Approved
When you say "Not that punishing" are you comparing it to the Original Human Campaign or the BW Alternate? I know Brood War Alternate is very punishing, and I don't want it to be that difficult. However I want it to be as difficult or a little harder than the Human Campaign and while testing, I finished missions very easily. Maybe it's that I know the originals really well, or maybe it needs to be a little bit harder.
I am currently working on the Human Prologue Campaign "Exodus of the Alliance" followed by the Night Elf Campaign "Path of the Watchers". Though I am quite busy, so I don't know when they will be released.
I meant the BW Alternate. Now that i think about it, for Chapter 5 the amount of ghouls that you start with should be less as they will cut wood extremely quickly, changing them with skeletons or zombies i think can work. Also at the end of Chapter 8 with the 3 moon wells and the druids of the talon i think there should be more units, originally you would fight necromancers raising skeletons from their respective graveyards. Still, i only played it on normal so i don't know how it is on hard, might check it out at some point.
I first worked on it for 1.30, then updated to 1.31.1. Didn't test it on any other version. I'd say just to be sure, make a backup of your 1.29.2, and then update to 1.31 (linked in the post). If you don't want to play on 1.31.1, you could try .29 but I'm not sure if everything will work as intended.
Fair enough, I'll try on .29 and hope for the best
Can you be more specific about Uther? He is not in Chapter 7. Chapter 7 is Shores of Ashenvale.
call SetBuildUnit( 1,ACOLYTE) -> call SetBuildUnit( 1,WISP)call SetBuildUnit( 1,UNDEAD_MINE)Sorry. I meant Chapter 6, it was the "Watch your tone with me, boy" line.
It's not meant to be funny. It's meant to be fun. Simply put an alternate universe that doesn't take itself too seriously.
That's just a funny twist I came up. The player thinks: Wait is Jaina still going to be a Human Archmage? And then it happens. Don't need to think too hard about it. Jayn (the dreadlord) is using a human woman Archmage as a disguise.
Where are High Elves Night Elves? High Elves are only mentioned twice:
Uther never says Paladin. If he does it is a mistake that needs fixing. Uther shouldn't have been Kel'thuzad because this is my vision for Alternate Warcraft III. I am inspired by BW Alternate, but that doesn't mean I have to do everything exactly the same. I could have made Uther a Death Knight and Jaina a Lich, but what I find more fun is unexpected changes. I knew some people won't like the idea of Uther, Jaina and Muradin being undead and instead being replaced by Kel'Thuzad and Anub'arak. This was the original idea but I was like "Who would Uther be?" There is no other named Death Knight in Warcraft III, so should I make him Mal'Ganis? And then I came to the conclusion that the best way to make this is to leave the characters as they were but change their races. Uther is still Arthas' mentor. Jaina is still Arthas' friend. Muradin is still the guy that gets sacrificed by Arthas. But now they are Undead.
Works well when one has Vampiric Aura. Also Night Elves have no Strength Heroes so the replacement Heroes for Death Knights, Dreadlords and Crypt Lords can't be Strength Heroes. Also there are pairs of two melee strength heroes in the original campaigns: Arthas/Muradin, Arthas/Anub'arak, Rexxar/Chen and they still work.
Undead are being reborn and turned into night elven spirits. In BW Alternate, Infested Duran who is an Infested Terran becomes a Protoss (Instead of Kerrigan who is Terran becomes Infested). In this campaign Undead become Night Elf Spirits (Instead of Humans turning Undead). It doesn't make a lot of sense but it doesn't have to. I tried to make the campaign serious when I could, but it doesn't have to take itself too seriously.
Arthas needs to become Night Elf for the next campaign. Since Undead replaces Human and Night Elf replaces Undead. The reason he become a Night Elf will be explained in the next campaign.
While the Tech Tree is Vanilla, it tries to follow the Human Techtree unlocks. This campaign let's you reexperience the original campaign from a new perspective. In RoC and TFT there are only 3 missions where you battle night elves, and one of them is the Illidan Wagon one. Since Undead is replaced by Night Elves, you get to fight them a lot more. This is a What if campaign. I wanted Quests to be the same but what if... you had to use undead.
Update to 1.31.1 then. That's the proper way to play it.
I have heard I am still your superior as a Paladin so many times and yet I didn't realize it needed to be changed. Thanks. Will change it but I won't be able to update the campaign until the weekend.
The Crypt Lord is still on strength so you get a lack of gameplay variety in such a manner.
