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[Anachron]

I want more feedback ):

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

I don't believe in feedback in contests. It's your own mind that needs to do the thinking. I won't take feedback on my entry's content. Not exactly cheating, but atleast twisting of what YOU, yourself. do.

 

[Kercyn]

You can always use other people's advice...

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

CAN - yes. but i don't like it in contests.

 

[Kercyn]

Whatever you prefer. One question. I want to use teh almighty spellbook, does it count as a spell? I want to give a 2-second Wind Walk, but I want to make it like a buff, so that the player may not activate it. I thought of hiding it inside a spellbook and activate it whenever I want.

 

[Pyritie]

I don't believe in feedback in contests. It's your own mind that needs to do the thinking. I won't take feedback on my entry's content. Not exactly cheating, but atleast twisting of what YOU, yourself. do.

Well one of the main reasons for entering a contest is to get feedback

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

Not necessarily. I'm glad to recieve feedback on my project, when it's finished, but not in the making (unless it's bugs) forgot to make this a little clearer before. Other than that, i find that contests, in 'the arena' is where you go, when you HAVE acquired your skills, and want to put them to the test.

That's my view on contests.

 

[Anachron]

To good that everybody has his own opinion.

 

[Maker]

@Gamecrafter_DK

At least fix those leaks, it takes little to no effort and you won't score many points with your coding with your current triggers.

 

[Freyleyes]

Here is my first WIP

Edit : Its not yet approved, so ill wait till then.

Edit : Ok, its working now.

 

[Pyritie]

Those projectiles seem pretty damn big, you might want to make them smaller or spread as much

 

[DevilDuke1995]

Herez one spell ive come up with ive got another idea but gonna JASS it tomorrow.

Oh whats a WIP?

EDIT: These are all the systems i wanna use, are they ok?

 

[Catch_ya]

Oh whats a WIP?

WIP stands for "Working in progress" in this case a WIP is a map for the hero contest which ain't finished yet. It is for claiming that you made it.

 

[DevilDuke1995]

WIP stands for "Working in progress" in this case a WIP is a map for the hero contest which ain't finished yet. It is for claiming that you made it.

Oh it says a WIP must be posted before the deadline...

I read submission must be posted a WIP before the deadline...

 

[Kingz]

I thought you only needed to post the screenshots of your work not the map itself.


Is there someone in this thread who can explain this further?

 

[Cr34p]

screenshots should be enough

 

[Pyritie]

screenshots are usually enough but it's good to keep WIPs anyway incase anyone accuses you of theft

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

I also did scrshots on my final post

 

[Kingz]

And posting the map is a nice way for idea ripoff

I am sticking to screenshots, if WIP in the form of maps are needed i will send them to judges via PM.

Should be enough.

 

[Catch_ya]

What about saving a WIP map for the end of the competition? Then if someone say THIEF HAX! Then you could just post your WIP map.

 

[The Reborn Devil]

Recordings also work if you don't want to post the map (if you think someone will steal or copy your code).

 

[krisserz]

If I want to use knockback I have to write new one?

 

[Catch_ya]

Recordings also work if you don't want to post the map (if you think someone will steal or copy your code).

Everyone wanna steal my "1mba haX c0d1ng of p0weRz".

 

[Freyleyes]

^^ Nope, you can use an existing one

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

Here is my map. It is far from complete View attachment Infernos spellpack (1).w3x

 

[Catch_ya]

Here is my map. It is far from complete View attachment 78007

Lol? Infernos spellpack?

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

No idea for name. I will edit it and add Hero Contest #3 later when i finish spellpack.
EDIT: Test it, and say what you think if you want... second spell has 99 chance to knockout and enemy because it is in progress.

 

[Catch_ya]

No idea for name. I will edit it and add Hero Contest #3 later when i finish spellpack.
EDIT: Test it, and say what you think if you want... second spell has 99 chance to knockout and enemy because it is in progress.

