Warcraft III Alternate 2 (Night Elf Campaign): Path of the Kaldorei

[Nicks]

The GOAT finally with yet another release

 

[Mentilar]

Goooooooooooooood

 

[Jarl Bob]

Oh boy
we will have fun tomorrow !

 

[AeroHydro]

Interesting! I like beat UD. mountain + chimaera + hippogryph = invincible NE
So, where is the dryad? a few annoying banshee can curse all my lovely units

And found a bug in Chapter6: When attacking the red base north east, they can control my DH or Warden, who becomes a neutral unit can be attacked by us and enemy. Then the BloodMage even level up by killing it, haha.

 

[Xetanth87]

Interesting! I like beat UD. mountain + chimaera + hippogryph = invincible NE
So, where is the dryad? a few annoying banshee can curse all my lovely units

And found a bug in Chapter6: When attacking the red base north east, they can control my DH or Warden, who becomes a neutral unit can be attacked by us and enemy. Then the BloodMage even level up by killing it, haha.

I fixed the bug of taking control of heroes in the latest version. It's only supposed to take control of normal units.

I made enemy heroes be able to level up to make the mission a bit harder.

Like the Dreadlord hero class in the original campaign, Keepers and Dryads are not usable by Arthas.
Dryads will be available in the bonus chapter, when you will get to play as Archimonde.

 

[jaina7792]

This is my review. There is not much to analyze so it will be quick.

1. History: It is the same, there is almost nothing new, small adaptations to justify the changes of race.

2. Maps: Practically everything belongs to the original campaigns.

3. Gameplay: Standard gameplay typical of the original Warcraft 3 content, nothing new.

4. Personalization: Models and icons, only visual aspect, because in the background everything is from the original.

If the idea is to indulge in nostalgia, that's fine, although I prefer original campaigns for that.

 

[Nicks]

1. History: It is the same, there is almost nothing new, small adaptations to justify the changes of race.

2. Maps: Practically everything belongs to the original campaigns.

Good job on pointing out what his already 3 released campaigns were all about.

4. Personalization: Models and icons, only visual aspect, because in the background everything is from the original.

You've probably neither read the description nor have played not even halfway through, or if you did you just "whosyourdaddy"'d all the way through judging this review

This is my review, although there is not much to say.

1. History: Nothing new, the same.

2. Maps: Nothing new, the same.

3. Gameplay: Nothing new, the same.

4. Personalization: It is the only thing that I see different, models, nothing more.

I guess another one of many forum campaigns that are just for nostalgia.

(Quote from "Invasion of Kalimdor Enhanced")
But I guess you just post this in every original campaign based edits, which confirms what I just said

 

[Xetanth87]

This is my review. There is not much to analyze so it will be quick.

1. History: It is the same, there is almost nothing new, small adaptations to justify the changes of race.

2. Maps: Practically everything belongs to the original campaigns.

3. Gameplay: Standard gameplay typical of the original Warcraft 3 content, nothing new.

4. Personalization: Models and icons, only visual aspect, because in the background everything is from the original.

If the idea is to indulge in nostalgia, that's fine, although I prefer original campaigns for that.

1. That's the point of Race-Swapped campaign. Same Story, different gameplay
2. While the map layouts are mostly the same, there are changes made to fit the new races and abilities. For example:
- Since you get Blink, there are some secret areas only accessible with Blink.
- Since Ghouls are replaced by Archers who cannot cut trees there is a new way to get to the secret items on one of the maps.
- One map contains a secret hero that will join you when you find him.
3. A lot of campaigns feature custom tech trees. Custom Campaigns using the Night Elf Tech Tree are some of the rarest. While there is nothing new about the units you get (except for one ability of one of the heroes and some neutral units), the enemy units are new. You have the Necrolytes which cast Corpse Explosion, Blightspreaders, Shadow Priests, etc. all new. Dalaran Towers are replaced by Gargoyle Spires, which attack in a very different way from normal towers. Arbiters instead of Zeppelins change the way you, as well as the enemy transport units. Getting Hippogryphs instead of Crypt Fiends and DotTs instead of Gargoyles changes the way you play the missions.
4. As I said previously, I wanted to keep the Night Elf race mostly vanilla. Future campaigns will have new units, but for this campaign I think the current tech tree fits. You can't say changes are only visual, as I have edited over 50 different lines of dialogue and made sure they sound good and reflect the new races and classes. There will also be a bonus chapter in the future.

