Warcraft 3 Re-Reforged: Exodus of the Horde

[tulee]

Would it not be better to put your energy into making a campaign that is not based on the original blizzard campaigns? Not trying to discourage you, but new campaigns often can bring more value to players than a revisioning of a campaign most people have already played.

 

[InsaneMonster]

Would it not be better to put your energy into making a campaign that is not based on the original blizzard campaigns? Not trying to discourage you, but new campaigns often can bring more value to players than a revisioning of a campaign most people have already played.

Actually I'm just trying to reforge it for good...

 

[A]mun]

Nicely done, i just played the prologue some days ago.

btw, when razing creep buildings at night, they will:
a) not respond to the destruction of their buildings
b) still spawn additional creeps, even-though you destroyed said buildings

here are some impressions (i'm playing with shadows off - much more fps in unit heavy mp-maps)

 

[InsaneMonster]

Nicely done, i just played the prologue some days ago.

Thanks!

btw, when razing creep buildings at night, they will:
a) not respond to the destruction of their buildings
b) still spawn additional creeps, even-though you destroyed said buildings

Good catch! I didn't think of that. Will fix it soon and update accordingly.

here are some impressions (i'm playing with shadows off - much more fps in unit heavy mp-maps)

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Was the frame rate good? I added a ton of doddoad but on my rig I had no problem whatsoever.

 

[tulee]

Actually I'm just trying to reforge it for good...

Maybe you might try to "reforged it for good", but in the end how can you avoid doing exactly what blizzard did with Reforged?

Blizzard originally promised reforged to be something with a complete overhaul of the entire design of maps (such as the Stratholme demo), as well as the story changing based on WoW storyline (something which we did not even see in the demo, it was supposed to be that the entire dialogues would be changed).

Based on the screenshots you provided, you are not changing to the terrain to the extent the Stratholme mission was redesigned in, nor are you changing the story, since that would require voice acting.

It would appear you are "reforging" the campaign in the same way blizzard did--- i.e the way that was not promised, with just an updated campaign. Blizzard already did this. It did update cutscenes and cinematics in small ways. You are just following in its footsteps. If you are really serious about a Reforging the campaigns, then maybe it should be based on the way blizzard originally promised the campaign would be?

 

[InsaneMonster]

Maybe you might try to "reforged it for good", but in the end how can you avoid doing exactly what blizzard did with Reforged?

Blizzard originally promised reforged to be something with a complete overhaul of the entire design of maps (such as the Stratholme demo), as well as the story changing based on WoW storyline (something which we did not even see in the demo, it was supposed to be that the entire dialogues would be changed).

Based on the screenshots you provided, you are not changing to the terrain to the extent the Stratholme mission was redesigned in, nor are you changing the story, since that would require voice acting.

It would appear you are "reforging" the campaign in the same way blizzard did--- i.e the way that was not promised, with just an updated campaign. Blizzard already did this. It did update cutscenes and cinematics in small ways. You are just following in its footsteps.
If you are really serious about a Reforging the campaigns, then maybe it should be based on the way blizzard originally promised the campaign would be?

I'm mostly talking about cinematics, terrain quality and difficulties rebalance. The original idea is of course not feasibile with the resource at my disposal. I've not said: I'll do what Blizzard promised at Blizzcon 2018, I just can't.

I've just done what I believe they should have done to make those amazing assets justice... I'm actually trying to make cinematics really more... cinematics. There are loads of changes, since they are redone from scratch to be similar to the original The Culling Blizzcon 2018 demo cinematics.

Reforged cinematics are so bad. While classic graphics was good for that kind of simplistic shots and animations, new reforged graphics is not. That's one big part of what I did here.

Let's say it this way: I just would like to reforge the game (or parts of it, depends on the time I have) the way I like it to be reforged. I cannot change the story. I can however redesign some missions, for example I would like to make Thrall protect some troll encampments in the third mission of the prologue while humans attack them. I would like to completely redesign mission three, four and five to use Naga themed units and sunken ruins tileset. Also I would like to add a real enemy to the second mission, while bringing back the naval base to life.