No. I asked the gameplay to be enhanced. Right now, it's just plain Warcraft III and on to of that, an edit of an original work, not 100% your stuff, meaning quite substandard.
Well of course it's not 100% my stuff. There are other campaigns that are not 100% made by the author like Scourge of Lordaeron edits, 2P versions of Campaigns (including my own 2P Rexxar Campaign) that have been approved that change the techtree, add some new features and a couple of trigger changes (like enabling 2 player mode, making cinematics work for 2 players etc.). The only difference is that this one doesn't add new units, it changes the race. And I felt like keeping things vanilla would make it feel more natural. I was quite pleased with how it ended, mirroring the original but keeping the twist going through to the very last mission. If Scourge of Lordaeron edits, 2P Campaigns and my 2P Rexxar Campaign weren't approved I would have understood the problem with this not being 100% my work. I love The Spoon's 2P Campaigns a lot, his maps being approved is well deserved, but I would say the amount of work that goes into making a 2P Campaign map is similar to the amount that goes into making one of my alternate maps.
Can you elaborate? I pointed out how in the original campaigns you had Paladin Arthas and Muradin or DK Arthas and Anub'arak and both pairs were strength. And there is no lack of variety there.
Voices are not slowed down, they are pitch shifted. This means I can change them to be more masculine or feminine, more demonic or colder without increasing or decreasing the duration. This might just be me but I hate to read subtitles with no audio. Because of this I tried to rework all voice lines to fit the change.
The idea of it is that when you see 'her' for the first time you may think that you are going to play an Archmage and then the twist happens. If I used an Undead Jaina model it would defeat the purpose of it. I'd rather have Jaina always be in Dreadlord form than use an Undead Jaina model for her human appearance.
Undead are Humans. Their villagers live in similar houses. The Undead won't rebuild villages with good houses. The village is in flames because of the human raiders, not because the acolytes live in burning buildings. (They are burning in the original mission too)
Since you said you had never seen something like this, you should take a look at these Starcraft and Starcraft II campaigns that inspired my campaign:
Thanks a lot for the approval. That's the point of these campaigns: revisiting the old campaigns with a new perspective. In this campaign, I stuck with vanilla tech trees and heroes because everything felt right, and I didn't think anything custom was necessary, but in future campaigns there will be more custom heroes, units, boss fights (Murloc Sorceror, Uther and his Paladins, Antonidas, Mannaroth (the latter will have a separate mission where you fight him using Thrall and Grom, replacing the Cinematic) and adding interesting features from the beta versions of Warcraft III like the original Mountain King ultimate. The factions that replace Demo Murlocs, High/Blood Elves, Forsaken, Fel Orcs, Watchers, Naga, Satyrs, Taurens and Draenei will have entirely new tech trees.
Currently working on the prologue campaign. The plan is to modify all 8 campaigns (this excludes Rexxar's campaign).
Happy to hear that! Be sure to check the prologue as well.Lmao. Love it
This alternative universe could be also named as Plants vs. Zombies
I suggest try Hard difficulty
I passed 2 campaign on hard difficulty)
since i had to get used to the new spells of the reborn arthas, i liked them tho, and the fight was decent, with the runes that kept spawning, and the new ability /ultimate with that horn was cool, being able to dodge spells and to remove debuffs, made the fight interesting and engaging, so that was great.
This is a hidden bug that has been plaguing Custom Campaigns since forever
Since you might have played it on normal, it is possible that is why missions might seem too easy. In my opinion, I think the hard difficulty is just as hard as the original campaigns'. I played through the campaign a lot and I never had the difficulty changing and the haunted gold mine problem. The reason why I said Mortals instead of Undead is because in the original Undead are attacking the Living (H, O, NE), while in this version, the Night Elves are attacking the (U, H, O) group and the best name for them would be the mortals since Night Elves are immortals (Arthas line about wanting to live forever in the next campaign really fits with this theme). Wisps are supposed to be invulnerable, so your units don't attack them. They are only there for the theme, not for the gameplay. I hate reading subtitles with no voice lines, so in these campaigns I've tried to reuse as many voicelines as I could. It also helped reduce the development time.~Short Review~
I played on war3 version 1.31
Mission 2
- The haunted gold mine is bugged in this mission, after the cutscene with the blood mage and uther ends, for some reason when i tell an acolyte to go to mine gold it says the mine isn't haunted, even tho i still have 4 other acolytes mining from it, and after i take them away and put them to mine the same thing happens, only after i haunted the already haunted mine they can go and mine again, pretty funny bug.