I'd love to know how much of the campaign you've played before the review. If you haven't finished it, I think you should give it another chance.

Good job on pointing out what his already 3 released campaigns were all about.



You've probably neither read the description nor have played not even halfway through, or if you did you just "whosyourdaddy"'d all the way through judging this review


(Quote from "Invasion of Kalimdor Enhanced")
But I guess you just post this in every original campaign based edits, which confirms what I just said

Thanks!

 

[ZloyOlen]

Been playing through these recently and have to say it's really fun! The changes you have made (besides the obvious race swap) are quite nice and the gameplay feels balanced, tho the bash chance on frost ghouls is a bit... Brutal.

 

[deepstrasz]

You start with Mana Burn and can only use it on very few units.

Sylvanas' body should remain on the ground not dissipate in the conversion cinematic scene.
She has no hero glow. How to add Hero Glow without Modeling

Generally, a nice edit. Could more custom stuff and gameplay variety.

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[Nicks]

I agree, having mana burn was quite annoying.

 

[Xetanth87]

You start with Mana Burn and can only use it on very few units.

Sylvanas' body should remain on the ground not dissipate in the conversion cinematic scene.
She has no hero glow. How to add Hero Glow without Modeling

Generally, a nice edit. Could more custom stuff and gameplay variety.

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Thanks! Originally you started with Immolation, and Mana Burn is very important against bosses and necrolord units so I chose to start with mana burn since some people might avoid it and will have a harder time later if they didn't pick it. Also in the first mission, Archers' attacks replace the Death Coil's range damage. Sylvanas uses Shandris' model and since you only see her in one mission I figured it wasn't that important to get a new model. I'll change it at a later date.

 

[Xetanth87]

Added a bonus chapter based on the ending cinematic. It is unlocked by completing Chapter 8. If you played the campaign before, you can jump right into Chapter 9 by doing the following:
1) Go to Chapter 1.
2) Type -t in the chat and check for the "Chapters unlocked" message
3) Quit the map.
4) You now have all missions unlocked, including Chapter 9.
Your items from Chapter 8 have been saved since the first release of Path of the Kaldorei, so you will have them in the bonus chapter, without needing to replay Chapter 8.

 

[Ann]

Nice, the final chapter has come. Now im waiting what would you name a swapped version on skull of Guldan? Maybe book of Guldan, i guess?

 

[Blasterixx]

Just finished playing this, what can i say, i liked it!

Spoiler

especially the last chapter with the new Archimonde, that new spell that makes a sand copy of a building was awesome! Destroying the copy will eventually destroy the original building, like wow, that was pretty mind blown to me, suuuper unique concept, and it makes sense since in the original cinematic Archimonde did have that power haha, Great job with this one!

I also like how you changed even the small details and secrets like the sasquatch special meeting, that sheep with the bear and also this:

Spoiler

Also you were saying something about a secret hero? i wasn't able to find any secret hero anywhere.

 

[Xetanth87]

Just finished playing this, what can i say, i liked it!

Spoiler

especially the last chapter with the new Archimonde, that new spell that makes a sand copy of a building was awesome! Destroying the copy will eventually destroy the original building, like wow, that was pretty mind blown to me, suuuper unique concept, and it makes sense since in the original cinematic Archimonde did have that power haha, Great job with this one!

I also like how you changed even the small details and secrets like the sasquatch special meeting, that sheep with the bear and also this:

Spoiler

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Also you were saying something about a secret hero? i wasn't able to find any secret hero anywhere.

For the thing in the video, I didn't change much, just change the villagers to Zombies and the Sleep effect to the Roots one. The secret hero is on the same map as the things you mentioned (Chapter 2). It's one of the other Easter eggs, that you didn't mention from that map.

You start with Mana Burn and can only use it on very few units.

Sylvanas' body should remain on the ground not dissipate in the conversion cinematic scene.
She has no hero glow. How to add Hero Glow without Modeling

Generally, a nice edit. Could more custom stuff and gameplay variety.

Approved.