The first mission was so simple it didn't require such extensive changes. It very much depends on the mission. But god I dislike WoW so much and I will never ever use it as a reference for anything.

I will edit the description to make the scope of the project clear, however.

 

[Tamplier777]

Playing now. Very nice decision with adding critters, fog and and some actions to the camp)) It looks really live now!
Suggestions:

• Could you please put some hay below the sleeping ogre.
• When Thrall steps out of hist hut - can he be unmounted? you could switch him to mounted version when he arrives to camp.
• Don't you want to add cinematic shots for forest trolls encounter? You could add an agressive quote from one of the trolls using sound foresttrollwhat2 (Do you wanna axe?) or using jungle troll quote (Don't mess with a bad guy) headhunteryesatack2

 

[InsaneMonster]

Could you please put some hay below the sleeping ogre.

Good idea! I will add it in the next update.

When Thrall steps out of hist hut - can he be unmounted? you could switch him to mounted version when he arrives to camp.

That was my first choice but I have to work with the limitations of the Reforged models. Thrall unmounted model has only three actually working animations (including the walk one), no head bone (cannot rotate its head) and no animations to be used during play (attack, spell, etc). If Blizzard (or some other modder) updates it, also by adding a mountless version of his wolf, I'll be glad to add what you suggest. After all, it doesn't make much sense to sleep with your wolf

Don't you want to add cinematic shots for forest trolls encounter? You could add an agressive quote from one of the trolls using sound foresttrollwhat2 (Do you wanna axe?) or using jungle troll quote (Don't mess with a bad guy) headhunteryesatack2

Mmmh I'm not too convinced by that. Trolls are supposed to be part of the tutorial on sleeping creeps, but they have no sleep animation. I could remove that tutorial part and make them awake all along, but I'm not completely certain that is a good change. Otherwise I believe the cutscene would look bad without proper animation of them sleeping.

 

[Ardenaso]

Since you are planning to actually Reforged the campaign, I was wondering if you could see my ideas?

Your ideas for a Reforged campaign?

 

[Tamplier777]

That was my first choice but I have to work with the limitations of the Reforged models. Thrall unmounted model has only three actually working animations (including the walk one), no head bone (cannot rotate its head) and no animations to be used during play (attack, spell, etc). If Blizzard (or some other modder) updates it, also by adding a mountless version of his wolf, I'll be glad to add what you suggest. After all, it doesn't make much sense to sleep with your wolf

Check this
Thrall (Mountless) with Spell and Attack

 

[Yousef]

As I predicted, Blizzard failed us, but map makers will keep this game alive and do what Blizz failed to do.

 

[InsaneMonster]

Updated!

Check this
Thrall (Mountless) with Spell and Attack

Thanks, I will write to the author to check if he can provide me all the fix I need to make it work properly in cutscenes.

Since you are planning to actually Reforged the campaign, I was wondering if you could see my ideas?

Your ideas for a Reforged campaign?

I will keep an eye on that, but story changes are not planned (I cannot do them without additional dialogues).

As I predicted, Blizzard failed us, but map makers will keep this game alive and do what Blizz failed to do.

Thank you very much

 

[StormKnight]

Reforging Reforged should be pretty easy.

I also hope u add some improvement to the gameplay of some of the missions.

Also some custom and more fitting spells for some heros, like Grom.

 

[InsaneMonster]

Reforging Reforged should be pretty easy.

I also hope u add some improvement to the gameplay of some of the missions.

Also some custom and more fitting spells for some heros, like Grom.

It's not easy at all. The game is not reforged actually, is just reskinned. Terrain is bad, design is old and cutscene are hard to make if you want them to look really good and modern. Also most cinematic animations are bugged a lot. Many assets are incomplete. The list goes on... I will do what I can, for now I want to limit myself to the prologue campaign, otherwise the task would become too big

 

[Goffterdom]

I wish you the best of luck and love for all the passion you're putting into this.

I can tell, I can read it.

Keep up the good work!

PS: I think it would be catchy to have one of your cinematic in a youtube video preview in the map description

 

[Anaxie]

Being realistic here the chances you finiah the entire game are very unlikely.

