Turtle Rock - New Tavern Heroesv.0.8.1

[Kyrbi0]

I love Heroes, and this is very similar to a couple of my own projects, so I have nothing but congratulations for you on finishing it & releasing it! It can be quite daunting, but you've done lots of work, obviously, and it's rather impressive!

I haven't had the chance to check it out yet, but I hope to (eventually...). In the mean-time, a few words on what you've presented in the post:

- Overall, your English is pretty good, but could definitely use some practice.
- Many of your tooltips could use some clarity, & some focus. Describing the spell in a more straightforward, rather than flowery/poetic, manner.
- I really rather like the sound of your Burning Ancient hero, & your Dwarf hero. I would suggest, however, always putting Passives (including Auras) into the 3rd slot; Blizzard did this, presumably because it helps avoid misclicking & hitting the Ultimate when you don't want to.
- Love the "flying mode"; that's a solid Ultimate idea. What's his model, though (just the standard Gryphon, with hero glow?)
- wai no trolls laaaaaaame
;D

Good luck!

 

[Tharifas]

I love Heroes, and this is very similar to a couple of my own projects, so I have nothing but congratulations for you on finishing it & releasing it! It can be quite daunting, but you've done lots of work, obviously, and it's rather impressive!

I haven't had the chance to check it out yet, but I hope to (eventually...). In the mean-time, a few words on what you've presented in the post:

- Overall, your English is pretty good, but could definitely use some practice.
- Many of your tooltips could use some clarity, & some focus. Describing the spell in a more straightforward, rather than flowery/poetic, manner.
- I really rather like the sound of your Burning Ancient hero, & your Dwarf hero. I would suggest, however, always putting Passives (including Auras) into the 3rd slot; Blizzard did this, presumably because it helps avoid misclicking & hitting the Ultimate when you don't want to.
- Love the "flying mode"; that's a solid Ultimate idea. What's his model, though (just the standard Gryphon, with hero glow?)
- wai no trolls laaaaaaame
;D

Good luck!

Thank you for your kind words! It was in fact a lot of work, but most of it was just learning how to use triggers, I am a complete noob with the WE, I was small kid when WCIII came out and I only got into online playing and map making recently, so I have tons of things to learn (for example, this map is filled with disabled spellbooks to hide abities, and when it was almost finished I learnt that I could just set the position of the icon to 0,-11 and I'd save myself the trouble [I will update the map to remove all of those spellboks and make everything cleaner, but I wanted to get som feedback first and get a bunch of things done at the same time instead of just updating 1000 times with each thing])

-About the English... you mean specific spelling/gramar mistakes or just general sentence/paragraph structure?

-Tooltips and ability position are different in-game. I tried to embelish it a little for the post because "deals x damage +y time of debuff" seemed a little dull, but I understand what you mean, it makes it more difficult to understand. There are a couple heroes who have active abilities on the third spot so I'll change them and update the map rright now, that's a neat detail that I didn't realise, I did notice that the auras were always in third position, but I didn't pick up on the other passives being there as well. Thanks!

-The model for the flying version of the Dwarve Heroe is a Kurdran model that downloaded a while ago, whose author I've not been able to find . If you know who made it please let me know so I can add him to the credits [right now there are two models that I haven't been able to credit, this one and the "Eye of Kilrogg" model, they are both listed as "uncredited" in the post, I'll google a bit later to see if I can find them, but they weren't on hive so I don't exactly remember where I found them]

-I have a couple of troll heroes designed on paper, for future projects, in fact I have a lot of things designed on paper, but it takes a lot of work. The idea is to build on top of this map and continue adding heroes, units etc. to make new races (but I felt that it was way too ambitious for me and balancing multiple races would make me insane when I barely know how to use the WE). I'll probably release a few more maps with different tilesets and heroes, and when I feel more confident I'll work on that behemoth of an idea.



Thank you for commenting! Once you try it I would appreciate some feedback on the balance, if you have some advice (I feel like I have to nerf a lot of stuff, because when in doubt, I didn't want my heroes to feel "useless" so I tipped the balance in their favour).

