Mini-Mapping Contest #13 - Ghastly Realm

[Chaosy]

@Rence Kristoff
Depends on how far I wanna take the scope.
Ideally I would want to have a larger map to try to play around more with heights. Was considering creeps undergound but realized I had no space for that.

Thanks :3 I still need to work on it though. I think I nailed the height stuff but it still looks empty.

 

[PrinceYaser]

It needs triggers to be playable. A mini mapping contests needs to be playable not just terrain itself.

For example what triggers? Just intialization?

 

[Chaosy]

Well if you wanna make a classic melee map I suppose the default triggers would be enough.
Still, I doubt you will score a lot of votes with just the default stuff though.

 

[PrinceYaser]

Well if you wanna make a classic melee map I suppose the default triggers would be enough.
Still, I doubt you will score a lot of votes with just the default stuff though.

So, should make a map with advanced triggers??

 

[IcemanBo]

You for sure don't need advanced triggers. But I guess you won't get full score for "Gameplay" if you just make a regular melee map, even the terrain looks nice.

 

[PrinceYaser]

You for sure don't need advanced triggers. But I guess you won't get full score for "Gameplay" if you just make a regular melee map, even the terrain looks nice.

So, what should I do with the triggers? Whether I should make advanced triggers or regular ones?

 

[IcemanBo]

Triggers is only a tool you can use to achieve certain game mechanics. So it's all up to you how you imagine your map to work.
Noone will force you to use advanced codes. Sometimes a few lines of simple code can do magics already.
I'm just saying that making a 100% normal map with total same gameplay as a wc3 melee map would for me personaly not get full score for inovative gameplay for example.

 

[PrinceYaser]

Triggers is only a tool you can use to achieve certain game mechanics. So it's all up to you how you imagine your map to work.
Noone will force you to use advanced codes. Sometimes a few lines of simple code can do magics already.
I'm just saying that making a 100% normal map with total same gameplay as a wc3 melee map would for me personaly not get full score for inovative gameplay for example.

Hmm, I think should work on the terrain first. I will think about the triggers later. However, I've no ideas about triggers beacause my skills on the terraining, are more than making triggers!

 

[Rence Kristoff]

I don't even know how you did that height,and for my submission it will be an altered melee map.Good luck to all of us.

 

[PrinceYaser]

I don't even know how you did that height,and for my submission it will be an altered melee map.Good luck to all of us.

What kind of height you are talking about??

 

[Rence Kristoff]

What kind of height you are talking about??

Those Mountains where the Treant Protectors or whatever Chaosy named it are placed.

 

[PrinceYaser]

I applied a few changes to my maps' terrain:

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What is your opinions, guys?

 

[Rence Kristoff]

Smoky,what kind of map is yours @PrinceYaser ?

 

[PrinceYaser]

Smoky,what kind of map is yours @PrinceYaser ?

What do you mean by?

 

[Rence Kristoff]

What do you mean by?

Foggy,but it's very nice.

 

[PrinceYaser]

Foggy,but it's very nice.

Hmm, thanks!

 

[Chaosy]

Another AI area.
This is the spawn location of the Orc units.
I left the middle area open because that's where the units will spawn.

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[KILLCIDE]

The color of the terrain and color of the trees compliment each other nicely Chaosy. Is the Zealot charge going to find itself in there?

 

[Chaosy]

I've plans for it.
Not reached the stage where I add that along with some other stuff though.

 

[Nowow]

Some early terrain draft. I have an idea for a sort of survival horror, nothing too fancy.
Hopefully my workload will allow me to finish it in time.

 

[pick-a-chew]

Ahh! So much emphasis on aesthetics! Feeling out of my depth in that department.

I'm only good at the latter half! (Story, text and tool tips). I will focus on the gameplay I think!

 

[Chaosy]

I love stories as well, but it's hard to add something resembling decent in a minimap contest.

 

[PROXY]

Might hop in on this one if school allows.

 

[Chaosy]

Changed a few bits of an old board system of mine.
This is how I am gonna introduce the player to the map information wise.

 

[Murlocologist]

My World edit knowledge pretty much starts and ends with changing unit's scale so all this to me is wow.

 

[DD_legionTN]

Here is my first WIP

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[Chaosy]

OOO. Clever. I was thinking of doing something similar but I didn't get how to make the model transparent, changing the overall opacity did not work me x)

 

[DD_legionTN]

Here is the link : Creating Ghost (Though i use magos's model editor instead of notepad)

 

[Paillan]

here's my wip

Spoiler: WIP

Know issues: maybe it's a bit too foggy.
The terrain not being flat makes the fog somewhat ugly in certain places. This is intended, partially.

 

[pick-a-chew]

a question about laziness; are we allowed to move/copy systems we've made in our other maps/unfinished works into this one? (e.g. hero selection systems and wave spawning). or does everything have to be from scratch?

 

[Rufus]

I would say it is ok.

• Your submission may not be started/made before the official launch of the contest.

This rule is there so that people don't start with their submission before the contest starts (which was not possible this time, as it started as soon as the theme poll ended). As long as you don't take a previous project, and changes the terrain or story to be fitting the theme "ghastly", you are all good.

