[Melee] WC3: Orcs & Humans v1.1.7

loktar · Dec 13, 2024

OutsiderXE said:
@loktar I went ahead and imported all your stuff into a campaign file without your permission. Please don't hit me

slap haha, go ahead. Maybe I should add the open source tag to the map because people can do with it what they want as far as I'm concerned (with proper credits etc).

OutsiderXE said:
edit: I have created a very crude map of the first mission. All objectives are working (but reduced to 3 farms instead of 6).

I have not written any dialogue yet. I think I will combine the first and second human missions into one, so there is a bit more story and gameplay involved.

That's really cool

Curious what you'll come up with.

What I had in mind (but will never make) is something along these lines, in a nutshell:
0. Opening cinematic similar but different to the original WC1 one. Something more modern and more in the style of WC3 cutscenes.
1. Human campaign, starting with reports of "strange creatures", and king Llane ordering Lothar to find out what they are, so Lothar scouts the Black Morass and fights the orcs.
2. Various missions of skirmishes against the orcs, orcs attack villages, invade territories, etc. Gavinrad the Dire comes into play at some point.
3. Human campaign ends with the siege of Stormwind, Lothar attacks the orcs from behind and wins the day.
4. Some sort of cinematic involving the Dark Portal, revealed for the first time to the player from the POV of the orcs, set immediately after the orcs' defeat at Stormwind.
5. Some story elements involving Gul'dan, Blackhand, Doomhammer etc. through various missions with battles against the humans on the way back to Stormwind.
6. Orc campaign ends with second siege of Stormwind, orcs are victorious.

I would have to really brush up on the lore to flesh it out and come up with actual missions/objectives/quests/etc. It would be a relatively short campaign I think, maybe 4-5 missions per race.

OutsiderXE · Dec 13, 2024

We have similar ideas regarding the human campaign The First War

I only want to avoid repeating The Last Guardian

loktar · Dec 13, 2024

OutsiderXE said:
We have similar ideas regarding the human campaign The First War

I only want to avoid repeating The Last Guardian

Wow, that is actually a perfect summary of what I would want a human first war campaign to be. Much better and more detailed than what I could come up with. As for The Last Guardian, I actually think it would be pretty cool if it overlapped with it in some places, this time from the POV of Lothar.

For the Orc campaign, I'm really not up to snuff with the lore, but I would want it to be set immediately after the failed siege of Stormwind, instead of being parallel to the human campaign.

OutsiderXE · Dec 13, 2024

Yes I agree with all that. For the Last Guardian Karazhan I have an idea. Ignore all the puzzles that happened in the last chapter and only show the intro (a bit changed if needed). There is a small section before meeting Medivh that is not shown in my campaign. That can be made bigger and filled with normal monsters. And then fight Medivh normally.

loktar · Dec 13, 2024

OutsiderXE said:
Yes I agree with all that. For the Last Guardian Karazhan I have an idea. Ignore all the puzzles that happened in the last chapter and only show the intro (a bit changed if needed). There is a small section before meeting Medivh that is not shown in my campaign. That can be made bigger and filled with normal monsters. And then fight Medivh normally.

That sounds good to me

If you're gonna take on this project, let me know if I can help.

deepstrasz · Dec 13, 2024

OutsiderXE said:
We have similar ideas regarding the human campaign The First War

So, it's the movie inspired as well I reckon. Not sure if Deathwing (since he appears in WcII, and especially the dragon shapeshifting thing which is a post WcII retcon) should be included. Hopefully no fel crap (as in the movie) and huge black box (where Aegwynn was locked/banished?) will be present, and especially no space goats xD. The Frost Wolf clan, if not present in the gameplay at all, also would be filler. I feel you could concentrate on the factions, events and characters which actually have something to do with the First War.
Just an opinion.

OutsiderXE · Dec 13, 2024

deepstrasz said:
So, it's the movie inspired as well I reckon. Not sure if Deathwing (since he appears in WcII, and especially the dragon shapeshifting thing which is a post WcII retcon) should be included. Hopefully no fel crap (as in the movie) and huge black box (where Aegwynn was locked/banished?) will be present, and especially no space goats xD. The Frost Wolf clan, if not present in the gameplay at all, also would be filler. I feel you could concentrate on the factions, events and characters which actually have something to do with the First War.
Just an opinion.

No, the movie will only be an inspiration in things that would absolutely not contradict the game lore, but from what I have right now the movie plays no role at all. I think the other custom campaign "The Beginning" already tries to blend games and movie. I try to make this campaign blend in with my own The Last Guardian without repeating too much.