Have fun with it once you get to try it!


EDIT: Already uploaded the map with the passives in the third spot, and fixed some typos, spelling mistakes and hotkeys. Also added Changelog to the post.

 

[deepstrasz]

1. Change the filename length as the map might not be seen ingame.
2. Fix the hero descriptions. Some either contain broken/badly written words or words in another language than English like "y".

3. Not sure if Infestation is a balanced spell since it creates blight which can be exploited by the Undead in many ways like building towers and blocking the building of non-Undead buildings.
4. Does Battlethirst actually heal the exact amount of damage taken? If so, that's kind of a big problem for 45 seconds. You're kind of forced to ignore that hero and he can easily get away.
5. Conjure the Dead has words in Espnol in the description.
6. Lord of Reins' learn ability box is closed/cancelled when he attacks or kills a unit.
7. I suggest a temporary effect for the Lord of Reins' flying ability.
8. I think Ritual Sacrifice could be a bit faster.

There is effort and quality work here.

Approved.

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[Tharifas]

1. Change the filename length as the map might not be seen ingame.
2. Fix the hero descriptions. Some either contain broken/badly written words or words in another language than English like "y".

3. Not sure if Infestation is a balanced spell since it creates blight which can be exploited by the Undead in many ways like building towers and blocking the building of non-Undead buildings.
4. Does Battlethirst actually heal the exact amount of damage taken? If so, that's kind of a big problem for 45 seconds. You're kind of forced to ignore that hero and he can easily get away.
5. Conjure the Dead has words in Espnol in the description.
6. Lord of Reins' learn ability box is closed/cancelled when he attacks or kills a unit.
7. I suggest a temporary effect for the Lord of Reins' flying ability.
8. I think Ritual Sacrifice could be a bit faster.

There is effort and quality work here.

Approved.

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1. It shows for me, but ok.
2. I'll review all text to check for those mistakes, that's kind of embarrasing.
3. Maybe reducing the area would help prevent those exploits?. The whole point of the ability is to create blight to make expanding easier for UD, so I would like to keep it that way. Or maybe make the blight dissappear after x amount of time has passed, so if you don't expand or use it just for a momentary regeneration boost you don't end up with a map full of blight. I guess in bigger maps it wouldn't be such a big deal, but you're right, in TR it definitely is.
4. It heals 25 HP per hit, and the Hero does not take damage. But yeah, it forces to ignore the hero, and he can taunt to avoid that and still get attacked (for a bit more mana), but Paladin gets 45s of invulnerability, for less mana, and it's not an ultimate, so I think is balanced, but if people say it's not I'll reduce the time, the hp per hit, or both.
5. Oversight. Will translate immediately.
6. That's... weird, will look into it. It may be because of the Inspire ability, when he kills anything, an ability is added (for damage bonus) and that closes the learning window? If so, it should happen to other heros around. I'll test and try to come up with a solution.
7. I thought about it, wanted to see what people thought before making it temporay.
8. Faster? I think that would be broken. The ability makes 100 damage per second, and it channels for as many seconds as levels the sacrificed unit has. For example, if you sacrifice a mountain giant, which is level 6, that's 600 damage to everything around. It is slow to give a chance to interrupt it, if it was faster Any unit trying to interupt probably would die before getting to the channeling hero. I mean, I'll try to get people to play it and test to see if it's to slow to be efective, but making it faster feels like it would just rip through an entire army without much possibility of stopping it.


Thank you for taking the time to review it! Tonight I'll update a version with fixed text and I'll try to fix the Lord of Reins issue. The balance changes, though, I think I'll wait to get more feedback before changing that. Except maybe reducing the blight area.

 

[deepstrasz]

Or maybe make the blight dissappear after x amount of time has passed

Yeah, I was thinking of that too.