Id estimate working daily this is atleast a 3 year project. Thats not counting bugs and broken ai that will emerge..

 

[StormKnight]

It's not easy at all. The game is not reforged actually, is just reskinned. Terrain is bad, design is old and cutscene are hard to make if you want them to look really good and modern. Also most cinematic animations are bugged a lot. Many assets are incomplete. The list goes on... I will do what I can, for now I want to limit myself to the prologue campaign, otherwise the task would become too big

Yeah you are right, i was just saying its easy because if Blizzard actually did a good job it would be hard to convince people you added on top of it.
But now that they have kindly went and F'ed the Campaigns. there is a lot you can do to improve it.

A proper reterraining alone should already make the Campaign leagues and bounds ahead of what Reforged is.

That's what i meant, if you get my point.

It was actually so underwhelming i never played it and i don't think i will, i'm actually looking forward to play some community made Campaigns.
I guess your project will just be long time coming of making a better Campaign, because you know, multi billion dollar company, or should i say, smoll indie company, couldn't pull it off.

 

[InsaneMonster]

Being realistic here the chances you finiah the entire game are very unlikely.

Id estimate working daily this is atleast a 3 year project. Thats not counting bugs and broken ai that will emerge..

That's why I set up as goal only the prologue campaign as of now

 

[Ardenaso]

Could you also check this one?

Inconsistencies in WC3 Reforged you want to see fixed in the future update

 

[paulH]

I just gave it a go. I really enjoyed what you've made so far. When WC3R came out I started on a similar project, mostly fixing the tileset on the island maps and making Kul'tiras, but I gave up when I was unable to replace the maps by running them locally. If you're interested in those, I can see about giving them to you and you can just use whatever you want from those.

Anyway, while playing this mission, I spotted some small things that might be worth considering:

- The models for Gar'thok and Nazgrel are used but they are named after generic units. I think it'd be better if they kept their names, as players who have played the Rexxar campaign would like the connection, and if they haven't, the two are loosely established (at least visually as part of the Horde) as far back as the Prologue.
- In theory you could add Drek'thar to the encampment, as he was around Thrall at this time.
- The encampment has two Barracks, I would suggest changing one of the buildings to a War Mill for the sake of variety.
- I think you should change one uit (perhaps a Peon?) for a Shaman, so that all the "ground" Orc units are visible as part of the Horde.

Good luck with your future missions, I'm keen to see how those go

 

[Nhayara]

It's very good so far, I really enjoyed the improvement you put there.
I agree with other, you can go even further and enchance the gameplay. I understand that your concerns are voices and models so you can't add additionnal dialogues.

In hard it still felt too easy, even with the additional creeps.
You may replace creeps by a faction "Wilderness", like "The Centaurs" in the hord campaign in order for them to focus on injured units rather than the closest one. The 2 golems on the back may be linked together so when you attack one, the other one come from behind ; or the first one may try to flee to the other when he has 50% life left.

You may add a fountain of life in place of the life potion and add additionnals ennemy units or you may meet a shaman in the wild that give you an healing salve (hard beacause of voice acting) or even add a camp or a tent somewhere to hint that someone let it there (you may meet the shaman entering the orc camp when you enter it.) Actually, foutain should have been discovered on third mission from human campaign, but with the addition of the 3 missions from the demo tft campain on the prologue, there is an healing fountain on the third prologue campaign, so you can just put an hint anyway since it's allready broken.

You may replace farseer ability by the one in the ladder, it's actually frustrating to have an useless ability that cost you mana. Remove mana cost and add a cooldown, I think it would feel nicer.

Is it just me or trolls on the east doens't use their abilities ? Trappers should send a net on your grunts.

