Warcraft III - Patch 1.31 PTR

[Ardenaso]

Hmm why is it so laggy and... the tooltip and the health/mana counter is weird? My standard WC3 works fine though

 

[deepstrasz]

Hmm why is it so laggy

When? Please be specific and do not throw vague reports.

the tooltip and the health/mana counter is weird?

Kam said they know about the issue.

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@mafe hey, you can see the new melee maps ingame and through/with the editor. They are integrated in the game files.

 

[MyPad]

It appears that the previous observations regarding the defend ability's deflection mechanics are proven right by being indistinguishable from an attack. Furthermore, it appears that the unreduced damage of the deflected projectile is 1.00, based on default stats of the defend ability.

However, it is very easy to tell if the damage dealt is from the attacker or the receiver if the ability is based on either carapace or spiked barricades. (The damage type dealt is defensive, and ignores armor)

@_Guhun_ The observation made regarding deflected attacks was correct. There is no way to determine if the projectile was deflected, at least without having to check the speed of the projectile and periodically tracking the possible location of the projectile.

 

[Trill]

Has anyone tried customizing interface already?

 

[deepstrasz]

@Ardenaso tried a 12 player melee with AI on Emerald Gardens and I get lag spikes at some second intervals.

 

[Ardenaso]

I don't know how to describe it but it just lags, even on the start menu everything's moving slowly and I even tried setting on lowest settings.

Also, when I set the textures on low, the game became black and white.

However, the standard WC3 on latest patch is working very fine as usual.

Also, how does orb of fire work, is the healer or healed that is reduced?

 

[deepstrasz]

Also, when I set the textures on low, the game became black and white.

Also, how does orb of fire work, is the healer or healed that is reduced?

The heal reduced on the affected unit.

 

[Tommi Gustafsson]

You cannot sort global variables in the Trigger Editor.
Variable Editor works well, though.

 

[deepstrasz]

global variables

What are these anyway? What's the difference? Please explain to me, anyone who knows.

 

[Wrda]

Does anyone know when this patch will go public? Pretty much my friend said he lagged quite heavily literally dropping to 25 fps when on ptr. I already lag on the current patch for no reason, like, the ping and fps is normal, but I get spikes very often on some games which before the current patch never lagged.

 

[Tommi Gustafsson]

What are these anyway? What's the difference? Please explain to me, anyone who knows.

All user generated variables are global variables. As opposed to local variables, which you can declare in JASS with the keyword local.

 

[deepstrasz]

All user generated variables are global variables. As opposed to local variables, which you can declare in JASS with the keyword local.

I'm being really stupid here. Does that affect GUI as well or just custom script?

 

[Tommi Gustafsson]

Fifth bug. On my screen (1600x900), the new Open Document window is initially always too high, so that OK and Cancel buttons are not visible.

 

[Tommi Gustafsson]

I'm being really stupid here. Does that affect GUI as well or just custom script?

Well, nothing has changed. There has always been global and local variables. The only thing what has changed now is that you can now see them in the Trigger Editor and put them into folders. But they cannot be sorted. In Dwarf Campaign, all the variables show up in a random order...

 

[deepstrasz]

Fifth bug. On my screen (1600x900), the new Open Document window is initially always too high, so that OK and Cancel buttons are not visible.

Also, every time I open up the editor, the terrain palette looks like in your image although I stretched it lower than that each time. The editor should save that state.

 

[Ardenaso]

I didn't see that; but still the PTR still lags

 

[Tommi Gustafsson]

Fourth bug. In GnollCampaign-C1R6-build1, if you open Campaign Editor -> Custom Data -> Abilities -> Custom Abilities -> Earthquake (Gnoll Supreme Warden) and try to click on Tooltip - Learn - Extended, the World Editor Crashes. Pictures:

View attachment 321602

View attachment 321603

Actually, clicking ANY TEXT FIELD in the Campaign Editor -> Custom Data, where the new Tooltip Editor should show up, crashes the editor. Obiviously only a problem for campaigns.

EDIT: No, the problem seems to be only with the following:
Text - Tooltip - Extended
on all objects, such as units, items, abilities, etc.

 

[deepstrasz]

I didn't see that; but still the PTR still lags

Just tried another 12 player AI match on Icecrown Glacier but ran the .exe from the x86 folder as opposed to the x86_64 one as before.

EDIT: however, lag appears when heroes spawn or finish reviving.

EDIT2: redid a test on Emerald Gardens on the x86_64 .exe and stuff is running smooth. I guess the lag comes from heroes respawning under warpten. FPS interval 58-60. If I deactivate Vsync I get about 120 FPS.