I have revised the script to build up Medivh as one of the major antagonists for the human campaign. I've also started writing the orc missions, which will highlight internal struggles (Griselda, Frostwolves, Gul'dan) before attacking Stormwind The First War

OutsiderXE · Dec 13, 2024

I created a thread for the campaign, to not derail discussion on this melee project [Campaign] - The First War

loktar · Dec 24, 2024

I've been making a lot of very small updates recently (now up to 1.1.6g lol), sorry for the hassle to anyone following this

loktar · Jan 4, 2025

OMFG I just noticed some of the imports are corrupted... thanks a lot Blizzard for making the editor a flaming mess :/

loktar · Apr 5, 2025

Sorry for the triple post - I just wanted to thank everyone who has downloaded/played this map, and everyone who has reviewed/rated it! I never expected 1000+ downloads within a year, or such a high rating (4.5 as of this writing)!
This project took a long time and a lot of passion to complete, but at the moment I won't be updating it anymore for the foreseeable future.


Cleaving Strike The hero strikes with such force that he damages multiple enemies.	Concussive Strike The hero strikes with such force that he stuns the target.
Taunt Deals damage to and slows the movement speed and attack rate of nearby enemy land units.	War Stomp Slams the ground, stunning and damaging nearby enemy land units.
Devotion Aura Gives additional armor to nearby friendly units.	Endurance Aura Increases the movement speed and attack rate of nearby friendly units.
Battle Roar Requires Level 6 Gives nearby friendly units bonus attack damage.	War Cry Requires Level 6 Reduces attack damage of nearby enemy units.


Rend Wounds the target, which deals large initial damage, and then deals damage over time.	Deadly Poison Hurls a poisoned dagger which deals large initial damage, and then deals damage over time. The poisoned unit has its movement speed slowed for a short duration.
Rally Increases the movement speed of all nearby allied units to the maximum movement speed for a short duration.	Blinding Smoke Teleports the hero a short distance and blinds enemy units near the target.
Bash Gives a chance that an attack will do bonus damage and stun the target.	Evasion Gives a percent chance to avoid attacks.
Charge Requires Level 6 Removes negative buffs and increases movement and attack speed for a short duration.	Backstab Requires Level 6 Stabs a target enemy unit, causing damage. Damage is increased when the hero is behind the target.
	Shadow Meld Stops the unit from auto-acquiring enemies, allowing it to Shadowmeld and remain unseen at night.


Fireball Hurls a fiery ball that damages and stuns a target enemy unit.	Blaze A blaze of fire that ripples outward, causing damage to land units in a line.
Polymorph Turns a target enemy unit into a sheep. The targeted unit retains its hit points and armor, but cannot attack.	Life Drain Absorbs the life essence of a target enemy unit by taking hit points per second from it and giving them to the hero.
Brilliance Aura Gives additional mana regeneration to nearby friendly units.	Unholy Aura Increases nearby friendly units' movement speed and life regeneration rate.
Blizzard Requires Level 6 Calls down freezing ice shard waves; each wave deals damage to units in an area.	Conversion Requires Level 6 Converts a target enemy unit to the hero's team for a short duration.

1	Improved Lumber Harvesting Increases the amount of lumber that Peasants can carry.	Improved Gold Harvesting Increases the amount of gold that Peons can carry.
2	Advanced Lumber Harvesting Requires Blacksmith Further increases the amount of lumber that Peasants can carry.	Advanced Gold Harvesting *Requires Blacksmith* Further increases the amount of gold that Peons can carry.

1	Improved Masonry Increases the armor and hit points of Human buildings.	Improved Repairs Decreases repair cost and time.
2	Advanced Masonry *Requires Blacksmith* Further increases the armor and hit points of Human buildings.	Advanced Repairs *Requires Blacksmith* Further decreases repair cost and time.

1	Iron Melee Weapons Increases the attack damage of Footmen and Knights.	Iron Melee Weapons Increases the attack damage of Grunts and Raiders.
2	Steel Melee Weapons Further increases the attack damage of Footmen and Knights.	Steel Melee Weapons Further increases the attack damage of Grunts and Raiders.

1	Iron Plating Increases the armor of Footmen, Crossbowmen and Knights.	Iron Armor Increases the armor of Grunts, Spearmen and Raiders.
2	Steel Plating Further increases the armor of Footmen, Crossbowmen and Knights.	Steel Armor Further increases the armor of Grunts, Spearmen and Raiders.

1	Iron Bolts Requires Lumber Mill Increases the ranged attack damage of Crossbowmen.	Iron Spears Requires Lumber Mill Increases the ranged attack damage of Spearmen.
2	Steel Bolts Requires Lumber Mill Further increases the ranged attack damage of Crossbowmen.	Steel Spears Requires Lumber Mill Further increases the ranged attack damage of Spearmen.