Hehe just reminded me of this: spellpack

 

[ronojales]

*yey exams is done, so i'm back to this contest*

im getting frustrated my Dancing Flames is not working right. hahaha. but i'll post a WIP as soon as i get this thing working. it's supposed to be "dancing", but no, it's not. XD

 

[Vakama_Lynx]

My WIP entry:
(about 30% done)

 

[Anachron]

Give me more critique please.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

You may post a 'finished' spell pack as a WIP. Go for it, do what you think you want, and then post it. i want my testing time to be worthwhile, THEN i'll do it.

 

[Pharaoh_]

Anachron, I will do the review
Since I had been testing Hero Suggestions for DotA, I can pretty much tell even from tooltips how good/balanced the hero can be.

So,
1) Capsulation is a lovely spell. The paused health and mana regeneration as an effect is something we've seen already, but seperately, as a spell against the standard Warcraft III spells, it definitely adds a new twist. The effects are maybe overdone and might not need to be together. I don't really know how the "can't react on any user order" is going to be coded/applied, but, since you already stun the units, the units already stay idle, so, unless that line refers to the previously mentioned "stun", I see no reason why you should add that additional twist. Generally, the concept is fine, and I need to inform you that it reminds me of one of my spells (one line only - the collect energy per damage part).

Aura of Frost - Again, many effects, especially for an aura. It's good to use the UnitsInRange, but manipulate it with a better way. An aura that boosts magic reduction to ally units is definitely some concept we haven't seen in default Warcraft III and generally, the whole magic resistance was not worked enough. The thing is that it provides damage, freeze, magic immunity, damage deflection (if it's a unit with mana). So, your concept is making an aura that targets enemies and allies at the same time. Now, this is what you should stick with, not an overuse of multiple effects.

Frost shock is a great spell for increasing the level of the gameplay, but a rather dull one. For my taste and my way of playing, it's one of those spells that I would level up last. The name is unoriginal, although it follows the unoriginal pattern of Blizzard, which is a good thing. Plus, with the general concept, you already have a freezing slow from Aura of Frost, which means that you are now getting a bit off the limits = overpowered. You should try to find additional effects frost does. Use your imagination, frost shouldn't only slow or freeze, it could also...?

Chain of Frost - Some spells in Warcraft III have a different spell name than their buff, but this happens only when that buff is globally used, meaning in other spells too. So, this specific buff, called "Frost Enchanted" should accompany the ability's name: Chain of Frost. The spell is way overpowered, because it adds damage all the time, on units that have already been affected by the spell. In addition to your other two slowing spells (that they both deal damage) and your other spell, Capsulation, which is a damage amplifier (doubles damage), you would end up killing a huge pool of units around you. So, in a melee map, the wave of units a player takes to travel/explore the map/invade your base, will likely die just before the presence of your hero.

Your hero is focusing too much on the standard values of offensive spells: damage and slow. The idea is not really original and generally, even though some spells of the melee maps are overpowered, e.g. that Polymorph of the Sorceress, most spells are really balanced. If you consider the fact that Thunderclap deals only 140 damage and 50% slow for 3 seconds on level 3, you will realize that you need to nerf some effects down. The concept of ice is something we mostly see around modding communities, so, don't really ask me how I feel about it. Of course it does have some potential, but I really believe you focus too much on the coding part than the concept.

 

[Kingz]

I wonder if anyone will try to make a hero from this.

@Anachron

Combining capsulation + aura sounds like a win-win situation.

You gain energy when someone damages you, they get frozen, a part of the damage is absorbed and if someone damages it too much they get stunned + blinded.

So if i cast this on a shadow hunter while he is in big bad voodoo, they are forced to focus him, but the aura + capsulation pwns them

Also there is a fact that shadow hunter + your hero can simply devastate any major force.
Shadow hunter grabs an potion of invulnerability, uses it + big bad vodoo, you throw frost shock, capsulate shadow hunter and cast your ultimate and i can sense their army is dead somewhere about when the shadow hunter dies because he got focused.

