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Melee Mapping Contest #4 - Poll

Discussion in 'Poll Depository' started by mafe, Apr 26, 2019.

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Cast your vote up to 5 entries: (READ THE RULES below before voting)

Poll closed May 11, 2019.
  1. Lordaeron Plaza by XanderD

    21.4%
  2. Hillsbrad Creek by Mr.Henci

    50.0%
  3. Overgrown Center by DuckDuckGoose

    7.1%
  4. The Consortium by Keito

    25.0%
  5. Vile Reef by JaleVeliki

    39.3%
  6. Stairs of Destiny by Ragnaros17

    14.3%
  7. King and Country by Meerel

    35.7%
  8. Forgotten Halls by mmtt

    14.3%
  9. Veilswamp by Khaldaiel

    3.6%
  10. Bandit's City by Rockstar356

    21.4%
  11. The Time Gates by Twilight

    14.3%
  12. Terrace Fields by Nudl9

    21.4%
  13. Underground Oasis by Blood Raven

    25.0%
  14. Venture Co. Shipyards by sentrywiz

    3.6%
  15. Westfall Adventure by FranzVader_CZ

    17.9%
  16. Guardians by Arrr

    14.3%
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  1. mafe

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    2 vs 2

    Create a 2v2 melee map that excels in balance, terrain and creativity, while being suitable for Warcraft III Reforged.

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    • Each user can only vote once in the poll, but you can vote for up to 5 maps.
    • Judges can't vote in the public poll.
    • You cannot vote for yourself. If a voter has the same IP as the author then the vote will not be counted and it may result in the disqualification of the entry.
    • You cannot create multiple accounts to vote for an entry in the poll. If a voter has been found to be using multiple accounts none of the voters votes will count in the final result.
    • You cannot bribe users for votes. Contestants who break this rule will be disqualified and given negative reputation.
    • You cannot invite friends to vote strictly for you in the poll.

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    • 1st place: 50 reputation points and €50 through paypal.
    • 2nd place: 30 reputation points and €20 through paypal.
    • 3rd place: 20 reputation points and €10 through paypal.
    • Judge: 25 reputation points

    The three winners will receive an award icon, representing the winning entry.


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    Balance: Is the map balanced for both teams? Are the positions and distance between points of interest fair? Does the map allow the 4 races to be balanced? Consider balance when implementing the pathing, resources, creep camps, and item drops. 50/100
    Terrain: Is the map visually pleasing in mediums of terrain, doodad placement, and overall theme? Is the map repetitive? Is the aesthetic well designed but not overly obstructive? 35/100
    Creativity & Uniqueness: Does the map bring something new or creative to the table? This should primarily refer to gameplay, but terrain may also be included. 15/100
    Bugs: Scores may be brought down if there are bug-like issues such as faulty pathing, unusable resources, etc.

    • 80% of the winner shall be determined by the contest's appointed judges.
    • 20% of the winner shall be determined by the results of a public poll.
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    • The public poll will conclude on May 12th.
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    The contest thread can be found here: Melee Mapping Contest #4 - 2v2
    A zip file with all entries can be downloaded below.

    Big thanks to anyone helping to organize this contest, in particular @Naze , @Mr.Henci and @XanderD
     

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  2. XanderD

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    In the mapping thread for this contest I created a table with some numbers for the 2v2 maps already in use (on ladder and in the 2v2 Ugri Challenge earlier this year), so I made a table with the same information for the contest maps:
    map name tileset longitudinal latitudinal size green orange red creeps total creep levels levels per camp expansions gold
    Bandit's City Dalaran 108 108 11664 12 8 2 86 246 11.182 4 108000
    Forgotten Halls Underground 148 120 17760 8 17 5 124 453 15.100 7 175000
    Guardians Ashenvale 118 118 13924 16 14 2 116 358 11.188 8 154000
    Hillsbrad Creek Lordaeron 128 128 16384 12 12 4 112 368 13.143 4 102000
    King and Country Village 112 112 12544 12 14 4 132 392 13.067 8 160000
    Lordaeron Plaza Cityscape 150 148 22200 8 22 2 142 414 12.938 6 135000
    Overgrown Center Cityscape 144 144 20736 8 26 4 146 554 14.579 4 100000
    Stairs of Destiny Black Citadel 144 116 16704 16 16 4 148 430 11.944 8 132000
    Terrace Fields Village 148 84 12432 5 17 4 110 369 14.192 4 112000
    The Consortium Outland 118 118 13924 8 12 0 76 226 11.300 4 104000
    The Time Gates Ashenvale 148 116 17168 10 22 4 165 482 13.389 4 120000
    Underground Oasis Sunken Ruins 116 152 17632 6 18 4 124 392 14.000 4 110000
    Veilswamp Felwood 130 131 17030 6 12 7 118 419 16.760 5 118000
    Venture Co. Shipyards Village 128 128 16384 38 22 14 316 858 11.595 10 240000
    Vile Reef Sunken Ruins 134 132 17688 14 16 4 138 444 13.059 8 140000
    Westfall Adventure Village Fall 124 124 15376 12 16 4 136 420 13.125 4 100000
    A_V_E_R_A_G_E 131.125 123.688 16221.880 11.938 16.500 4.25 136.813 426.563 13.160 5.750 131875
    Average of maps in use 119.294 119.412 14385.882 9.882 15.000 2.412 108.706 353.000 12.934 6.059 129000
     
  3. Meerel

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    good luck to all competitors :)

    Edit: are you going to post this thread on reddit to get more attention ?
     
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  4. mafe

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    I will post it there if noone else is faster in the next hours.
    @XanderD has already linked this thread in at least in the back2warcraft discord. Thanks!
     