I would like more peoples thoughts about this though, as I consider creating another part of my project (Warden) as a submission for this contest. A part of it (the systems and general UI) will stay the same, but the story, terrain and the in-game events such as puzzles, quests and battles will all be new. I would say it is kinda in the greyzone of this rule, but I think it should work. Any thoughts?

 

[Rence Kristoff]

I would like more peoples thoughts about this though, as I consider creating another part of my project (Warden) as a submission for this contest. A part of it (the systems and general UI) will stay the same, but the story, terrain and the in-game events such as puzzles, quests and battles will all be new. I would say it is kinda in the greyzone of this rule, but I think it should work. Any thoughts?

If it will be "Ghastly" and totally or not totally different, I think you should consider, double as a submission and addition maybe.

 

[pick-a-chew]

My original thinking was that if you can import a system or custom model/icon/texture into your map from the Hive's resources (and credit them), you must be able to use your own stuff. Something like warden is really just a collection of systems and UI elements that work together.

I suppose in this era of WC3 modding, people don't really do things completely from scratch anymore, but maybe that's a lie?

 

[Rufus]

It will be as different as the other maps are from each other. A little more actually, since this will be a more open map, rather than a dungeon.
And yeah, Ghastly will defenitely be the theme. I will go for cursed islands, where a powerful necromancer imprisons his foes.

 

[Rence Kristoff]

It will be as different as the other maps are from each other. A little more actually, since this will be a more open map, rather than a dungeon.
And yeah, Ghastly will definitely be the theme. I will go for cursed islands, where a powerful necromancer imprisons his foes.

The idea is awesome, totally different. Will its controls be like Warden's? You can choose not to answer, it might spoil it.


E: V Go for it,I already look forward to it.

 

[Rufus]

Yeah, as it is another warden map, the core features will be the same. Might introduce one (maybe two) new ability though.

 

[Wareditor]

I don't know if making an extension to an already existing campaign should be allowed. In my mind, the contest is about making something new and daring. Using a pre-established gameplay isn't innovative enough in the context of a mini-mapping contest. As you say it will be "another warden map" and that's a shame. Don't misunderstand me, I love your Warden maps - they are all very good - but for the contest it would be nice to play something that doesn't feel like an extension but a stand alone map.

Anyway, that's just my idea of what the contest should be and I won't mind much if you make another Warden map as I love them

 

[pick-a-chew]

Altered Melee Maps are pre-established gameplay usually... and i think they're 100% fine for this. But an extension of something already existing is maybe a bit much, could it be standalone for the purposes of the contest (and then afterwards make it a part of Warden).

Mine is coming along nicely, spent a few hours today. The terrain is still non-existent and the only indicator of "ghastly" are the Warcraft lore characters i'm using, but over half (i hope ;P) of the key triggers are in place so all i need to do now is make all the object data (wave units, hero abilities, items etc.) and triggers specific for heroes and waves. Saving terrain for last. Will probably post a WIP tomorrow when i do some more on it!

 

[Paillan]

Nobody said anything about my WIP. I guess I am not worthy

 

[Wareditor]

Nobody said anything about my WIP. I guess I am not worthy

Well it's a really small screenshot but I like where it is going. Most people forget that a good fog can make a huge difference

 

[pick-a-chew]

Nobody said anything about my WIP. I guess I am not worthy

Very spooky, reminds me of a murder map or something

 

[Sclammerz]

a question about laziness; are we allowed to move/copy systems we've made in our other maps/unfinished works into this one? (e.g. hero selection systems and wave spawning). or does everything have to be from scratch?

I think it's fine.

 

[Paillan]

thanks for the replies

 

[Rence Kristoff]

@Paillan at least you have a wip, I don't have one yet and it already looks great, its ghastly enough for me

 

[Chaosy]

Here is the link : Creating Ghost (Though i use magos's model editor instead of notepad)

So I changed the filter mode for every material and that's it?

edit: Pretty much. That is very handy.

 

[IcemanBo]

Nice techniques you guys use here! I will fail horribly on aesthetics level.^^
I made some skeletons, but have no idea how to relate, or how to start with gamepplay. :/

 

[Deleted member 219079]

I'm done with terrain attempts, this is my presumably final terrain:

1st place inc

In the middle are mountain king, mortar team, zombie and witch doctor. They are picked in draft-mode kind of manner, because they are like rock paper and scissor (3=4 ikr). Same one can be picked how many times you want.

You <re>spawn instantly at your team (2 teams). You get souls from killing someone else. You get bonus stats from collected souls. I hope death and souls are enough to fulfill theme (I rly got nothing beside this, I've never finished a map idk why).

 

[Rufus]

Well, you'll probably get a really low score in the "Theme" category, but you may succeed very well in other fields perhaps?
As long as it has something to do with ghastly realms, it should be ok.

 

[PrinceYaser]

I've applied some changes on the terrain:

WIP

 

[Rence Kristoff]

All your wips are going very nicely, I'll probably have my wip of terrain later.
Just gonna edit this post.