Cinematic Contest #3 - Sorrow

[bounty hunter2]

:/ I'l make it barely in time I think. I hope we will have nuff submission.

 

[Avator]

Yea, the latest posts are more negative then positive.
Somebody brighten up this place with a WIP, please.

 

[lord_ken]

Hey guys, Damn. I have to drop out of this contest because im going out for vacation for 1 week. I won't be able to submit, But i might be able to monitor the contest. Damn, bounty, remove my name form the list.

 

[Bob27]

Heres a beta version of my cinematic. Everything is done really, i've just got to finish some terraining in the final scene, fix a couple of things and it should be done.

 

[Avator]

Nice cinematic. Since it's BETA, I assume the little bugs in there are still going to be fixed, so I'll won't comment that.

The story was good, matching the theme, but it still has very big holes in it. The question everyone will have: Why? Why did his house got burned down? Why did his family die? Where did they die? In the house, before that or after that? Why did the guy had to be punished, or wasn't he punished on purpose?

These are a lot of questions, and I think you should answer that in your cinematic. It makes people focus more on the cinematic then the questions they have with it.

But I'm not a bad news bringer, so I'll also say that you've made a fine selection of music. It fits a sad theme well and you made good use of that.


All with all, I think this cinematic has a good chance of a good ranking. Even though it's the first cinematic posted so far.

 

[Eccho]

Bob, that was a pretty great cinematic
I can only agree with avator on the question why.

Nevertheless, I am glad I didn't join the contest. My plot would have been almost identical And I didn't know yours back then. The main difference would be that mine was a sorrowing women losing her family in different situations, and then suiciding off a bridge.

Anyways, so far so good

 

[Rui]

If anyone's planning to upload the map on the Map Section, please remember to mention in your description that it is a submission for the Cinematic Contest, else I might end up reviewing it sooner than I should.

I've got to express my appreciation for the help being provided to the contestants by other contestants. That is really friendly!

 

[Restor]

Ok, I watched that cinematic, I just have feeling of deja vu, (yes, cult of the damned)

I dont think it should have answer why house or whatever happened. Thats not story about causes but about consequences. (just take for example the movie Cube, they didnt explain causes, only consequences)

And it would be total nonsence to make more complicated story when duration is so limited. (thats easy rule of writing, when text is short, you cannot and must not explain everything, if you write 500page book, then you can explain whatever you like)


But I found the story little bit cliche. (i dont know, wasnt it you who made that "requiem for a dream" cinematic?)

 

[Aeroblyctos]

How many days left? 7?

I finally have all things I needed for the cinematic, but the deadline is close. I have to do Galeoth's childhood instead of Fradz's childhood(Fradz's childhood takes a lot more time than Galeoth's to make). I guess I'm not winning with this cinematic. But I can at least try!

 

[Avator]

Read the first post. It ends on april 30th and today is april 23rd. You do the math

 

[Bob27]

Nice cinematic. Since it's BETA, I assume the little bugs in there are still going to be fixed, so I'll won't comment that.

The story was good, matching the theme, but it still has very big holes in it. The question everyone will have: Why? Why did his house got burned down? Why did his family die? Where did they die? In the house, before that or after that? Why did the guy had to be punished, or wasn't he punished on purpose?

These are a lot of questions, and I think you should answer that in your cinematic. It makes people focus more on the cinematic then the questions they have with it.

But I'm not a bad news bringer, so I'll also say that you've made a fine selection of music. It fits a sad theme well and you made good use of that.


All with all, I think this cinematic has a good chance of a good ranking. Even though it's the first cinematic posted so far.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll see what I can do about some of the things you posted, but I don't really want to go into too much detail about what happened before his house was burnt down.

Ok, I watched that cinematic, I just have feeling of deja vu, (yes, cult of the damned)

I dont think it should have answer why house or whatever happened. Thats not story about causes but about consequences. (just take for example the movie Cube, they didnt explain causes, only consequences)

And it would be total nonsence to make more complicated story when duration is so limited. (thats easy rule of writing, when text is short, you cannot and must not explain everything, if you write 500page book, then you can explain whatever you like)


But I found the story little bit cliche. (i dont know, wasnt it you who made that "requiem for a dream" cinematic?)