1	Improved Horse Breeding Increases the movement speed of Knights.	Improved Wolf Breeding Increases the movement speed of Raiders.
2	Advanced Horse Breeding Requires Blacksmith Further increases the movement speed of Knights.	Advanced Wolf Breeding Requires Blacksmith Further increases the movement speed of Raiders.


Heal Heals a target friendly non-mechanical wounded unit.	Raise Dead Raises a skeleton from a corpse.
Far Sight Requires Cleric Adept Training Reveals the area of the map that it is cast upon. Also reveals invisible units.	Dark Vision Requires Necrolyte Adept Training Reveals the area of the map that it is cast upon. Also reveals invisible units.
Invisibility Requires Cleric Master Training Makes a unit invisible. If the unit attacks, uses an ability or casts a spell, it will become visible.	Unholy Armor Requires Necrolyte Master Training Makes a target unit invulnerable, at the cost of half the unit's hit points.
Holy Lance The pure essence of the caster's heart, mind, and soul strikes out to defend him from threat, and enters into the soul of the target.	Shadow Spear This weapon of darkness causes excruciating pain to those it strikes.

Requires Arcane Tower	Requires Doom Tower
Summon Scorpion Summons a poisonous scorpion.	Summon Spider Summons a poisonous spider.
Rain of Fire Requires Conjurer Adept Training Calls down waves of fire that damage units in an area.	Poison Cloud Requires Warlock Adept Training Creates a moving poisonous cloud,dealing damage to units and buildings.
Summon Water Elemental Requires Conjurer Master Training Summons a water elemental.	Summon Doom Guard Requires Warlock Master Training Marks a target unit for the manifestation of a Demon. The afflicted unit cannot cast spells and will take damage until it dies. Upon its death, a great Demon will spawn from its corpse. Cannot be dispelled or cancelled.
Elemental Blast A sphere of charged energy that issues forth from the hands, enabling the caster to strike an enemy from a great distance.	Fireball Channels flames through the caster's body, allowing the wielder to direct it as a missile at anyone he chooses.

1	Cleric Adept Training Increases Clerics' mana capacity, mana regenerationrate, hit points, and gives them the ability to cast Far Sight.	Necrolyte Adept Training Increases Necrolytes' mana capacity, mana regeneration rate, hit points, and gives them the ability to cast Dark Vision.
2	Cleric Master Training Requires Blacksmith Increases Clerics' mana capacity, mana regeneration rate, hit points, and gives them the ability to cast Invisibility.	Necrolyte Master Training Requires Blacksmith Increases Necrolytes' mana capacity, mana regeneration rate, hit points, and gives them the ability to cast Unholy Armor.

1	Conjurer Adept Training Requires Arcane Tower Increases Conjurers' mana capacity, mana regeneration rate, hit points, and gives them the ability to cast Rain of Fire.	Warlock Adept Training Requires Doom Tower Increases Warlocks' mana capacity, mana regeneration rate, hit points, and gives them the ability to cast Poison Cloud.
2	Conjurer Master Training Requires Blacksmith, Arcane Tower Increases Conjurers' mana capacity, mana regeneration rate, hit points, and gives them the ability to cast Summon Water Elemental.	Warlock Master Training Requires Blacksmith, Doom Tower Increases Warlocks' mana capacity, mana regeneration rate, hit points, and gives them the ability to cast Summon Doom Guard.

Artist	Usage	Models
AndrewOverload519	Human Catapult	Human Catapult
BaiyuGalan, kangyun, Ujimasa Hojo	Commander	Gavinrad the Dire merged into General (Gilneas, Horse Mount)
bakr	Battle Roar spell effect Battle Roar buff effect	Stormwind_RoarCaster Stormwind_RoarTarget
Callahan	Rend buff effect	Bleed effect
DREADMAN	Slime Minion Slime Monstrosity	SwampHorribleSlime SwampSlime ALT
HerrDave	Charge buff effect	Attack Buff
JetFangInferno	Poison Cloud	CloudOfFog
Tauer	Apprentice Assassin Champion Chieftain Sorcerer	Khadgar GaronaHalforcen Anduin Lothar (edited) Orgrim Doomhammer (edited) Cho'gall