 

[_Guhun_]

It appears that the previous observations regarding the defend ability's deflection mechanics are proven right by being indistinguishable from an attack. Furthermore, it appears that the unreduced damage of the deflected projectile is 1.00, based on default stats of the defend ability.

However, it is very easy to tell if the damage dealt is from the attacker or the receiver if the ability is based on either carapace or spiked barricades. (The damage type dealt is defensive, and ignores armor)

@_Guhun_ The observation made regarding deflected attacks was correct. There is no way to determine if the projectile was deflected, at least without having to check the speed of the projectile and periodically tracking the possible location of the projectile.

Sorry if it's too much to ask, but I can't use the PTR atm. Have you tested if Thorns aura also does defensive damage?

 

[Ardenaso]

Screw it, I'll just wait for a hotfixed PTR or the actual release

 

[deepstrasz]

Screw it, I'll just wait for a hotfixed PTR or the actual release

Warcraft III - Patch 1.31 PTR
Re-read. Now it's working well for some reason.

 

[lolreported]

This patch is great, I can't wait to test some stuff myself this weekend.




Oh my.... does this means one can make WASD movement system? This is awsome

Yeah! I tried it and made a short demo. I'm not the best with JASS-script, but it seems to work without any issues.

WASD Movement

globals
    unit array WASD_PlayerUnit

    boolean array WASD_IsKeyDown_W
    boolean array WASD_IsKeyDown_A
    boolean array WASD_IsKeyDown_S
    boolean array WASD_IsKeyDown_D

    constant oskeytype WASD_KEY_W = ConvertOsKeyType($57)
    constant oskeytype WASD_KEY_A = ConvertOsKeyType($41)
    constant oskeytype WASD_KEY_S = ConvertOsKeyType($53)
    constant oskeytype WASD_KEY_D = ConvertOsKeyType($44)

    constant real WASD_MoveDistance = 96.0

endglobals

function PlayerMoveEvent_Actions takes nothing returns nothing
    local integer i = 0
    local location loc1 = null
    local location loc2 = null
    loop
    exitwhen(i > 24)
        if (WASD_IsKeyDown_W[i]) then
            set loc1 = Location(GetUnitX(WASD_PlayerUnit[i]), GetUnitY(WASD_PlayerUnit[i]))
            set loc2 = PolarProjectionBJ(loc1, WASD_MoveDistance, 90.0)
            call IssuePointOrder( WASD_PlayerUnit[i], "move", GetLocationX(loc2), GetLocationY(loc2) )
            call RemoveLocation(loc1)
            call RemoveLocation(loc2)

        elseif (WASD_IsKeyDown_S[i]) then
            set loc1 = Location(GetUnitX(WASD_PlayerUnit[i]), GetUnitY(WASD_PlayerUnit[i]))
            set loc2 = PolarProjectionBJ(loc1, WASD_MoveDistance, 270.0)
            call IssuePointOrder( WASD_PlayerUnit[i], "move", GetLocationX(loc2), GetLocationY(loc2) )
            call RemoveLocation(loc1)
            call RemoveLocation(loc2)

        elseif (WASD_IsKeyDown_A[i]) then
            set loc1 = Location(GetUnitX(WASD_PlayerUnit[i]), GetUnitY(WASD_PlayerUnit[i]))
            set loc2 = PolarProjectionBJ(loc1, WASD_MoveDistance, 180.0)
            call IssuePointOrder( WASD_PlayerUnit[i], "move", GetLocationX(loc2), GetLocationY(loc2) )
            call RemoveLocation(loc1)
            call RemoveLocation(loc2)

        elseif (WASD_IsKeyDown_D[i]) then
            set loc1 = Location(GetUnitX(WASD_PlayerUnit[i]), GetUnitY(WASD_PlayerUnit[i]))
            set loc2 = PolarProjectionBJ(loc1, WASD_MoveDistance, 0.0)
            call IssuePointOrder( WASD_PlayerUnit[i], "move", GetLocationX(loc2), GetLocationY(loc2) )
            call RemoveLocation(loc1)
            call RemoveLocation(loc2)
        endif

    set i = i + 1
    endloop

    set loc1 = null
    set loc2 = null
endfunction

function PlayerKeyEvent_Actions takes nothing returns nothing
    local oskeytype osKeyPressed = BlzGetTriggerPlayerKey() // What key was pressed or released?
    local boolean isKeyDown = BlzGetTriggerPlayerIsKeyDown() // Was the event key pressed or released?
  