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I've realized something. One of the reasons you gave me 3 stars is because "Sylvanas' body should remain on the ground, not dissipate in the conversion cinematic scene." But that's exactly what happens in the cinematic. I was really confused at first, but after testing something, I've realized what happened. The reason she died while you played is that you most likely played using the 'whosyourdaddy' cheat, and when Arthas attacks her, she instantly dies instead of falling to the ground. Also, I've added the Hero Glow and more custom stuff since then, and the first reason you gave isn't really a reason. Since starting with Mana Burn is something I thought a lot about when starting the campaign and multiple fights are won by burning mana. Also, Demon Hunter and Archers do a lot of damage, so you have sufficient damage for mission 1. All in all, your review was mostly misunderstood nitpicks.

 

[cleavinghammer]

First level:

How do you get to the golems? None of the units can attack trees.

Personally I'd use talon druids for this mission, it looks less silly than an acolyte suddenly growing three times its size into a claw druid.

 

[Xetanth87]

First level:

How do you get to the golems? None of the units can attack trees.

Personally I'd use talon druids for this mission, it looks less silly than an acolyte suddenly growing three times its size into a claw druid.

There is a way to cut trees if you pay attention to the units you are given. I use Claw druids because they are unlocked early, the Roar animation is a good replacement for the Acolyte animation and their quotes (and that one guy turning into a sheep) fit better.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Figured it out eventually.

Hidden

tree cannibalism

Second level:

Huh, well that's more useful than a samurai panda image.

There's a bear druid hidden by trees on the south edge of the map, is he supposed to do anything when you get to him?

Slight bug where Arthas doesn't answer when selected or given orders. Might be on my end like the graphic bugs (since you say teleportation should show SFX).

 

[Xetanth87]

There's a bear druid hidden by trees on the south edge of the map, is he supposed to do anything when you get to him?

In the original map on of the Sheep is given to the Tichondrius (Red) player. This was either a joke or a mistake by one of the devs. I replaced it with a Bear as a funny way to make it seem like Tichondrius "has eyes everywhere".

Slight bug where Arthas doesn't answer when selected or given orders. Might be on my end like the graphic bugs (since you say teleportation should show SFX).

I don't know what Sound Effects (SFX) you are referring to. Does blinking not have a sound effect? You should go to the normal campaign and try to blink with Maiev. Most likely you won't hear that one either, so it's on your end. So you should probably do a clean reinstall.

Also, could you either post the reviews for all chapters at once, in the same message, or post them in their respective channels on discord?

 

[cleavinghammer]

Not sound effects, Special Effects. As in, when the Dark Summoning spell is used the big green glow shows up, but when they Blink it doesn't show anything, so it looks like they disappear instantly.


Fourth level:

Took out the blue base first, and after that Sylvanas kept respawning at the gate and trying to run back to the blue base's location without attacking (she'd cast Silence but then go back to letting herself be killed).

Fifth level

Darkwell quest: Druidr -> Druid

Oooooooookay. I was not expecting Kel'thuzad to come out looking like that.

Sixth level:

Having Blink-only areas is a nice change to the original map, but maybe have a Dagger of Escape drop at some point otherwise Kel'Thuzad is the only one who can get the hidden tomes and powerups.

Cleric tooltip: Shieldl -> Shield

ugggghhhhh Healing Wave spam. Still, at least the red base don't have it.

Seventh level:

Not a fan of the Spirit Gargoyles having Divine armor. Bad enough that they spawn so quickly, but that you can't get rid of them except by waiting for them to despawn.

Eighth level:

Loading screen: Shdowed -> Shadowed

The visual effect of a big patch of green (and healthy trees) spreading from the base is quite nice. Maybe you could have the buildings do something like an anti-blight by changing the terrain under them to thick grass when built.

Ninth level:

Archimonde's abilities have no DISBTN.

 

[Xetanth87]

Not sound effects, Special Effects. As in, when the Dark Summoning spell is used the big green glow shows up, but when they Blink it doesn't show anything, so it looks like they disappear instantly.


Fourth level:

Took out the blue base first, and after that Sylvanas kept respawning at the gate and trying to run back to the blue base's location without attacking (she'd cast Silence but then go back to letting herself be killed).

Fifth level

Darkwell quest: Druidr -> Druid

Oooooooookay. I was not expecting Kel'thuzad to come out looking like that.

