Would it not be better to put your energy into making a campaign that is not based on the original blizzard campaigns? Not trying to discourage you, but new campaigns often can bring more value to players than a revisioning of a campaign most people have already played.

 

Actually I'm just trying to reforge it for good...

 

Nicely done, i just played the prologue some days ago.

btw, when razing creep buildings at night, they will:
a) not respond to the destruction of their buildings
b) still spawn additional creeps, even-though you destroyed said buildings

here are some impressions (i'm playing with shadows off - much more fps in unit heavy mp-maps)

 

Thanks!

Good catch! I didn't think of that. Will fix it soon and update accordingly.

Was the frame rate good? I added a ton of doddoad but on my rig I had no problem whatsoever.

 

Maybe you might try to "reforged it for good", but in the end how can you avoid doing exactly what blizzard did with Reforged?

Blizzard originally promised reforged to be something with a complete overhaul of the entire design of maps (such as the Stratholme demo), as well as the story changing based on WoW storyline (something which we did not even see in the demo, it was supposed to be that the entire dialogues would be changed).

Based on the screenshots you provided, you are not changing to the terrain to the extent the Stratholme mission was redesigned in, nor are you changing the story, since that would require voice acting.

It would appear you are "reforging" the campaign in the same way blizzard did--- i.e the way that was not promised, with just an updated campaign. Blizzard already did this. It did update cutscenes and cinematics in small ways. You are just following in its footsteps. If you are really serious about a Reforging the campaigns, then maybe it should be based on the way blizzard originally promised the campaign would be?

 

I'm mostly talking about cinematics, terrain quality and difficulties rebalance. The original idea is of course not feasibile with the resource at my disposal. I've not said: I'll do what Blizzard promised at Blizzcon 2018, I just can't.

I've just done what I believe they should have done to make those amazing assets justice... I'm actually trying to make cinematics really more... cinematics. There are loads of changes, since they are redone from scratch to be similar to the original The Culling Blizzcon 2018 demo cinematics.

Reforged cinematics are so bad. While classic graphics was good for that kind of simplistic shots and animations, new reforged graphics is not. That's one big part of what I did here.

Let's say it this way: I just would like to reforge the game (or parts of it, depends on the time I have) the way I like it to be reforged. I cannot change the story. I can however redesign some missions, for example I would like to make Thrall protect some troll encampments in the third mission of the prologue while humans attack them. I would like to completely redesign mission three, four and five to use Naga themed units and sunken ruins tileset. Also I would like to add a real enemy to the second mission, while bringing back the naval base to life.

The first mission was so simple it didn't require such extensive changes. It very much depends on the mission. But god I dislike WoW so much and I will never ever use it as a reference for anything.

I will edit the description to make the scope of the project clear, however.

 

Playing now. Very nice decision with adding critters, fog and and some actions to the camp)) It looks really live now!
Suggestions:

• Could you please put some hay below the sleeping ogre.
• When Thrall steps out of hist hut - can he be unmounted? you could switch him to mounted version when he arrives to camp.
• Don't you want to add cinematic shots for forest trolls encounter? You could add an agressive quote from one of the trolls using sound foresttrollwhat2 (Do you wanna axe?) or using jungle troll quote (Don't mess with a bad guy) headhunteryesatack2

 

Good idea! I will add it in the next update.

That was my first choice but I have to work with the limitations of the Reforged models. Thrall unmounted model has only three actually working animations (including the walk one), no head bone (cannot rotate its head) and no animations to be used during play (attack, spell, etc). If Blizzard (or some other modder) updates it, also by adding a mountless version of his wolf, I'll be glad to add what you suggest. After all, it doesn't make much sense to sleep with your wolf

Mmmh I'm not too convinced by that. Trolls are supposed to be part of the tutorial on sleeping creeps, but they have no sleep animation. I could remove that tutorial part and make them awake all along, but I'm not completely certain that is a good change. Otherwise I believe the cutscene would look bad without proper animation of them sleeping.

 

Since you are planning to actually Reforged the campaign, I was wondering if you could see my ideas?

Your ideas for a Reforged campaign?

 

Check this
Thrall (Mountless) with Spell and Attack

 

As I predicted, Blizzard failed us, but map makers will keep this game alive and do what Blizz failed to do.

 

Updated!

Thanks, I will write to the author to check if he can provide me all the fix I need to make it work properly in cutscenes.

I will keep an eye on that, but story changes are not planned (I cannot do them without additional dialogues).

Thank you very much

 

Reforging Reforged should be pretty easy.

I also hope u add some improvement to the gameplay of some of the missions.

Also some custom and more fitting spells for some heros, like Grom.

 

It's not easy at all. The game is not reforged actually, is just reskinned. Terrain is bad, design is old and cutscene are hard to make if you want them to look really good and modern. Also most cinematic animations are bugged a lot. Many assets are incomplete. The list goes on... I will do what I can, for now I want to limit myself to the prologue campaign, otherwise the task would become too big

 

I wish you the best of luck and love for all the passion you're putting into this.

I can tell, I can read it.

Keep up the good work!

PS: I think it would be catchy to have one of your cinematic in a youtube video preview in the map description

 

Being realistic here the chances you finiah the entire game are very unlikely.

Id estimate working daily this is atleast a 3 year project. Thats not counting bugs and broken ai that will emerge..

 

Yeah you are right, i was just saying its easy because if Blizzard actually did a good job it would be hard to convince people you added on top of it.
But now that they have kindly went and F'ed the Campaigns. there is a lot you can do to improve it.

A proper reterraining alone should already make the Campaign leagues and bounds ahead of what Reforged is.

That's what i meant, if you get my point.

It was actually so underwhelming i never played it and i don't think i will, i'm actually looking forward to play some community made Campaigns.
I guess your project will just be long time coming of making a better Campaign, because you know, multi billion dollar company, or should i say, smoll indie company, couldn't pull it off.

 

That's why I set up as goal only the prologue campaign as of now

 

Could you also check this one?

Inconsistencies in WC3 Reforged you want to see fixed in the future update