    //Not used here, but this way we can detect the meta-key.
    //local integer metaKeyPressed = BlzGetTriggerPlayerMetaKey()


    if (osKeyPressed == WASD_KEY_W) then
        set WASD_IsKeyDown_W[GetPlayerId(GetTriggerPlayer())] = isKeyDown

    elseif (osKeyPressed == WASD_KEY_A) then
        set WASD_IsKeyDown_A[GetPlayerId(GetTriggerPlayer())] = isKeyDown

    elseif (osKeyPressed == WASD_KEY_S) then
        set WASD_IsKeyDown_S[GetPlayerId(GetTriggerPlayer())] = isKeyDown

    elseif (osKeyPressed == WASD_KEY_D) then
        set WASD_IsKeyDown_D[GetPlayerId(GetTriggerPlayer())] = isKeyDown

    endif

endfunction

//===========================================================================
function InitTrig_WASD_PlayerKeyEvent takes nothing returns nothing
    local trigger t = CreateTrigger(  )
    local integer i = 0

    //takes trigger whichTrigger, player whichPlayer, oskeytype key, integer metaKey, boolean keyDown returns event

    /* metaKey = In order to fire the event the player must press down another key at the same time,
       0 = No additional key required.
       1 = Shift-key required
       2 = Ctrl-key required
       3 = ????
       4 = Alt-key required
       5+ = ????

    */

    loop
    exitwhen(i > 24)
        call BlzTriggerRegisterPlayerKeyEvent( t, Player(i), WASD_KEY_W, 0, true ) // Presses the "W"-key.
        call BlzTriggerRegisterPlayerKeyEvent( t, Player(i), WASD_KEY_W, 0, false )// Releases the "W"-key.

        call BlzTriggerRegisterPlayerKeyEvent( t, Player(i), WASD_KEY_A, 0, true ) // Presses the "A"-key.
        call BlzTriggerRegisterPlayerKeyEvent( t, Player(i), WASD_KEY_A, 0, false )// Releases the "A"-key.

        call BlzTriggerRegisterPlayerKeyEvent( t, Player(i), WASD_KEY_S, 0, true ) // Presses the "S"-key.
        call BlzTriggerRegisterPlayerKeyEvent( t, Player(i), WASD_KEY_S, 0, false )// Releases the "S"-key.

        call BlzTriggerRegisterPlayerKeyEvent( t, Player(i), WASD_KEY_D, 0, true ) // Presses the "D"-key.
        call BlzTriggerRegisterPlayerKeyEvent( t, Player(i), WASD_KEY_D, 0, false )// Releases the "D"-key.
    set i = i + 1
    endloop

    call TriggerAddAction( t, function PlayerKeyEvent_Actions )

    set t = null

    set t = CreateTrigger(  )
    call TriggerRegisterTimerEvent( t, 0.03, true )
    call TriggerAddAction( t, function PlayerMoveEvent_Actions )

endfunction

Uploaded the map file (requires Patch 1.31 PTR to open)

 

[Dr Super Good]

Link please? dunno about JASS2 but is that different from Jass and not built-in wc3?

It is the new input event which can register any key. The function is available with JASS2 (JASS) as are all functions. Lua uses these as well via JASS2Lua. Hence with exception of Lua native language features, JASS2 supports everything Lua does as far as interfacing with Warcraft III.

JASS2 is Warcraft III JASS. JASS1 is StarCraft (1) JASS. What we call JASS in Warcraft III is technically JASS2 as far as the developers are concerned.

but It doesn't matter of my computer...
The problem now is comparing 1.31&1.30 on the same computer

It does matter what hardware you are using because older hardware may perform worse with modern builds. This is because modern compilers emit code optimized for modern processors. That same code may perform very poorly on older processors.

However since you are using an I7 4770k this is less likely to be an issue since that processor is less than 6 years old.

Have you tried testing the performance of D3D9 mode? Or of OpenGL? Or of the x86 (not x86-64) build?

The other explanation is that the change from fixed function pipeline to using programable shaders include more difference than are currently visible. Specifically it might already include part of the Reforged graphic pipeline despite currently being unable to take advantage of it. Hence the GPU has to work harder for little visual gains.

I'm pretty positive performance has been regressing in the last few patches. Experienced this myself as well as other people. Same map, different wc3 versions, newer ones lag much more.

Resource requirements increased due to the new buff stacking system I guess. In maps with a lot of buffs there could possibly be a measurable difference.