Sixth level:

Having Blink-only areas is a nice change to the original map, but maybe have a Dagger of Escape drop at some point otherwise Kel'Thuzad is the only one who can get the hidden tomes and powerups.

Cleric tooltip: Shieldl -> Shield

ugggghhhhh Healing Wave spam. Still, at least the red base don't have it.

Seventh level:

Not a fan of the Spirit Gargoyles having Divine armor. Bad enough that they spawn so quickly, but that you can't get rid of them except by waiting for them to despawn.

Eighth level:

Loading screen: Shdowed -> Shadowed

The visual effect of a big patch of green (and healthy trees) spreading from the base is quite nice. Maybe you could have the buildings do something like an anti-blight by changing the terrain under them to thick grass when built.

Ninth level:

Archimonde's abilities have no DISBTN.

Thanks for the typo finds! Archimonde does have DISBTNs and Tichondrius does have Blink FX. I think there might be a problem with your installation of Wc3. There aren't too many Blink-only areas, so Arthas doesn't really need a way to get to them. Spirit Gargoyles have Divine armor instead of Invulnerability because I wanted them to draw aggro from your units. They act like the missiles for Gargoyle Spires, and they don't last too long, so they aren't that big of an issue after the Spire is destroyed. I've explained on Discord why I won't make buildings create grass.

 

[Holy Fool Sehrael]

Just as fun as the other campaigns with the same things I'd say. Now I really didn't expect Kel'Thuzad to come out like that, I assumed he'd be a druid lol Loved it though and the colours were very fitting. And while I really LOVED the shadowstrike replacement that puts enemies to sleep either by attack or the blades it kinda annoyed me a bit because sometimes you're just fighting 1 or 2 units (A move) and then by chance both get put to sleep while Kelly is running away, all the while after the sleep ends they beeline for my base Personal issue though, it's an awesome skill. I'd have loved to see some modification to the demon hunter but that's a personal issue too - I just don't like demon hunters to begin with, and their kit except Metamorphosis.

What I really figured out late was that the gargoyle spires were supposed to be towers. And when it finally clicked, because I thought "Huh? Spirit Gargoyles? Wat?" and then I paid a bit more attention. Cool though, that's an interesting take on a tower. On the other hand the mana drain towers were veeeeeeery annoying and in the mission after the sunwell when you get to the aether gate, the blue hero just kept spamming windwalk until I figured out I could just buy a gem of true sight to deal with that pest.

Anyway, good job, it was fun ^^

 

[Ravenwood Skye]

Charming once again, another fun one.

Very nice to see the extra custom stuff during this one, really stepped up the amount of changes, and it really does change the dynamic! The difference between the dynamics of the Undead and Night Elves is quite a drastic one, and especially starting with a Demon Hunter is very different to that of the Death Knight, purely offense compared to mixed utility. It gave quite the bit of challenge to the campaign, and was fun to compete against on top of the custom enemies. The victory lap with Archimonde at the end was a fun little closing to the campaign.

Keep it up! As for me, onto the next!

 

[Ѳbserver]

Great campaign, really enjoyed playing it and had an amazing time.

At the start I wouldn't have thought you'd have done this much changes, I mean just the dialogue and text changes and testing them should have taken a lot of time, now add all the custom units, structure, tech tree, terrain and so on.

Truly a well thought and great project. Keep Up the good work

P.S :

Spoiler: Question

Was the "Gem Fragment" in chapter 6 ---which is dropped by the fire mage--- supposed to be combined with another item to become something better?? like shadow orb??

 

[Xetanth87]

Great campaign, really enjoyed playing it and had an amazing time.

At the start I wouldn't have thought you'd have done this much changes, I mean just the dialogue and text changes and testing them should have taken a lot of time, now add all the custom units, structure, tech tree, terrain and so on.

Truly a well thought and great project. Keep Up the good work

P.S :

Spoiler: Question

Was the "Gem Fragment" in chapter 6 ---which is dropped by the fire mage--- supposed to be combined with another item to become something better?? like shadow orb??

Glad you enjoyed it. Be sure to check out the other campaigns in the Alternate series.

Thanks for telling me! The Gem Fragment uses the same icon as the Gem of True Seeing. I wanted to give him that gem, but chose the wrong one