mafe — Map Reviewer

Hi, basically you gotta look at the map submission rules:
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/map-submission-rules.228244/
In particular I recommend you contact the original author of Amzonia (most likely it is this guy: https://www.hiveworkshop.com/members/nery.156727/) and see if he responds.

Other than that, I would approve the map, assuming the changes make sense.

Thank you very much for the guidance!

Hey, I have not looked at your other maps yet. But I will review them at some point in the next days when I find the time for it.

Yeah normally I would do that. But here I failed to "approve" the map when trying to moderate it the first time. Then I didnt find out how to approve it except by using the "moderate" button again and writing another comment. Is there a better way?

I had trouble with it in the beginning as well.
Just, write a message/post. Then, tick it on the little white square on its lower part to the far left, mark it as a review. Then go to the green Moderate button and tick the round next to Awaiting Update/Approved/Substandard/Pending.
You don't have to have any text in the comment box that appears when you press Moderate, since it can make you to double post.

Alright, I'll try that next time. Thanks!

that doesnt look like trustworthy url :D

I think it actually does. This is the site:
https://www.bazaargadgets.com/

Sadly, I think there might be heroes with larger pathing/selection scale/circle which is problematic for balance because some of them don't have fast movement speed.

I checked in the editor and all heroes have the same collision size. Movement speed varies indeed. Of course, faster is better, but imho wc3 is sufficiently balanced despite this (though maybe the recent patch may have changed things for worse). Do you have any specific concerns?

That means selection circle size doesn't matter if the collision size is the same?

Hey mafe? how are you doing?, may I ask, how was your idea of posting on reddit or that site to have more participant? worked? see ya

Hey yes I posted on r/wc3 on reddit and in the hiveworkshop discord channel. https://www.reddit.com/r/WC3/comments/9b14lg/new_melee_map_contest_at_the_hiveworkshop/
On discord there were a few interested people, I takled to one who intends to join but hasnt posted in the thread yet apparently

great!, we are 21-22 now, so is cool

Hey I've almost forgotten I posted this :D The contest is on the hive mainpage now. I'll think about it, probably if I want to post it on reddit, I should do it now so people still have enough time. Thanks for the reminder. I have to check, but if our judge doesnt object to 30 participants, then why not?

the judge stated said 30 + 3 is ok, but if is 30+10 those ten are out.

we are 18 so there is room.

Orange is the guy who had a youtube review for the map contest? In any case, most ladder maps have no cliffs at all, or only very few. But I think your map is really very experimental so I'm not sure if the normal "rules" really apply.

Yes that one. I re-watched studied his points. Also I saw a match of him being NE against orcs, and he won. In a moment he said that he didn´t like 1 cliff level. I think he said it in the first video with the first maps. He said he liked some more levels to cut vision. He said if I put a farm here and here and I can predict all enemy movments.

Thawing Snow had many cliff and won

I don´t want to bother you, the maps are already reviewed, but if you have time / wish to, I would be silly in saying no. Your knoledge is invaluable.

Hello again, hope I don´t bother you with this request. My map the mines of Undar was already reviewed so never mind it. But if you can review Apojii Islands, that would be great. I would like to hear your opinion with that map, if you have the time to do it. See ya.

thanks for the review mate!, most usefull

Hey thanks for sharing. I was on holiday so I didnt see this unitl now.

Signature..... I've been editing my "current project" the entire time

Sorry about wasting your time. Now it works of course.

I guess to further improve the guide, I'll need more time. But yes, I'll try to do what you suggested.

I'm glad it's solved.

Use pastebin to test things like these beforehand:
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/pastebin/create

I mean the hidden stuff should be in a table not the table in a hidden thing because the background will result in the same as with spoiler tags.

Hey thanks I'll have a look at it.

I guess you have the neutral-naga units from the tft campaign in mind, or what other units?
I believe that these and other "normal" player-controlled units tend to have (much) better stats than other creeps. For example the naga myrmidon is a lvl 4 unit (in terms of experience given when killed) with 1080 hp, 2 armor and about 18 dps (if I calculated correctly) and ensnare ability. A comparable normal lvl 4 creep is the centaur outrunner with 550 hp, 2 armor, 15 dps and no abilities. Maybe this is just an extreme example, but the issue might be that using these creeps takes much longer and you take more damage. I think one would have to look at each unit on its own, to find out if they are ok or if you need to be careful.

Of course, you can also tamper with the unit stats (though this would make the map altered melee), or for example make the itemdrops stronger to mitigate the slower/more dangerous exp gain.

I see, thanks a lot. I was considering changing the stats of the unit/ changing visuals of the "normal" melee creeps but as you mentioned, it would make the map altered melee. Seems I will have to be creative and utilize Sunken ruins creep.

Once again, thank you for your time and perfect explanation.

still in terms of space a 480x480 would be madness, also I think 24 player will have lag

also I started a 6 one, and I aim for FFA with high quality balance

The 24 player lag is only for certain players :
"Why people these days play on potato computer" (a random quote from someone on one of my PTR game)

Yes this is correct. Does it matter if I use destructable ice blocks or destructable rocks? I just thought it might be good for visual variety.

As long as it does not interfere with game balance, i.e. the eastern player getting faster to the mine than the western one, no biggie.

I dont think it does. Both players would have to destroy 5+ doodads anyway to open a path for medium sized armies under realisitic circumstances.