After the second haunted mine was built on top of the old one i also discovered i can put more acolytes on the same mine, so i ended up having 9 acolytes mining from 1 single haunted goldmine lolol.
I shall name this bug Double the haunted double the fun
I did skip the cutscene and used warpten to speed up things for this video, but trust me, the bug happens even when you don't skip the cutscene and even when you don't use any cheats.
Mission 3
- aaaaaaaah whaaat just happened, why did Jaina just transformed into a dreadlord during the cutscene and then stays that way lol
Ok after reading all the comments i understand, but i still feel like it wasn't really explained that well, so the player can get very confused with it.
- invul wisps all over the place unless they are meant to be invul.
Mission 4
- Seeing the tree of life running at that fast speed in the cutscene was both hilarious and terrifying at the same time lol
Speedy tree gonzales:
- There should be "the undead" instead of "the mortals" no?
I can't lie, i had fun playing through the campaign with this race swap twist thing, even tho most missions were almost if not identical to the original tho, which is bad by design, makes the campaign boring by default, but i also understood that was your idea from the beginning so i guess is fine, it wouldn't be so bad to be implemented more unique and new units, spells, creeps, and other things to the campaign to make it a bit more fresh.
My other negatives about the campaign was also the fact that the enemies were just too easy to kill, i played on hard but it really felt like i was playing on very easy, like you said, this might be because we already played the original campaigns so we know what's up but still even then, it was waaaay too easy, i guess this is why i got bored after the first missions, the difficulty was too easy, i even managed to kill both elf bases in that one mission where you need to wait 30 minutes for Uther
I suggest increasing the number of enemy elf and human units in all missions, especially for hard difficulty.
Even tho i liked how you changed the voices of some characters to sound more like their new aspects, this should have been done to all voice lines, but of course that would take ages and also letting the old voice lines from the og campaign doesn't really work because of the race swap, it kinda works for arthas i guess but that's it, so i suggest you either remove all of the voice lines in the cutscenes or you change them to sound more like their new selves, similar of how you did with the new Jaina the dreadlord in the cutscenes in mission 4.
One thing i liked and got me by surprise was the last cutscene and new mission with the king, i was just thinking what you were gonna do with the last cutscene since that one was the only animated cutscene that you cannot change unless you are a god at movie making and editing lol, so removing it all together and creating a normal one instead with in game gameplay as a cutscene was a nice idea, i liked it.
Having to fight the king with arthas was also a great idea, new things like this can help the campaign a lot by making it a little more fresh, this is exactly what the players want to see when they play custom campaigns.
Talking about the fight, this was the only mission where i actually died in the whole campaign
!!!Important: After i went back and did a few more tests i noticed something huge, i think i found out why the missions were so easy, basically even if you select hard difficulty before opening the campaign, the difficulty will switch back to normal after you finish the first mission, i found out this because it seemed weird that the blood mage in the second mission was only level 2, after i tested the mission again, selected hard difficulty, and started the second mission without going in the first mission, i found out that the blood mage is lvl 6 now instead of lvl 2 hmmmmmmmm
So this means that in order to play all missions on hard you have to exit the campaign after every mission and select hard and then select the mission you want to play, if you finish a mission and click continue, the next mission will always be on normal, yea, pretty bad glitch!
Overall this project of yours is very unique, interesting and pretty funny, it has a lot of potential!
I wish you the best in finishing this big Alternate war3 project! And also thanks for keeping the War3 custom maps/campaigns community alive!
My rating for this custom campaign is a B+
I can't fix the glitch since it's not mine. It's a bug in the game that changes the difficulty to normal instead of carrying it over. The reason why I used a command is so you don't see the difficulty each time you start a chapter. This way it's optional and with only 2 characters to type it's not that hard to check it.
Yes, you are right. This campaign requires 1.31. However, as I mentioned earlier on the following posts:
Get 1.31.1! There is no other way around it. I sometimes use things from the newer patches like the 12 new player colors, 2 new abilities and new triggers. So this may be the reason why it doesn't allow you to play. In mission 1 I used a newer trigger. If the game allowed to play it, the trigger wouldn't work, and it will be very awkward. Also, if you plan on playing this, you should start with Exodus of the Alliance as that is the first campaign story-wise.
Look in my post at the top of the page. Below the purple logo, there is red text with an orange link saying 1.31.1. Click the link and download from there.