This is a scenario with only 2 heroes, throw in that if your ally is a human and it is gg(holy light + inner fire + heal on shadow hunter and enemies are done for).

Anyway my 2 bits on the strategy which could be used if your hero was in a melee game.

EDIT:

Oh wait, enemies suffer double damage after the capsulation explodes?

Go go chain frost ownage.

 

[DevilDuke1995]

Judges are the systems used in my WIP in page 25 ok?

 

[Anachron]

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Ofcourse, it will be a lot of slow + dmg and effect, but I will highly decrease them.
They will be strong on combination, but kinda balanced else.

By the way, the ultimative is NOT imba at all.
They will only get a few dmg more and the chain will also deal some damage only.
And also its a channeling spell.

 

[Cr34p]

Judges are the systems used in my WIP in page 25 ok?

yeah those scripts seem to be fine

 

[Kingz]

Double damage is double damage my friend, if an blademaster goes windwalk, and goes into a large group of enemies, reveals himself and they start attacking him, the stun goes off, he starts his whirlwind => certain death to nearby enemies.

 

[Darkmoon Hero]

Just thought I'd say so before it's too late, I've decided to withdraw from the contest. Good luck with your projects, everyone.

 

[Duruka]

Well I think this is pretty much my final entry, I don't see anything else I can do with it...If there's anything major that needs to be fixed, let me know please.
Also, can I use this hero in a campaign I want to make now, or should I wait until the contest is done?

I know it's not a great hero, but this was the best I could do...

 

[The Reborn Devil]

Well I think this is pretty much my final entry, I don't see anything else I can do with it...If there's anything major that needs to be fixed, let me know please.
Also, can I use this hero in a campaign I want to make now, or should I wait until the contest is done?

I know it's not a great hero, but this was the best I could do...

You can put the hero in the campaign, but then you can't release the campaign before the contest is over.

 

[Duruka]

Well, I won't be releasing anytime soon, I just started the first map.

 

[Pharaoh_]

Guys, for the sake of testing purposes, before we flood ourselves with maps, bearing the same name, place your nick(name) as a suffix to map's name, for practical issues.

Edit: Duruka, your hero's ultimate has Targets allowed to your units, but you have no ally units in your test map.
What is more, one of your abilities has "A" as the hotkey, which is a key used for the default "Attack" and cannot be overwritten.

 

[Duruka]

Oh, forgot to add friendly units
And I'll change the hotkey, I never pay attention to hotkeys in game so I wouldn't know...I'll add the updated map in a few minutes.

Edit: Changed hotkeys, added friendly units. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[Vakama_Lynx]

WIP #2
Whirlpool seems to work now.. And synergy turned out to be really nice.

Whirlpool somewhere+Tsunami Charge into enemy lines (while slowing them in the process with Tidal Pull) = Whirlpool sure hit.

Can I have constructive feedback now? D:

 

[ronojales]

wait, just want to make it clear.. is recoloring icons alright or not?

 

[Maker]

@Duruka:

*Fix leaks
*Get rid of wait
*Don't use specific unit, use event responses

 

[Mephestrial]

@Ronojales:

wait, just want to make it clear.. is recoloring icons alright or not?

Are you submitting them to the Icons section? If not, then yes they are alright.

 

[Pharaoh_]

WIP #2
Whirlpool seems to work now.. And synergy turned out to be really nice.

Whirlpool somewhere+Tsunami Charge into enemy lines (while slowing them in the process with Tidal Pull) = Whirlpool sure hit.

Can I have constructive feedback now? D:

You think that by converting your GUI trigger into Custom script will actually enhance your coding "look"? It's so easy to understand that that custom script is conversion. Now provide us with your GUI function, because you'll receive a really low score in Coding.

I love your Tsunami spell by the way; the morph animation gives it a great twist, no matter how simple the spell is.

 

[Duruka]

@Duruka:

*Fix leaks
*Get rid of wait
*Don't use specific unit, use event responses

I'll get rid of wait and specific unit events. Also, what are the leaks you told me to fix?