Artist	Usage	Icons
AndrewOverload519	Human Catapult	BTNHumanCatapult
APproject	Holy Sight	BTNArcaneEye
Artork312	Cleric Conjurer Fireball Grunt Holy Lance Necrolyte Necrolyte Adept Training Necrolyte Master Training Peon Poison Cloud Raider Shadow Spear Skeleton Warrior/Raise Dead Slimes Spearman Unholy Armor Warlock Warlock Adept/Master Training	Warcraft: O&H Remastered - Cleric Warcraft: O&H Remastered - Conjurer Warcraft: O&H Remastered - Fireball Warcraft O&H Remastered - Grunt Warcraft: O&H Remastered - Holy Lance Warcraft: O&H Remastered - Necrolyte Necrolyte Adept Training Necrolyte Master Training Warcraft O&H Remastered - Peon Warcraft: O&H Remastered - Cloud of Poison Warcraft O&H Remastered - Raider Warcraft: O&H Remastered - Shadow Spear Warcraft O&H Remastered - The Dead Warcraft: O&H Remastered - Slime Warcraft O&H Remastered - Spearman Warcraft: O&H Remastered - Unholy Armor Warcraft: O&H Remastered - Warlock Warcraft O&H Remastered - Warlock Training
BaiyuGalan	Commander	Gavinrad The Dire
bu3ny	Far Sight	Human Far Sight
CRAZYRUSSIAN	Improved Gold Harvesting	BTNCR_H_O_Gold_Coins
DarkePacific, loktar	Cleric Adept/Master Training Conjurer Adept/Master Training	Cleric Training (WC1) Conjurer Training (WC1)
Destination9747	Unholy Sight	BTNSightBreak
komarovba	Improved/Advanced Repairs	Repair
Scias	Sorcerer	BTNCho'Gall
Sin'dorei300	Assassin	BTNGarona
stonneash	War Cry	OrcishSteroid
Sun gate	Arcane Fervor	Magic Fist
The Panda	Advanced Gold Harvesting War Stomp	BTNGoldPile BTNBash
TheHuntress	Improved/Advanced Horse Breeding	Horse Upgrade
8512590215848	Clerical Faith	BTNPray
Warcraft I: Remastered	Iron Armor Iron Bolts Iron Melee Weapons Iron Plating Iron Spears Steel Armor Steel Bolts Steel Melee Weapons Steel Plating Steel Spears	Warcraft I icons (wiki)
World of Warcraft	Apprentice Backstab Blinding Smoke Charge Concussive Strike Conversion Deadly Poison Demonic Fervor Evasion Improved/Advanced Wolf Breeding Rain of Fire Rend Scorpion	Khadgar Backstab (WoW) Vanish (WoW) Charge Hammer of Wrath Mind Mastery / Conversion (WoW) Deadly Poison Demonic Fortitude Evasion Wolf Rain of Fire BTNAbility_Gouge Scorpion / Scorpid

Human	Orc	Creeps
Arcane Tower (WC1 Human Tower) Champion icons Cleric (WC1) Conjurer (WC1) Crossbowman (WC1 Archer) Footman (WC1) Footman (WC1) icon Human Altars Human Barracks (WC1) Human Blacksmith (WC1) Human Farm (WC1) Human Lumber Mill (WC1) Knight (WC1) Knight (WC1) icon Peasant (WC1) Scorpion Stables (WC1) Town Hall (WC1)	Altar of Blood (WC1) Chieftain icon Dark Vision icon Doom Tower (WC1 Orc Tower) Great Hall (WC1) Grunt (WC1) Kennel (WC1) Necrolyte (WC1) Orc Barracks (WC1) Orc Blacksmith (WC1) Orc Catapult (WC1) Orc Farm (WC1) Orc Lumber Mill (WC1) Peon (WC1) Raider (WC1) Spearman (WC1) Warlock (WC1)	Ogre (WC1) Ogre Lord (WC1)

[Melee] WC3: Orcs & Humans v1.1.7

Town Hall/Great Hall

Farm

Altar of Light/Altar of Blood

Barracks

Lumber Mill

Blacksmith

Stables/Kennel

Church/Temple

Arcane Tower/Doom Tower

Peasant/Peon

Champion/Chieftain

Commander/Assassin

Apprentice/Sorcerer

Footman/Grunt

Crossbowman/Spearman

Knight/Raider

Catapult

Lumber/Gold Harvesting

Masonry/Repairs

Melee Weapons

Armor

Ranged Weapons

Horse Breeding/Wolf Breeding

Cleric/Necrolyte

Conjurer/Warlock

Cleric Training/Necrolyte Training

Conjurer Training/Warlock Training

Slowing Poison

Arcane Fervor/Demonic Fervor

Holy Sight/Unholy Sight

Clerical Faith/Skeletal Longevity

Models

Icons

My resources

WC3: Orcs & Humans (Turtle Rock) (Map)

WC3: Orcs & Humans (The Two Rivers) (Map)

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