Heroes: War for Domination v1.50

[deepstrasz]

There are two New World quests in the Quest Log. The first one has an issue with its requirements, visually not being placed in the box.
Also, the leaderboard doesn't show everything. There's a visual glitch there too. When I reached 497 kills the board showed correctly. Afterwards it showed badly again.
You could try adding custom icons for custom spells, items etc.
There are more Medivhs?
You could try not spamming the usual Warcraft units.
Some things like the Mask of Death and God of the Sky have the same icon.

All in all a nice old-school map with custom content and more than 16 players.

Approved.

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[Paillan]

Moderated on author's requests:
To put it simply: I didn't liked the map. It's not the fact that stats are too overboard (which is more of a personal taste, I prefer low stat units) or the fact that most heros have 1 or two useless spells (such as priests wich has normal heal and healing wave, being the second leagues more powerfull, or archangel's passive, or bloodknight bladestorm).
My main issue with the map is the lack of info. The first time I played it I didn't understood that you HAD to destroy the undead base. The second time, I got to destroy the main building and defeat the dreadlord, but not destroy the whole base. Both times, I lost.
Overall It's very hard to last hit and gain resources, therefore it's hard to play, even in easy difficulty.
I also felt like prices were too high, but that has probably to do with the fact that I almost got no resources.

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[Avatars Lord]

There are two New World quests in the Quest Log. The first one has an issue with its requirements, visually not being placed in the box.
Also, the leaderboard doesn't show everything. There's a visual glitch there too. When I reached 497 kills the board showed correctly. Afterward, it showed badly again.
You could try adding custom icons for custom spells, items etc.
There are more Medivhs?
You could try not spamming the usual Warcraft units.
Some things like the Mask of Death and God of the Sky have the same icon.

I know that the leaderboard glitch is because of the new patch. If it's not, please show me how to fix it.
I want to but I am afraid of the size of the map. Don't want to get it too big.
Can it not be more Medivhs?
Well, technically they are not the same. One is "Shrine" icon and the other is "Mask of Death" icon^^. But point taken.

Moderated on author's requests:
To put it simply: I didn't like the map. It's not the fact that stats are too overboard (which is more of a personal taste, I prefer low stat units) or the fact that most heroes have 1 or two useless spells (such as priests which has normal heal and healing wave, being the second leagues more powerful, or archangel's passive, or blood knight's bladestorm).
My main issue with the map is the lack of info. The first time I played it I didn't understand that you HAD to destroy the undead base. The second time, I got to destroy the main building and defeat the Dreadlord, but not destroy the whole base. Both times, I lost.
Overall It's very hard to last hit and gain resources, therefore it's hard to play, even in easy difficulty.
I also felt like prices were too high, but that has probably to do with the fact that I almost got no resources.

Heal and Healing wave is useless for the healer? I don't understand. I don't think Archangel's passive is useless. It is strong against big dudes.
"You have got 15 min to destroy the base of the evil before the Unstoppable Wave comes!"
"You can't handle the wave so be hurry"
I thought these sentences gave enough info for the Mission. Guess I was wrong. Will add a few sentences that should clear it up.
It is very hard to play it single I must say but you should've got gold because of the global bounty.

I want clear things up in case someone got it wrong. I am satisfied with deepstrasz's review but I wanted to have more criticism so I could improve the map even more thus contacting Paillan for his moderation. Thank you both for your time. I appreciate it. ^^

 

[Paillan]

I mean it doesn't make much sense for a hero to have two healing spells, one being much stronger than the other.
And overall because of high creep health, spell damage is pretty much useless, any offensive spells are effectively a way to reduce your dps.

 

[draguslayer]

Somehow i found place of ring from secret quest, but i can't pickup it. I can select it with frame, but can't find spot, where i can RMB it.

 

[Avatars Lord]

Somehow i found place of ring from secret quest, but I can't pick up it. I can select it with frame, but can't find spot, where i can RMB it.

You should be able to pick it up by pressing the red model of it. It is hard to pick it up but not impossible. If you still can't write "-cam 500" so the item will get bigger and be easier to be picked up.

 

[draguslayer]

You should be able to pick it up by pressing the red model of it. It is hard to pick it up but not impossible. If you still can't write "-cam 500" so the item will get bigger and be easier to be picked up.

somehow - no red model there in my variant. Just a shade, no matter how close my cam as. Looks like it fall under textures?

 

[Avatars Lord]

Looks like it fall under textures?

Weird. Thanks for your feedback. Will look into it.^^

 

[furyuS]

Like this map! I Liked the 8Heroes more, however

 

[Avatars Lord]

Like this map! I Liked the 8Heroes more, however

Thank you for playing! I will work on it to make it better than 8 heroes^^!

 

[Avatars Lord]

Sorry for the multiple updates. Had a problem with the tables and shit. ( I still have...)
Edit: okay I've resolved the issues.

 

[Deleted member 264867]

I don't like the fact that there are so many Heroes with identical spells. I'm not a big fan of using so many models and even custom healtbar. Spell descriptions go from barely acceptable to awful.
I like the map concept and the style, there are a lot of nice things all over, but it could have been so much better imho.