Actually the fight against the ogre doesn't feel good at all (it's not your fault). There is no reason to put an ogre here for blizzard at the first place except for hinting that ogres are not part of the hord anymore, but the gameplay feel horrible
. In any case, the fight should be harder if you choose to fight him instead of continuing without fighting. I would suggest to give him way more health and make the fight in 2 phases. Maybe he should be unarmed (if models can do it) when you engage him, then he return to his camp and take his weapon when he realize he will die if he don't take a weapon, or maybe give him an enrage ability that boost his damage in 2nd phase or maybe the countrary, he has nice stats from the begining with a temporary debuff that give him less damage and attack speed "lethargy", then reward the player with an item (ring of protection +1 ?) for killing it.


I will keep an eye on your future release as your project feel very good to me.

Good luck and hafe fun.

 

[InsaneMonster]

Currently I've started reterraining the second prologue mission. Since I'm Italian I'm forced home for 15 days due to coronavirus outbreak so I've time to work on that, much more than I thought.

I'm trying to make the alliance base an actual naval base, so I'm reterraining much more than the first mission (also, the terrain in this one is very ugly).

I just gave it a go. I really enjoyed what you've made so far. When WC3R came out I started on a similar project, mostly fixing the tileset on the island maps and making Kul'tiras, but I gave up when I was unable to replace the maps by running them locally. If you're interested in those, I can see about giving them to you and you can just use whatever you want from those.

Anyway, while playing this mission, I spotted some small things that might be worth considering:

- The models for Gar'thok and Nazgrel are used but they are named after generic units. I think it'd be better if they kept their names, as players who have played the Rexxar campaign would like the connection, and if they haven't, the two are loosely established (at least visually as part of the Horde) as far back as the Prologue.
- In theory you could add Drek'thar to the encampment, as he was around Thrall at this time.
- The encampment has two Barracks, I would suggest changing one of the buildings to a War Mill for the sake of variety.
- I think you should change one uit (perhaps a Peon?) for a Shaman, so that all the "ground" Orc units are visible as part of the Horde.

Good luck with your future missions, I'm keen to see how those go

Good ideas, I'll look into them, except for Drek'Thar who I prefer not to add since he is another hero. Remember that the mission is supposed to be a tutorial. I don't want to change that and adding another hero would confuse (novice) players. Beside that, I've no story content to give him so I'm a bit locked (I don't want to add dialogue without audio).

It's very good so far, I really enjoyed the improvement you put there.
I agree with other, you can go even further and enchance the gameplay. I understand that your concerns are voices and models so you can't add additionnal dialogues.

In hard it still felt too easy, even with the additional creeps.
You may replace creeps by a faction "Wilderness", like "The Centaurs" in the hord campaign in order for them to focus on injured units rather than the closest one. The 2 golems on the back may be linked together so when you attack one, the other one come from behind ; or the first one may try to flee to the other when he has 50% life left.

You may add a fountain of life in place of the life potion and add additionnals ennemy units or you may meet a shaman in the wild that give you an healing salve (hard beacause of voice acting) or even add a camp or a tent somewhere to hint that someone let it there (you may meet the shaman entering the orc camp when you enter it.) Actually, foutain should have been discovered on third mission from human campaign, but with the addition of the 3 missions from the demo tft campain on the prologue, there is an healing fountain on the third prologue campaign, so you can just put an hint anyway since it's allready broken.

You may replace farseer ability by the one in the ladder, it's actually frustrating to have an useless ability that cost you mana. Remove mana cost and add a cooldown, I think it would feel nicer.

Is it just me or trolls on the east doens't use their abilities ? Trappers should send a net on your grunts.

Actually the fight against the ogre doesn't feel good at all (it's not your fault). There is no reason to put an ogre here for blizzard at the first place except for hinting that ogres are not part of the hord anymore, but the gameplay feel horrible
. In any case, the fight should be harder if you choose to fight him instead of continuing without fighting. I would suggest to give him way more health and make the fight in 2 phases. Maybe he should be unarmed (if models can do it) when you engage him, then he return to his camp and take his weapon when he realize he will die if he don't take a weapon, or maybe give him an enrage ability that boost his damage in 2nd phase or maybe the countrary, he has nice stats from the begining with a temporary debuff that give him less damage and attack speed "lethargy", then reward the player with an item (ring of protection +1 ?) for killing it.