Yea I know that the story isn't exactly the most original thing ever, but it works and goes well with the theme.

And no, it wasn't me who that Requiem For a Dream. I'm pretty sure that was ghenjis.

 

[Ebisux]

Im new to contests.. are we allowed to use the UTM?

 

[bounty hunter2]

Yes.

 

[Avator]

There are only 4 days left and got 1 BETA stage submission. Is this contest even going to be cencalled due to lack of submissions?

 

[Aeroblyctos]

I don't know but I still haven't got the models I need to make my cinematic. :<

 

[bounty hunter2]

I'l make it with the extension. It will take me about ten days. The contest won't be disgarded, check the rules.

 

[Ebisux]

I ve been working on it all day.. Im a beta it with my friends then post it

 

[bounty hunter2]

One day? Huh you should give yourself time.

And beta with friends? It's a cinematic you know.

 

[lord_ken]

Nghhh, Bounty, Could you please remove my name from the list? I won't be able to join this cinematic. I couldn't make anything for 2 weeks because of "Detours" Even with an extension. Sorry.

 

[Thrikodius]

Deadline extension?
Reminds me of the last cinematic contest.

 

[bounty hunter2]

Four days are added to the extension. If after four days there won't be any submissions, another four days shall be added.

 

[Avator]

@Thrikodius: I'm not planning to be the cause this time!

I've finally fixed the problems with my models, so let's hope I can finish them in time to complete my submission. If it will: You're all doomed to lose! <evil laugh>

 

[Thrikodius]

I've finally fixed the problems with my models, so let's hope I can finish them in time to complete my submission. If it will: You're all doomed to lose! <evil laugh>

You know that everytime I have been convinced that I would win I've ended up loosing worse than... what ever looses really badly.
My tactics for Cinematic Contest #2 where to make myself belive that I suck and that you or Bunny would win. And guess what happened.

 

[Avator]

Yea, but my cinematic will be high quality and have a very sad story! Just leave me in my good mood and we'll see the results with the submissions

 

[Avator]

Here's a WIP of my model used in my submission. The mesh is finished (unless I missed something), I'm working on the bones now

Risk of being Avatorised on high level when showing to the weak hearted. Open with caution!

 

[Thrikodius]

Now that's highpoly. They look kinda muggy.

 

[Bob27]

I've just finished my entry, you can download it Here.

I probably won't have much if any time at all to work on it for a while, so depending on how long the extension is I probably won't update it again before the contest finishes.

 

[WraithSeeker]

It's a very nice cinematic except that the duration could have been longer and it looks very similar to the Cult Of the Damned.

 

[Smiley the Dwarf]

Very well made sir Robert27, having better graphics and animations is the only way I might have been more sad by the end. The camera angles and animations are great but I think that it would be better telling the story of what happened to him, not a run through of what happened to him.

P.S. Amazing selection of music.

EDIT: Upon watching the movie again I noticed some things.

Spoilers

1st and foremost why did they burn his house and kill his family and not just hang him?
2nd you should have made a animation for the man to react when his house is burned.
3rd you should have made a falling animation for when he kills himself.

 

[Rui]

I think two months deadline are more appropriate. People are not always in the mood to work on their cinematic, and then there's school and other businesses.

 

[Zelda.Alex]

I think two months deadline are more appropriate. People are not always in the mood to work on their cinematic, and then there's school and other businesses.

Correct.

I had a question about this contest. Has there been only one submission (by Bob27) or more than that?

 

[Avator]

Just Bob27's submission. Other then that there were only a few WIPs.

 

[bounty hunter2]

Rui agreed, if anyone has arguments against, state them when you can. Until, the deadline is at the 31st of May.

Sorry for the late response, been very busy.

 

[Avator]

I don't mind. More time means better quality cinematics, so the more fun for everyone
I don't think anyone has a problem with this, because Cinematic Contests take long by nature. There has to be a lot of triggering to time everything correctly, which consumes a lot of time and testing.

 

[Thrikodius]

Maybe the deadline of the next contest should be set to 2 or 3 months.

 

[Aeroblyctos]

The problem is that some people have watched Bob's entry and now they think they can't make a better cinematic in a short time so they just give up.

