage, which is compensated by them having less health and mana. I added random tint and transparency for eagle-eyed players to see whom they shouldn't really prioritize.

Malganis has 3 Ankhs. When he is resummoned from altar, he gets them back.
When he resurrects through Ankh (not altar), every dead unit still in the map is recreated for enemy with

• ((25 on easy, 50 on med, 100 on hard)/(number of such units))% health
• Full mana

This affects even buildings, as they technically have a decay timer. So basically anything that died in last 60 seconds will be recreated as almost dead. Even towers in your base if you bypass the attack wave. Trolling? Yes. Playable? Still yes.

Also, while I haven't completed the campaign on hard properly, I can confirm that it is possible to complete the boss fights on hard in one 75+ wave with somewhat proper ability management and completed sidequests.


Randomized everything:
Buildings: I have a table of buildings corresponding to each other, but I'm still not sold on this idea, since requirements are harder to parallelize than upgrades just from how they work in the engine. I'm sure I could do it in SC2, but haven't figured out a way for WC3 yet. Naga are pretty much the only ones who can do anything at any time. If I'll get too much trouble, I'll just limit this feature to farms and towers. (IN-PROGRESS EDIT: just found a way to implement it, so now it seems totally possible. I'll have trouble with upgrades being researched simultaneously, but that is a problem for even-more-future-me).
Workers - I am still thinking what I should do about Acolytes and Wisps using a different gathering system. Ghouls and Shredders are already implemented, and AI uses that quite nicely - Huntresses gathering wood look fun. The draenei workers will not be added in main worker roster, as they were never meant to be usable by player, and their tech tree pretty much does not exist with only 3 neutral units trainable. Thus, if player gets their buildings with Building randomization on, they will not be randomized (except maybe towers).
Inventory items randomization on mission start seems possible and may even get implemented for next campaign. Can't promise that I'll take number of stacks into account though.
Bosses and enemy heroes will not be randomized, because lore. And setting ability levels for all 134 heroes (and possibly more) is annoying. But I will try to make the mechanics more forgiving in the future. I'm not sure if I'll add more chance-based mechanics, as they tend to be not working (first version of BM fight only spawned 1 extra BM on hard during a solo hero vs hero fight with 0 items for player, which was underwhelming).
I'm also thinking about making upgrade parallelization optional just for that extra bit of hardcore (it will be shared by enemy, so they won't be that much harder).
I have no idea what else can be randomized. Mission order? Archipelago mode is a whole different thing. Specific trainable units/buildings? Perpetual randomizer is also a separate project on which someone already called dibs somewhere. Randomized costs? Not in WC3 (to anyone reading this: consider that a challenge). But I will gladly listen to any suggestions and will aggressively criticize them .

Lore - Undead campaign is a huge lore dump for players, so it will be a good place to add some Just don't expect anything too original, it will all be set within current WC lore (with appropriate modifications), maybe with a bit of SC and Diablo sprinkled on top.

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

2024 September 11th

Bugfixes

Level 5: if intro is skipped and conditions are met, Jaina will now drop items if challenge on level 4 was completed.
Tiny Mill: now has a DISBTN icon. Icon has been changed.
Grain Caravan: attached model now will have proper team color.

Balance changes

If user has selected option to randomize heroes on level start, and the hero had Reincarnation or Ankh Of Reincarnation, the hero will now be properly randomized. Note: If there were empty slots in the middle of the inventory, items will get moved up.
After serving their prison time, Space Fel Orcs are now back in creep roster at level 7.
Sidequest enemies that gave most trouble (air transports and shade-alikes) are now removed from important zones. Note: players still have to deal with Akama-likes, shadowmelded, burrowed and submerged enemies. There may be a rare occurence of all units being removed, making the task auto-completed or impossible to complete, but the odds of that are very low.
CTF flags are no longer dropped from inventory on death.

New features

Options are optional
Changed settings descriptions to better indicate expected experience changes.

 

[Yevhen Snizhko]

2024 September 13th

Bugfixes

Level 8: if intro is not skipped player should now be able to start and complete the challenge without issues.

 

[deepstrasz]

Pretty loony and memey but pretty replayable.
Approved.

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[tvporeba]

I love how insane it is