I will keep an eye on your future release as your project feel very good to me.

Good luck and hafe fun.

Thank you very much. I believe most of the changes you propose are too drastic and would harm the tutorial nature of this mission. That means: too many mechanics presented all at once are not good and would confuse a new player. Beside that, tutorials should be easy to beat for everyone. I balanced it around losing max two grunts on hard difficulty for players that are not veterans.

Yes I plan on updating the tutorial of the fountain on the third mission of the prologue, along many other things.

I may agree I should make the ogre a bit stronger. I already added the rune and the rune tutorial so I believe it's fine for what concerns items dropped. Keep in mind the original design was to teach sleeping creatures, not how to boss fight. I can however confirm with 100% certainty that trolls do use their abilities.

 

[InsaneMonster]

Terraining almost done, small in-editor preview of a unpolished naval base... without revealing too much!

 

[Ardenaso]

Looks good, though I was actually expecting you to turn the map into like WoW where you first charge the Internment Camp near Hillsbrad to free Grom and then raid Southshore

 

[InsaneMonster]

Looks good, though I was actually expecting you to turn the map into like WoW where you first charge the Internment Camp near Hillsbrad to free Grom and then raid Southshore

Thank you for your suggestions! I never played WoW, but from Wowpedia:
"An Alliance naval base, southern Lordaeron - Served as a temporary holding area for captured Warsong orcs, who were quickly freed by the Horde."

I used that as guideline, and I actually turned the first part of the naval base (from the point of view of the invaders, so near the entrance) to an internment camp only, where most orcs are held prisoner (except for Grom, which is the mission goal). I will not change the story, because I can't (dialogues...). This is a preview of the internment camp "near" the naval base (but still whitin its walls):

Also, from Wowpedia:
"The Alliance Naval Base was an Alliance port southwest of Durnholde Keep, east of a river bisecting the area in Arathi Highlands. It was where the humans had captured Grommash Hellscream and his clan. It was manned by a group called Alliance Forces. The base was raided by the Horde led by Thrall who freed Grom and stole ships".

So I believe the naval base and the internment camp within it, raided before stealing the ships of the base itself is canon. What you mentioned is under speculation:
"It may have been part of Southshore, considering it is just northeast of where Southshore is in World of Warcraft. World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 3 later confirmed that Thrall stole the ships from Southshore, but Grommash's capture in the town was not mentioned."

According to the speculations, this is my Southshore, just near the naval base. I hope to have mantained the spirit of WoW Southshore, while making it a bit better graphically:

 

[paulH]

Loving the look of the next map so far!

 

[Nhayara]

Thank you very much. I believe most of the changes you propose are too drastic and would harm the tutorial nature of this mission. That means: too many mechanics presented all at once are not good and would confuse a new player. Beside that, tutorials should be easy to beat for everyone. I balanced it around losing max two grunts on hard difficulty for players that are not veterans.

I may agree I should make the ogre a bit stronger. I already added the rune and the rune tutorial so I believe it's fine for what concerns items dropped. Keep in mind the original design was to teach sleeping creatures, not how to boss fight. I can however confirm with 100% certainty that trolls do use their abilities.

You have my point, I forgot about the rune, it's a great thing.

The new map looks great so far.

 

[Shar Dundred]

While the changes to the Reforged version are appreciated (and this is still WIP), they are still too minor to properly approve this resource.

Moved to Substandard.

 

[InsaneMonster]

While the changes to the Reforged version are appreciated (and this is still WIP), they are still too minor to properly approve this resource.

Moved to Substandard.

Ok! I hope you'll reconsider when the next update (the second mission) is released. Dunno why reviewing the bundle so early in development actually... But it's fine nonetheless.

 

[Shar Dundred]

If this is in "early development", it should be in Map Development instead of the Map Section.

 

[InsaneMonster]

If this is in "early development", it should be in Map Development instead of the Map Section.

It's a campaign. One mission is ready (two will be soon), other three are in development. There is no campaign section in the site, how does it work in this case?