  5. Ragnaros17

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    @mafe, is imposible to see wich users votes each entry,


    Melee Mapping contest #3 - Poll

    in previous contest, votes where public, I could know who votes my entry, I want to know my fans XD

    in this way votes are secret.

    I know there is an option when you create the poll that allows to see the users that vote.

    I am ok with the poll as it is, but well maybe Naze can make the votes public.
     
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  6. mafe

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    Yes, apparently I made a mistake when creating the poll. Hopefully naze can fix this, but we should give him some time to react. If not, we will either continue with this poll or recreate a new one, though this would mean that those who have voted already will need to do it again.

    But for some good news: I'm planning to gather a few people to play some test games and have them streamed. If all goes well, there should be a stream tonight on the twitch channel of BaronVonSG: Twitch
    Obviously, we cant play all the maps in one go, but I'm optimistic that we will get to play each map at least once while I'm working on my reviews. VODs should be available on twitch if you cant catch the stream live.
     
  7. Ragnaros17

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    Agree with you
    Hope Naze can help us to make the user votes "visible and public", taggin him.

    @Naze
     
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  8. mafe

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    Live on Twitch for now
    Twitch hi2haco joined us
    Now added the replays from today. Obviously, we didnt get to play every single map, but I'm planning to continue soon.
     

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    Had a lot of fun playing the maps tonight guys, I enjoyed all the games, My favourites were Vile Reef and Hillsbrad Creek.
     
  10. Ragnaros17

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    thanks @mafe for link and zip
    and thanks for all the guys that did the beta test.
     
  11. mafe

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    VoDs available too:
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    Twitch (Starting around 3:45).
     
  12. Naze

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    Nice!

    Well it seems you guys got around the problem, right? Now I can see the results without having to vote.

    Poll is moved to the main Arena lobby. The green notice on top will be up soon. I announced this poll in the contests channel of our Hive Discord.
     
  13. deepstrasz

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    You can because you're a mod, maybe. I can't see who voted what but only the vote number.
     
  14. Meerel

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    maybe i should have changed those creepcamps after all :D
     
  15. Naze

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    Thanks, that's what I needed to know.

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    Yep, I couldn't help avoiding it: the poll has been reset. Because of it the duration has been reset to 2 weeks again, but starting from today. Hopefully the loss wasn't so big because the poll has been up since yesterday.

    @Meerel @XanderD @Cepheid and @Ragnaros17 you and others are welcome to vote again if you voted in this poll before the reset.
     
  16. XanderD

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    It wasn't me. And I don't intend to vote at all - I also didn't vote in the previous contest.
     
  17. Ragnaros17

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    thanks for fixing, I didnt vote either just in case of a reset, and still deciding the top 5 of all maps.
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    I want to say that now votes can be seen perfectly and well, few loss, 4-5 votes no big deal. great it was fixed

    thanks Naze
     
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  18. Rockstar356

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    I had already voted before the reset
    I will vote again then
     
  19. Ragnaros17

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    Well I think I decided my top 5 of maps, I want to say in a very very subjetive way.

    For my votes I used Restor Method.
    Open 1 map look at it and put it in place 1, open a second map. compare it, and decide if goes as 1st or 2nd.
    open another map, if IMO is not better than 2nd, 3rd place, if is better than second compare against 1, and so on.

    To decide, I consider mostly
    - neutrals positions/distribution, creeps levels and aggro.
    - goldmine expandings options.
    - Early play options and overall game options.
    - This time I almost didnt consider enviroment. I know is like 35 % score, but I think in general tile mix and doodad use are well done, but I do penaliced flat terrain and monotile terrain.
    - in some cases I used items to un-tie maps, for the last 5th post wich like 3-4 maps could go there. (also I saw the items pretty much wise used, that why I wanted to avoid nit pick between items loots, I use creeps types/skills and levels before fall in items).

    So my top 5 in alphabetic order (not score order)

    -Guardians by Arrr
    -Hillbrad Creek by Mr.Henci.
    -Lordaeron Plaza by XanderD.
    -The Consortium by Keito.
    -Vile Reef by Jaleveliki.

    Also I want to mention that included in my top 8, and maps that was hard to me to decide for the 5th place, these ones could have been in my 5th post, but cant vote them all, saw them and compare them like 4-5 times. again alphabetic order, not score order.

    -Bandits City by Rockstar356.
    -Terrace Fields by Nudl9.
    -The Time Gates by Twilight.

    and for the others maps I have to say great work, because I took time to decide 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 places. It was a high quality contest IMO.

    And well Sentrywizz map shure was unique, we had like 10 places empty so why not? thanks for your unique ideas. Maybe that map can be used for an altered melee with all that hostile towers and boats. or it could be some sort of water TD, I think water TD doesnt exist, they are all in land.
    I like how you used those piers in the center. I am also wondering if those hostile zappers will kaboom you.

    , great contest, until the results!!

    If someone else want to talk about all the maps, do a speech, or make long tables, or tell tauren jokes, please do, we have like 2-4 weeks to fill.
     
  20. I like to think outside the box. Melee is stale in my view, but those that love it
    must love it for what it is.

    Thanks! I also like how that turned out too.

    WaterTD sounds like a TD. The map is more naval zone control within a melee map.

    You don't have to use a boat or hire frigates or fight the armada in the center.
    You can chop / destroy the lumber at the expansions and you get to the opponent by land.
    I didn't want to trap players so they must use boats or flying. Just make it take longer.

    Yes sappers do.

    Towers are placed at strategic locations, good vs you or in your favor.
    Like I said, you can play it like an "unusual" melee, but you can also
    take advantage of key locations for all sorts of wonderful scenarios.
     
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