4. It heals 25 HP per hit, and the Hero does not take damage. But yeah, it forces to ignore the hero, and he can taunt to avoid that and still get attacked (for a bit more mana), but Paladin gets 45s of invulnerability, for less mana, and it's not an ultimate, so I think is balanced, but if people say it's not I'll reduce the time, the hp per hit, or both.

Yeah, you're right. I totally forgot about the Paladin's Divine Shield. But, mention the exact amount of HP he regains in the spell's description.

6. That's... weird, will look into it. It may be because of the Inspire ability, when he kills anything, an ability is added (for damage bonus) and that closes the learning window? If so, it should happen to other heros around. I'll test and try to come up with a solution.

It's not really an issue. But, I report any sort of abnormalities.

8. Faster? I think that would be broken. The ability makes 100 damage per second, and it channels for as many seconds as levels the sacrificed unit has. For example, if you sacrifice a mountain giant, which is level 6, that's 600 damage to everything around.

Ouch. Alright then. Don't remember exactly but is that hero highlighted? It can become dangerous not seeing him in the midst of battle.

The balance changes, though, I think I'll wait to get more feedback before changing that.

Sure thing.

 

[Tharifas]

Yeah, I was thinking of that too.

Yeah, you're right. I totally forgot about the Paladin's Divine Shield. But, mention the exact amount of HP he regains in the spell's description.

It's not really an issue. But, I report any sort of abnormalities.

Ouch. Alright then. Don't remember exactly but is that hero highlighted? It can become dangerous not seeing him in the midst of battle.

Sure thing.

Updated with translation and spelling fixed. There's probably still something I missed, but I tried to install an English version of the game just to check the map and see if some of the default text wasn't translating but I wasn't able to.
Also added a big, bright special effect to the Ritual Sacrifice Caster as to make him more visible during the battle, and while testing this, I realised that sacrificing a Mountain giant meant 600 damage per unit in 6 seconds, which is quite a lot, so I halved the damage per second and prolonged the channeling time, making it 50 damage per second/[twice the level of the unit] seconds (so 4s for a footman (200 damage), 10 for a tauren (500 damage), 12 for a mountain giant (600 damage) etc.).

 

[Panda]

Very cool, love the heros.. nice work.

 

[Tharifas]

Very cool, love the heros.. nice work.

Thanks!

 

[Tharifas]

Too good to be true. Fantastic set of heroes, Tharifas.

Thank you! You are too kind ^^

 

[Unregret]

Thank you! You are too kind ^^

You are welcome.

 

[MogulKahn]

An interesting idea, for sure. I like what I am seeing here. Keep it up mate!

 

[nightelfbuilder]

I really love the concept of having new heroes in the tavern I especially like the "Induce Madness" spell. Good job and keep it up excited to see more maps from you.

 

[Tharifas]

I really love the concept of having new heroes in the tavern I especially like the "Induce Madness" spell. Good job and keep it up excited to see more maps from you.

Thank you! I kinda stopped for a while because of studies, so they'll be few and far between, but I'd like to make more. Hopefully with bigger changes, but my programming skills aren't that great haha.

 

[SadisticLeprechaun]

Awesome stuff! Merging with some other heroes from another mod, almost done Warlock is very fun.

 

[SadisticLeprechaun]

I added the heroes (just from your map) to a few other maps, so I thought I would share in case you want them (to OP)

Turtle Rock Heroes Maps | HIVE

 

[Tharifas]

I added the heroes (just from your map) to a few other maps, so I thought I would share in case you want them (to OP)

Turtle Rock Heroes Maps | HIVE

Glad you liked them enough to do that!

I've been wanting to update the map with the new patches, being able to have several buffs based on the same spell would remove half of my garbage code hahaha!

Unfortunately I don't have much time.


If you want to upload those maps on your own, or if you want me to upload them to this entry as a bundle I'd be happy to give you permission/do it myself

 

[SadisticLeprechaun]

They are there if you like, sure thing. I can add it to a few more maps, lmk if you plan on updating and I will wait. It only takes like 5 min a map with mpq editor program. Any personal favorite maps?