Edit: I found it useful to publish early to get fast feedback. If none liked it, I would not have made the other maps

 

[Shar Dundred]

Map Development is also for campaigns - and it is the place to publish early to get fast feedback.

 

[ShadiHD]

Hello good sir!

it's about time someone started this, I'm willing to contribute and help you with this project, here's my suggestions to further improve the gameplay and lore :

- make custom skins for different orc clans and Human kingdoms for Units and perhaps some buildings (farms for example to reflect the Clan/Kingdom's culture) (for better immersiveness) and not just generic Alliance/Horde units.
- fix the Geography to better reflect the current world map of Warcraft.
- voice record for some major units, (I'm also willing to aid in this since I have a mini-recording studio and I have experience in recording and adding effects to voices).


DM me if you're up for it!

 

[InsaneMonster]

Huge update today!

Released Mission 02 (Departures)

Updated Mission 01 (Chasing Visions):

• The tutorial is now optional and can be skipped with an appropriate dialog (no story content is lost if the tutorial is not played)
• Added footsteps sounds during cinematics to all units
• Increased the number of animated tree (thanks to additional trigger optimization)
• Improved sounds variety and quality both during gameplay and during cinematics
• Added visual effects to Medivh while morphing
• Added lighting effects during cutscenes
• Improved a bit the terrain
• Improved tutorial in some points (with optimizations and additional indicators)
• Added lore "hints" to display additional info about the Warcraft lore during the game
• The ogre now has some personality and is quite of a challenge
  
• Added a shaman and a war mill to the orc encampment for additional variety

Next update you will have to wait for a while and it won't be mission 03... but something inbetween mission 02 and 03!

Map Development is also for campaigns - and it is the place to publish early to get fast feedback.

Hi good sir, can you please tell me what kind of minimum criteria should I meet in order to no longer qualify as substandard? Thanks a lot!

Hello good sir!

it's about time someone started this, I'm willing to contribute and help you with this project, here's my suggestions to further improve the gameplay and lore :

- make custom skins for different orc clans and Human kingdoms for Units and perhaps some buildings (farms for example to reflect the Clan/Kingdom's culture) (for better immersiveness) and not just generic Alliance/Horde units.
- fix the Geography to better reflect the current world map of Warcraft.
- voice record for some major units, (I'm also willing to aid in this since I have a mini-recording studio and I have experience in recording and adding effects to voices).


DM me if you're up for it!

I'll answer to you tomorrow, I have to sleep now

 

[Shar Dundred]

I think you have already discussed this matter with someone on Discord but I will still reply here.
I understand the desire to improve the campaign maps of Reforged, but campaign edits require
very thorough changes to be sufficient enough for approval.
Improvement of the existing campaigns, Reforged or not, is appreciated, ut improving an existing
map itself is not enough for approval.

Also, substandard =/= bad.

 

[paulH]

Substandard is an absurd word to use for these kind of maps, it paints them as something crap when they are anything but.

InsaneMonster, I'm playing through the new mission now and I'm very impressed. So far I've only spotted these issues:

1st Mission

- You have the target point as inside the village, but then there is a cinematic that shows the village and Thrall entering it. I suggest moving the target to the village entrance, so the cinematic is the first shot you get of the village.
-

2nd Mission

- The camera pan over the Alliance base needs additional smoothing.
- The Lore info when you get the second quest needs to be delayed, you get too many updates at once and it gets lost in the crowd.
- Path blockers need to be added to the rocks beside the second Scout Tower as your orcs can stand inside the rocks.

I think you did an excellent job on it. Well done!

 

[InsaneMonster]

Hello good sir!

it's about time someone started this, I'm willing to contribute and help you with this project, here's my suggestions to further improve the gameplay and lore :

- make custom skins for different orc clans and Human kingdoms for Units and perhaps some buildings (farms for example to reflect the Clan/Kingdom's culture) (for better immersiveness) and not just generic Alliance/Horde units.
- fix the Geography to better reflect the current world map of Warcraft.
- voice record for some major units, (I'm also willing to aid in this since I have a mini-recording studio and I have experience in recording and adding effects to voices).


DM me if you're up for it!

