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mafe
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Viewing repository Maps, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:24 PM
    1. Mr.Henci
      Mr.Henci
      Just a quick question, Great One.

      What is your opinion on unused neutral/non-neutral creeps as creeps camps in melee maps. I am working on new melee and Naga would be quite fitting to the theme as neutral hostiles, but I fear that some balance issues can come with this decision. Would you mind sharing you opinion?
      1. mafe
        mafe
        I guess you have the neutral-naga units from the tft campaign in mind, or what other units?
        I believe that these and other "normal" player-controlled units tend to have (much) better stats than other creeps. For example the naga myrmidon is a lvl 4 unit (in terms of experience given when killed) with 1080 hp, 2 armor and about 18 dps (if I calculated correctly) and ensnare ability. A comparable normal lvl 4 creep is the centaur outrunner with 550 hp, 2 armor, 15 dps and no abilities. Maybe this is just an extreme example, but the issue might be that using these creeps takes much longer and you take more damage. I think one would have to look at each unit on its own, to find out if they are ok or if you need to be careful.

        Of course, you can also tamper with the unit stats (though this would make the map altered melee), or for example make the itemdrops stronger to mitigate the slower/more dangerous exp gain.
        Feb 24, 2018 at 3:36 PM
      2. Mr.Henci
        Mr.Henci
        I see, thanks a lot. I was considering changing the stats of the unit/ changing visuals of the "normal" melee creeps but as you mentioned, it would make the map altered melee. Seems I will have to be creative and utilize Sunken ruins creep.

        Once again, thank you for your time and perfect explanation.
        Feb 24, 2018 at 5:27 PM
    2. Ragnaros17
      Ragnaros17
      "If you have the time, you can try to make a 24 player now" No my gosh no, I didn´t find the clue to 6 player FFA, very hard because the only fair position for all is the circle hexagoon where every player is near every player. I hardly beginin to study for 6 player melee maps, you can design the 24 yourself. Normalice was an expert in 12 melee maps.
      1. mafe
        mafe
        :D I dont think maps for large numbers of players need to be fully symmetric. For FFA it would be good, yes. But I think everyone will understand that it is not practically possible. Also, for teamgames, say 12v12, only both of the halves where the teams start should be the same.
        Feb 24, 2018 at 6:58 AM
      2. Ragnaros17
        Ragnaros17
        still in terms of space a 480x480 would be madness, also I think 24 player will have lag
        Feb 24, 2018 at 12:08 PM
      3. Ragnaros17
        Ragnaros17
        also I started a 6 one, and I aim for FFA with high quality balance
        Feb 24, 2018 at 12:10 PM
    3. deepstrasz
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      2. mafe
        mafe
        Yes this is correct. Does it matter if I use destructable ice blocks or destructable rocks? I just thought it might be good for visual variety.
        Feb 16, 2018
      3. deepstrasz
        deepstrasz
        As long as it does not interfere with game balance, i.e. the eastern player getting faster to the mine than the western one, no biggie.
        Feb 16, 2018
      4. mafe
        mafe
        I dont think it does. Both players would have to destroy 5+ doodads anyway to open a path for medium sized armies under realisitic circumstances.
        Feb 16, 2018
    4. Ragnaros17
      Ragnaros17
    5. Ragnaros17
      Ragnaros17
      Thanks for your feedback in Magic Nodes, it was very usefull.
    6. Wardota2 Gamer
      Wardota2 Gamer
    7. deepstrasz
      deepstrasz
      Either coincidence or you activated e-mail messages for your watched threads :P
      1. mafe
        mafe
        I just have too much time at the moment...
        Jan 28, 2018
    8. Ragnaros17
      Ragnaros17
      6-The expansion would more clearly "belong" to one player. There are at least three factors that go against fastexpanding: Long distance for militia, easy to reach for enemy, strong creeps. However, at least the enemy needs to scout where you want to expand. As it stands, I would expect any human to veto this map vs undead.

      Is hard to me to get what is good what is bad and what should I do XD, if you want to explain me more
      I could move the expanding goldmines like 10,000 units of distance near
      1. mafe
        mafe
        It is a difficult topic which I cannot explain to full detail without writing hundreds of words. Let me just say the following: Look at any competitive 1v1 map and you will see that expansions typically satisfy the following criteria:
        -There is an expansion that is clearly closer to player A than to player B, and vice versa.
        -The creeps are lvl 17 total maximum, often lower (but only rarely a green spot).
        -The expansion can be reached with sufficient militia time left so that you can expect to creep the mine even in the face of minor harass.