 

[Avatars Lord]

I don't like the fact that there are so many Heroes with identical spells. I'm not a big fan of using so many models and even custom healtbar. Spell descriptions go from barely acceptable to awful.
I like the map concept and the style, there are a lot of nice things all over, but it could have been so much better imho.

Please give examples of the identical spells and the descriptions that are barely acceptable to awful.
If it could've been so much better; can you please give suggestions towards that goal?

 

[Deleted member 264867]

Please give examples of the identical spells and the descriptions that are barely acceptable to awful.
If it could've been so much better; can you please give suggestions towards that goal?

First of all, this is just my opinion and nothing could be further from "bestwaytodoamapever".

There are too many summoning abilities, most of them as ultimates. Summon Dreadlors, summon wolves, summon skeleton etc...

"As the souls go, they are moving The Tomb King" is an example, but in general the grammar is poor.
I'm not a native english speaker, and I make a lot of mistakes too, but you should be more careful if you want to publish a map.

I don't know if this was intendeed but you can "-repick" in every moment of the game, doesn't matter if your hero is dead, or the PvP arena is on etc.
As I said I like the work in general, but I'd like to see more complex Heroes with their own mechanics.

 

[Avatars Lord]

First of all, this is just my opinion and nothing could be further from "bestwaytodoamapever".

There are too many summoning abilities, most of them as ultimates. Summon Dreadlors, summon wolves, summon skeleton etc...

"As the souls go, they are moving The Tomb King" is an example, but in general the grammar is poor.
I'm not a native english speaker, and I make a lot of mistakes too, but you should be more careful if you want to publish a map.

I don't know if this was intendeed but you can "-repick" in every moment of the game, doesn't matter if your hero is dead, or the PvP arena is on etc.
As I said I like the work in general, but I'd like to see more complex Heroes with their own mechanics.

So you are saying that the summoning abilities are identical because they summon?
There are 12 total summoning spells (5 ultimate,6 non-ultimate) and the total of spells are 132. Doesn't seem too much. Although, half of them being an ultimate may be not so fine. (Summon skeleton is locust swarm which is not really a summoning spell due to players not being able to control them)

That description is poorly written, agreed. Because I've Copy-Pasted the heroes from 8 Heroes which I've made when I was younger, some of the descriptions lack. I try to fix them whenever I come across. Thanks.

Repick can be indeed used whenever a player wants to. If using it in some situations causes bugs, please let me know for I haven't seen any.
I rework the heroes from time to time to create more diverse styles.
Thanks for your input. Have a nice day.

 

[Fenris'ar]

Very good map, it is seen that it is created with a lot of effort.

 

[Blasterixx]

Quick question: What do we do with the cheese item that drops from the flying sheep?

 

[Avatars Lord]

Quick question: What do we do with the cheese item that drops from the flying sheep?

if you gather all of the three cheeses it will combine into ultimate cheese which is gives you permanent agi str int with cooldown ofcourse (Basically free unlimited tome) if you happen to catch it early or mid game your heroes can highly benefit it from it

 

[Blasterixx]

if you gather all of the three cheeses it will combine into ultimate cheese which is gives you permanent agi str int with cooldown ofcourse (Basically free unlimited tome) if you happen to catch it early or mid game your heroes can highly benefit it from it

Oh ok, it would have been nice if the tip in game said that there were actually 3 in total, thanks for the fast answer.

Btw just tried to solo the map, and my god the last boss utterly destroyed all my efforts every time i got to the end game , he is so overpowered
Like i don't mind the op spells, but i think his regen on top of that is a bit too much in my opinion, and another thing i noticed is the fact that he isn't affected by the modes of the game (easy,normal,hard,etc.), his stats always stay the same, is that intended? because that boss doesn't seem like a normal "easy" mode end game boss to be honest


Another think that i found annoying was the fact that i was always on a timer the whole game, because of that its almost impossible to do the other side quests on the map + the extra stress as well, i suggest either removing the second timer or increasing both timers by 10 minutes.

 

[Avatars Lord]

Oh ok, it would have been nice if the tip in game said that there were actually 3 in total, thanks for the fast answer.

Btw just tried to solo the map, and my god the last boss utterly destroyed all my efforts every time i got to the end game , he is so overpowered
Like i don't mind the op spells, but i think his regen on top of that is a bit too much in my opinion, and another thing i noticed is the fact that he isn't affected by the modes of the game (easy,normal,hard,etc.), his stats always stay the same, is that intended? because that boss doesn't seem like a normal "easy" mode end game boss to be honest


Another think that i found annoying was the fact that i was always on a timer the whole game, because of that its almost impossible to do the other side quests on the map + the extra stress as well, i suggest either removing the second timer or increasing both timers by 10 minutes.

turtle is stronk
his attributes don't scale but his health and attack damage does. Nerfing his regen and armor is a good idea.

There wasn't an end game timer but then I decided to add it because people think it's over or some sort, idk? Also, the timer that starts after you destroy the undead base use to be much longer, it was shortened for the same reason. Thinking now, I might revert them.