I don't know how to describe it but it just lags, even on the start menu everything's moving slowly and I even tried setting on lowest settings.

Please post what hardware you are using. Have you tried the x86 (not x86-64) build? Or running the D3D9 backend? Or even OpenGL?

 

[deepstrasz]

Alright did a test map (attached) and when there are 50 archers per (25) player (including neutral hostile), FPS(+VSync) is 60 if there are 100 archers per player, FPS drops to 15.

Note that the map is the smallest and has no doodads or tile or terrain height variation. The only trigger in it is the one to spawn archers. Just write test in chat.

 

[Quantum_Menace]

I suppose with the help of JNGP (for finding out the rawcode equivalent of the hotkeys) and the ConvertAbilityStringField native (not sure if prefixed with Blz), you can introduce a desired constant for hotkey manipulation.

I tried to get the hotkey value with the get ability field functions from ConvertAbilityStringField('ahky') and ConvertAbilityIntegerField('ahky') but neither appears to work.

Can anyone verify if ability field editing applies to that ability map-wide for everyone, or it can be done on per-unit basis?

It's per unit, I tried modifying the range on one Crypt Lord's Impale and it did not affect the other Crypt Lord.


I just hope the update doesn't make Castle Fight lag terribly, it already suffers from unpredictable bugs that weren't there before the recent patches.

 

[RPG_F]

Or of the x86 (not x86-64) build?

is x86-64
the SC2 Top picture quality's fps is 180+ in my computer

The other explanation is that the change from fixed function pipeline to using programable shaders include more difference than are currently visible. Specifically it might already include part of the Reforged graphic pipeline despite currently being unable to take advantage of it. Hence the GPU has to work harder for little visual gains.

For ReForged ? What do the old WC3(1.31 the The original player) do?

 

[lolreported]

Alright did a test map (attached) and when there are 50 archers per (25) player (including neutral hostile), FPS(+VSync) is 60 if there are 100 archers per player, FPS drops to 15.

Note that the map is the smallest and has no doodads or tile or terrain height variation. The only trigger in it is the one to spawn archers. Just write test in chat.

I get the same results, with both x86 and x86_64 builds (60 fps to ~15) (V-sync off).

I made an identical map in current non-ptr patch and had 70 - 130 fps in the same situation.

Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 17134)
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz (12 CPUs), ~3.7GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080

I also noticed the fps is capped@60 in Patch 1.31 PTR, why?


Not sure if known or not, but I get a huge lag-spike for 2-3 seconds when opening the "Options"-window and also when I click the "Video"-button. Might be a bug.

 

[Tasyen]

Great new features.
Damage detection should now be easy peasy.

Have you tested if Thorns aura also does defensive damage?

thorns aura dealt plant damage, in my test.

 

[Trill]

It's per unit, I tried modifying the range on one Crypt Lord's Impale and it did not affect the other Crypt Lord.

Thanks a lot. Jass natives look weird to my untrained eye, thought it was map-wide.
Finally, finally, FINALLY, I can make abilities deal variable damage without super-difficult shenanigans or damage detection.

 

[Prometheus3375]

Is the site mentioned by TriggerHappy in the head only for suggestions? Can I leave a bugreport there?

 

[deepstrasz]

Is the site React App only for suggestions? Can I leave a bugreport there?

What's with that site anyway? I mean we have the stuff here on Hiveworkshop and on Battle.net.
Also, look at some of the crap there:

 

[Prometheus3375]

i thought that the new damage native events would become a Generic Unit Event, but it is not. So basically all the DDS'es need to be revised and re-written?

You can register damage event for any unit via executing next code.

call TriggerRegisterAnyUnitEventBJ(trig, EVENT_PLAYER_UNIT_DAMAGED)

They did not add new damage natives to blizzard.j, so for now they are not present in GUI.

 

[Panda]

I wish they added more items or unique units in the game instead of tweaking the original ones, either just for the editor use or added towards melee maps, its still nice and all but it would be nice to have some new faces on the game. I also know the new game is being created but its just a thought. An example would be a nice hero for each race? I know it may mess up the lore of everything but would be nice to have IMO.

 

[Prometheus3375]

What's with that site anyway? I mean we have the stuff here on Hiveworkshop and on Battle.net.

I edited my post, that site was mentioned in the head of this thread. It is said that site is for feedback. I just want to ensure that I will post bugreport in the most appropriate place.

 

[Trill]

I wish they added more items or unique units in the game instead of tweaking the original ones, either just for the editor use or added towards melee maps, its still nice and all but it would be nice to have some new faces on the game. I also know the new game is being created but its just a thought. An example would be a nice hero for each race? I know it may mess up the lore of everything but would be nice to have IMO.