        As always, these criteria are somewhat flexible and in fact the it would be good to have somewhat different situations on different maps. But I would expect that if you make one factor so that it makes expanding more difficult, then you add something else to slighlty help expanding. On your map however, I believe you add several things that discourage expanding and there is nothing to balance it.
        Dec 23, 2017
      2. Ragnaros17
        Ragnaros17
        "On your map however, I believe you add several things that discourage expanding and there is nothing to balance it."
        so this is a good thing right?
        (note: yeah this is the first time I did a map with 1 expading per user and I don´t like it XD, but I saw things, maps with no expanding ahh!)
        Dec 23, 2017
      3. mafe
        mafe
        Unfortunately no. I meant to say that "in relation to standard maps (i.e. maps like TM, EI etc which have proven to be balanced), expanding is harder on your map for several reasons". Now if you make expanding harder than usual, it changes balance in favor of races who tend to play without expansion.
        Dec 23, 2017
    9. Ragnaros17
      Ragnaros17
      hello there, Another question about melee balance. Sunken ruins mercenary camps.
      https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/the-kraken-v-1-01.301737/#post-3223766

      A friend of mine thinks the sunken ruin mercenary camps are unbalanced. So what do you think?
      As example Abnomines in his map Swamped temple, he used lordaeron merc camps not the sunken ruins
      and the panda in the map coral reef used the sunken ruins merc camps

      so what do you think? not use them? use them defended with orange or better a red creep ?

      see ya
      1. mafe
        mafe
        I'm not completely sure. The snarecaster, turtle and snaper should be ok, but the snarecaster has entangling roots. If he would be available during the t1 stage, he would break the game; but he isnt available until the second ingame day begins. So it might work out fine.

        On the other hand, w3arena currently has two sunken ruins maps in the 1v1 mappool and both use Lordaeon summer camps nevertheless.
        Dec 23, 2017
      2. Ragnaros17
        Ragnaros17
        so orange or red creep? or maybe a level 19 still orange, but a hard one
        Dec 23, 2017
      3. mafe
        mafe
        I would probably go with lvl 17-20 camp. I'll have a look at your map and write some feedback in the thread.
        Dec 23, 2017
    10. Ragnaros17
      Ragnaros17
      may I ask you a melee balance question?
      when you review maps, I saw you put map has no critters , I am correct?

      now one of the contest judge said, that critters benefit undead (they can be killed and converted in skeletons)

      so what do you think?
      1. mafe
        mafe
        Yes I think there should be critters on melee map. They are useful for undeads because, as you said, they can be turned into skeletons. As it is a stable feature on most melee maps, it is a (small) factor that contributes to balance. If a map doesnt have critters, this could mean that undead is in a slightly worse position than usual.

        Critters are especially important if you have creep spots which dont leave any corpses when killed, such as spots with only skeletons, golems, air creeps, treants, banshees etc.
        Dec 13, 2017
    11. Ragnaros17
    12. Maxwell
      Maxwell
      I was afraid that everyone will blame me on rudeness and so on :)
      But I really don't like such kids.
    13. Maxwell
      Maxwell
      1. mafe
        mafe
        You've got mail!
        Nov 11, 2017
    14. deepstrasz
      1. mafe
        mafe
        I did so a few weeks ago:D
        Btw, is there any reason why you dont participate in the contest?
        Oct 31, 2017
      2. deepstrasz
        deepstrasz
        Oct 31, 2017
      3. deepstrasz
        deepstrasz
        Oct 31, 2017
    15. Ragnaros17
      Ragnaros17
    16. deepstrasz
      deepstrasz
      Hey mafe, have you ever participated in any WcIII melee contest?
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      2. deepstrasz
        deepstrasz
        Oh darn, I wasn't specific. I meant playing.
        Oct 28, 2017
      3. mafe
        mafe
        :D Other than being a regular ladder player (1v1, 4v4) myself, I have only played a few maps for a clan way back. Nor sure if it was a competition or not. How about you?
        Oct 28, 2017
      4. deepstrasz
        deepstrasz
        Nah, I'm more into singleplayer (not online). I mostly played melee with friends.
        Oct 28, 2017
    17. deepstrasz
      deepstrasz
      Why don't you get a sweet avatar?
      1. deepstrasz
        deepstrasz
        That's more like it, thanks.
        Oct 21, 2017
      2. mafe
        mafe
        :D
        Oct 21, 2017
    18. SeedinAethyr
      SeedinAethyr
      Welcome to the Hive mafe!
      I hope you enjoy your stay here.
      Feel free to go to the Introductions thread in Off-Topic to introduce yourself to the community.
      If there is anything you need, feel free to contact me. I'm no admin, but don't be afraid to send me a Visitor Message about anything.
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