There is a contribute section in the project description. Before adding so much I think it is better to improve about what's there. A lot is missing, a lot can be improved. It is already very hard this way, trust me. But I could use a couple models to get improved cinematics

I think you have already discussed this matter with someone on Discord but I will still reply here.
I understand the desire to improve the campaign maps of Reforged, but campaign edits require
very thorough changes to be sufficient enough for approval.
Improvement of the existing campaigns, Reforged or not, is appreciated, ut improving an existing
map itself is not enough for approval.

Also, substandard =/= bad.

Yes, I understood it even the word substandard does feel like it is somehow bad, but I got your point.
If you have played my maps, what should I add, change to qualify as "very thorough changes". That is what I'm interested in and asked around on discord. Otherwise it is very hard for me to comply with your rules, even in perspective of future updates. I would like to directly tell me if it is impossible or not, for you are the mod.

Substandard is an absurd word to use for these kind of maps, it paints them as something crap when they are anything but.

1st Mission

- You have the target point as inside the village, but then there is a cinematic that shows the village and Thrall entering it. I suggest moving the target to the village entrance, so the cinematic is the first shot you get of the village.

2nd Mission

- The camera pan over the Alliance base needs additional smoothing.
- The Lore info when you get the second quest needs to be delayed, you get too many updates at once and it gets lost in the crowd.
- Path blockers need to be added to the rocks beside the second Scout Tower as your orcs can stand inside the rocks.

I think you did an excellent job on it. Well done!

Before all, thank you! I'm glad you liked them!

1st Mission:
- yes it is true, but I really don't know if I like it more the other way... I will think about it!
2nd Mission:
- the camera pan is hardcoded and the only think I can do is removing it sadly
- ok about the lore, I will delay it further in future updates
- yes I noticed that right after I published, so I think this will go in the next update

 

[Shar Dundred]

When I reviewed the map, the second mission had not been released yet so I cannot really
judge how your changes there affect gameplay. I have your project on my radar for re-reviewing,
but I would prefer to see more work done & maps added before that.

For the first map I can say that your changes are mostly visual or quality of life improvements
with little impact on the gameplay itself.
I am not saying that these changes are unimportant or do not affect the visual presentation of
your maps, but given the fact that you are working on existing material when editing Blizzard maps,
I am sure you will agree that the gameplay must also be affected in some way.

If you take a look around in the Map Section, you will find a lot of edited Blizzard campaign maps
that are in Substandard because of the changes being not enough.

If you wish to discuss the matter about Substandard itself, feel free to create a thread in either
Staff Contact or Site Discussion.
Don't let something like "Substandard" discourage you from continuing to work on your project, still.
The name may be connected with "low quality" but if you look i. e. at the Substandard creations in
the Models section, you will find some great model edits. They are in Substandard due to being simple
edits but many of them are still extremely useful and great to use.

 

[InsaneMonster]

When I reviewed the map, the second mission had not been released yet so I cannot really
judge how your changes there affect gameplay. I have your project on my radar for re-reviewing,
but I would prefer to see more work done & maps added before that.

For the first map I can say that your changes are mostly visual or quality of life improvements
with little impact on the gameplay itself.
I am not saying that these changes are unimportant or do not affect the visual presentation of
your maps, but given the fact that you are working on existing material when editing Blizzard maps,
I am sure you will agree that the gameplay must also be affected in some way.

If you take a look around in the Map Section, you will find a lot of edited Blizzard campaign maps
that are in Substandard because of the changes being not enough.

If you wish to discuss the matter about Substandard itself, feel free to create a thread in either
Staff Contact or Site Discussion.
Don't let something like "Substandard" discourage you from continuing to work on your project, still.
The name may be connected with "low quality" but if you look i. e. at the Substandard creations in
the Models section, you will find some great model edits. They are in Substandard due to being simple
edits but many of them are still extremely useful and great to use.

Thank you, this is finally clear now. Take your time to re-review, the more time I have to add maps and improve them, the better is for anyone involved =)

PS: I'm sorry if in any place I sounded rude or whatever, english is not my first language and all my questions or even critics to the word "substandard" were never meant to be unpolite.