There's plenty of cut heroes that existed in Alpha/Beta.
Archdruid for Night Elves, Crusader or Ranger for Humans, Warlord for Orcs, original Dreadlord (renamed, obviously) or original Abomination (also renamed and with a fancier model) for Undead.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Gameplay Review

 

[Dr Super Good]

For ReForged ? What do the old WC3(1.31 the The original player) do?

Not play since you need D3D11 and x86-64 anyway. They will likely drop x86 (32bit) and D3D9 support later as they did with all their other games already.

I also noticed the fps is capped@60 in Patch 1.31 PTR, why?

Likely capped to the desktop refresh rate?

They might have extra debugging enabled for the PTR which lowers performance.

 

[BloodSoul]

native BlzSetUnitStringField       takes unit whichUnit, unitstringfield whichField, string value returns boolean

- can a unit's MODEL be changed with this? Icon?

No. According to common.j you can only change their name, proper name, ground texture and shadow image.

    type unitstringfield                extends handle

    constant unitstringfield UNIT_SF_NAME                   = ConvertUnitStringField('unam')
    constant unitstringfield UNIT_SF_PROPER_NAMES           = ConvertUnitStringField('upro')
    constant unitstringfield UNIT_SF_GROUND_TEXTURE         = ConvertUnitStringField('uubs')
    constant unitstringfield UNIT_SF_SHADOW_IMAGE_UNIT      = ConvertUnitStringField('ushu')

I myself even attempted to force and change the unit model file/icon by doing this ConvertUnitStringField('umdl') or ConvertUnitStringField('uico'), but it was all in vain.

I also noticed the fps is capped@60 in Patch 1.31 PTR, why?

Sounds like something else is capping it at 60 for your pc.

 

[n00b]

oh shit BRUH patch seems pretty great, but where in the fuck is there actual documentation on how to use the UI functions

 

[deepstrasz]

Sounds like something else is capping it at 60 for your pc.

spam, don't kill me pls

 

[lolreported]

Likely capped to the desktop refresh rate?

Sounds like something else is capping it at 60 for your pc.

View attachment 321679

I've got no issues with the current non-ptr version, so not sure what the problem could be?

Patch 1.31 PTR Video settings:


Patch 1.30 current version (~144fps):


Screen settings:

Primary monitor set to 144 Hz.

 

[deepstrasz]

I've got no issues with the current non-ptr version, so not sure what the problem could be?

I get lower FPS if I activate Vsync with the same Hz.

 

[lolreported]

I get lower FPS if I activate Vsync with the same Hz.

No difference for me, except if I have V-sync turned on the fps caps at 60.0 as intended, but the overall fps is the same.

 

[deepstrasz]

No difference for me, except if I have V-sync turned on the fps caps at 60.0 as intended, but the overall fps is the same.

Yeah. Exactly. It's 60 with Vsync on. So should we use Vsync or not?

 

[lolreported]

Yeah. Exactly. It's 60 with Vsync on. So should we use Vsync or not?

I wouldn't recommend it unless you experience heavy screen tearing from fps drops and that bothers you, at the cost of potential input lag.

 

[Dr Super Good]

I've got no issues with the current non-ptr version, so not sure what the problem could be?

Does the current Warcraft III run at 144Hz with unique, interpolated frames? Or is it duplicating frames?

Also I notice that you have two displays, one of which is 60Hz. Try unplugging that and see if a 144Hz video mode is displayed, after confirming the desktop is running at 144Hz. If running in any sort of screen sharing mode the desktop may be limited to 60Hz, the slower of the two displays.

 

[loktar]

What kind of benefits does LUA offer over vJASS? Aside from syntax.
I've never used LUA.

 

[wrsuperboy]

I also noticed the fps is capped@60 in Patch 1.31 PTR, why?

Try window mode and turn vsync off.

 

[MyPad]

A bit of an oddity with groups now (PTR) is that FirstOfGroup does not appear to work (in my tests).

Amendment:

Systematic errors were made while testing, which led to this false observation. Nothing to worry about.

Systematic error:
- It was assumed that the FirstOfGroup native did not work because of the inability to remove units (that are already removed) from the group, which was not taken into consideration.

Previous message has been updated to reflect this amendment.

 

[Ardenaso]

I'm not very smart when it comes to hardware but here's how I saw it:

x86_64 crashed when I tried to open a melee map, x86 is just laggy as hell