 

[Thrikodius]

Thats why the original deadline should be longer. Then everyone might not submitt untill the end of the contest and people wouldnt change their cinematics to be better. And if the deadline was long, requests for extensions could be rejected if there where enough time from the start.

 

[Aeroblyctos]

Perhaps in future contests there should be a rule that you can post wips, but you can't post the cinematics until very near of deadline. That way people don't start to watch others' cinematics and then judge if their own is better. Well, ehh.

Of course this works at least for cinematics. Don't know about other contests.

 

[Bob27]

Perhaps in future contests there should be a rule that you can post wips, but you can't post the cinematics until very near of deadline. That way people don't start to watch others' cinematics and then judge if their own is better. Well, ehh.

Of course this works at least for cinematics. Don't know about other contests.

Well people usually do that anyway. However the problem in this case I posted my cinematic and then an extension was given.

 

[Zelda.Alex]

Well people usually do that anyway. However the problem in this case I posted my cinematic and then an extension was given.

Well that way you can update your cinematic now.

 

[Thrikodius]

Well people usually do that anyway. However the problem in this case I posted my cinematic and then an extension was given.

Wich is why there should be a longer deadline to start with so that extensions won't be necessary.

 

[Avator]

I don't think people would stop making their cinematic because they think they can't get better then Bob27's submission. No offence Bob27, but I think your story is too general and isn't too hard to compete with for people to worry about those things. The comments I made still count and you've fixed pretty much everything, but it's just the story that isn't very touching to me. If I were to comment on that, I'd be changing your submission into mine

So I don't think people would be scared away because of it. However, it does sound like a good idea to let people submit their final entry until near the end of the contest. Ofcourse, like said before: Extensions could screw this up. So I think the best idea would be having the host place a post when entries may be submitted. The host knows if there will or will not be an extension, so he/she can decide when the submissions may be posted.


EDIT: My previous WIP isn't the final mesh, like I said back then. I forgot to add 2 more units to the model, 3 guns, a sword and I wanted to remake the faces, because they were not working properly. This also means there won't be any eye blinking on the face, but the eyebrows and mouth will still be animated (However, this still does not mean I'm going to animate the voices, like some thought. They will only show facial expressions). A WIP of the final mesh will be posted soon.

EDIT 2: Here's a WIP on the final mesh. At least I don't think I've forgotten anything.

Final mesh WIP

 

[Thrikodius]

So I don't think people would be scared away because of it. However, it does sound like a good idea to let people submit their final entry until near the end of the contest. Ofcourse, like said before: Extensions could screw this up. So I think the best idea would be having the host place a post when entries may be submitted. The host knows if there will or will not be an extension, so he/she can decide when the submissions may be posted.

Or the contestants could simply PM the completed thing to the host, who won't show them to anyone else untill the poll is opened. WIPs could still be attatched to the thread to prove that it's yours and that it wasn't in progress before the contest started.

 

[Kingz]

You have to take in consideration several aspects when people are making something:

• laziness
• real life
• boredrom

There are other factors also but only one of the ones i stated is enough to halt a map progress, at least for me

 

[Avator]

Oh, I know! You're just lazy!
Leave this contest to the pro's

Just kidding. I think real life is a good reason not to have time for your cinematic. Everybody has school or work and some even exams, so that shouldn't suffer because of this. I can also imagine you could get bored of your work if you do it all the time and you (temporarily) want to do something else to cool down. But laziness is just something you should know to avoid when starting a contest.

 

[Kingz]

Well i got bored...
I joined because i never made a cinematic, and it seemed like a good decision...
But i more like to code a spell/system for a day/two and find something interesting again

Sorry for the offtopic posts, keeping distance from those to keep the thread clean...

 

[Gamervidsman2000]

Fuck this im so in!

 

[Kwah]

I put the pro in procrastination.

 

[Avator]

How about the L in Late?
The deadline is end of may and you really need a while for a well-made cinematic. There's very little chance you'll be able to finish a submission in time for this contest.

However, if you really want, you can make it and if it isn't done before the end of the contest, you can still upload it outside the contest. But in both cases: Make sure it's quality. There's no use either inside or outside the contest to upload/submit a quality lacking conematic.

 

[Kwah]

Erm . . . whut? >.>