 

[InsaneMonster]

Added a video showcasing the first mission cinematics. I will also post a playthrough of it the next week.

 

[Goffterdom]

I just watched it! Great work.

Maybe you should shorten it a bit to make it more of a tease. Anyway it's up to you.

I'm delighted!

 

[Ardenaso]

Haven't played it yet but it better also show the reason why the Amani left the Horde

 

[Tamplier777]

Haven't played it yet but it better also show the reason why the Amani left the Horde

hmm I thought they left cuz of Gul'dan betreyal

 

[MasterBlaster]

Haven't played it yet but it better also show the reason why the Amani left the Horde

I think it's rather unlikely considering that the goal of this project is to keep the story intact.

Also, the Amani left the Horde, because Orgrim Doomhammer abandoned them during the siege of Quel'thalas, causing the Trolls to lose and Zul'jin to be captured by the High Elves. I don't see how that relates to the locations or the plot of the Prologue Campaign in W3.

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As for the campaign itself - I only watched the video, because... well, I refunded my Reforged copy, but I have to say that I'm absolutely amazed with what I've seen and to be perfectly honest: if this wasn't just two maps, but the whole RoC/TFT campaign series... I'd probably re-purchase Reforged just to play it.

So, to keep it simple - I'm rooting for you Keep up the good work!

 

[Ardenaso]

I think it's rather unlikely considering that the goal of this project is to keep the story intact.

I mean, a little bit of it to reinforce the "I still can't believe they were ever part of the Horde"

 

[InsaneMonster]

I just watched it! Great work.

Maybe you should shorten it a bit to make it more of a tease. Anyway it's up to you.

I'm delighted!

Thank you!

A teaser will come only when the campaign is finished. Until then, you can expect new videos of cinematics/playthroughs for all added mission and also new videos for significantly updated ones

New videos, when needed, are published at least once a week, you can follow me on YouTube but I'll also post them here.

Haven't played it yet but it better also show the reason why the Amani left the Horde

That sound quite threathening

On a more serious note, anyway, I added a bit of lore explaining the fact that trolls, like the Amani tribe you mentioned, fought alongside the Horde of Gul'Dan during the Second War. I did that to reinforce and explain a bit that sentence from Thrall you quoted.

However it felt to me unfitting to tell why they left. Beside that, I think it would be a bit too long to explain with just a lore hint.

I think it's rather unlikely considering that the goal of this project is to keep the story intact.

Also, the Amani left the Horde, because Orgrim Doomhammer abandoned them during the siege of Quel'thalas, causing the Trolls to lose and Zul'jin to be captured by the High Elves. I don't see how that relates to the locations or the plot of the Prologue Campaign in W3.

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As for the campaign itself - I only watched the video, because... well, I refunded my Reforged copy, but I have to say that I'm absolutely amazed with what I've seen and to be perfectly honest: if this wasn't just two maps, but the whole RoC/TFT campaign series... I'd probably re-purchase Reforged just to play it.

So, to keep it simple - I'm rooting for you Keep up the good work!

Thank you very much for your support!

Remaking everything is a too big project for any solo dev I fear. I also have a game I'm developing in my spare time and I have to work.
But I promise that at least the prologue campaign will be finished. You can count on that!

 

[Ardenaso]

err... I think "the Amani left because they were abandoned by the Horde" or "Thrall found distaste in Amani prisoners while he was a slave" would be enough

 

[InsaneMonster]

err... I think "the Amani left because they were abandoned by the Horde" or "Thrall found distaste in Amani prisoners while he was a slave" would be enough

Hey there, the current lore hint about the trolls states: "Some forest trolls, like the Amani tribe lead by Zul'Jin, fought alongside Gul'Dan during the Second War."

Without making it too longer (long hints are bad from a game design perspective for they worsen the user experience), you are free to contribute by adding what you think is missing

Post here and if I think it's good enough I'll add in the next update!

 

[Ardenaso]

Well... you're kinda right about not making it too long. I guess we should leave it as it is now