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Melee Mapping contest #3 - 4 vs 4

Discussion in 'Contest Archive' started by Mr.Henci, Dec 1, 2018.

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  1. fostaa

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    I understand, thank you. I will gladly join.

    Good idea for this contest by the way.


    Cheers.
     
  2. W3Sour

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    good luck to all... the 4v4 map pool really needs a good boost of new community maps ;)

    looking forward to see what you guys can come up with
     
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    I'd like to participate!

    EDIT: A point for discussion. Since the latest patch tried to fix a lot of map hosting issues, it would be a lot easier to get a lot of these maps tested in teams. Would others be interested in testing the maps?
     
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    I have another question - I just started a map a few days ago and I would like to use exactly this map for the contest. I started like 5 days ago and I am still working on it. Would it count? What is the idea of the map to be started after the announce of this contest? The idea is to contribute to the maps for Blizzard's release so I don't really find it too important of a rule? Any other points of view? Suggestions?
     
  5. mafe

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    I definitely would like to participate, provided I find the time.
    This was also talked about in the precontest discussion, and apparently this is a standard rule for hiveworkshops contests. I'm not a fan of it either though. However I understand the ideas behind it (original submissions, participants having equal amounts of time, for example), yet I still believe it was intended for different situations and not so much your case.
     
  6. Mr.Henci

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    @fostaa don't get me wrong, but you are here for 12 hours, yet you want to change every rule and change the whole contest for your needs. The rule clearly says:
    "Your submission may not be started/made before the official launch of the contest."
    And to be honest I don't see a reason, why you should have advantage over others with an who knows how old map. Map section on Hive is a place to go, if you have map in works and want to publish it, but for this contest, you should create a new map. Of course, we can't know how old your entry is and we must rely that every contestant is honest, so I hope there won't be any troubles.

    @mafe while I understand you standpoint, if we allow a map stared 1 week before startdate, someone might want 2 weeks pre-startdate map to be allowed and so on . . . While the main goal is to bring a higher quality 4v4 maps, it is still a Hive contest and we should stick to the main Hive rules in this regard. Map section is full of great melee maps and Blizzard showed, that they are interested in them even without the publicity of the contest. (Northren Isles map by @Filmting is a good example)
     
  7. fostaa

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    I am trying to see if I can simply use my map on which I worked much. I am not really trying to change anything - it's not me who would decide after all.
    And as you can see I am absolutely honest and that is why I want to check what is OK and what not...

    A matter of fact I am very happy that a contest just appears while I am working on my map and a good opportunity for me. That's all.

    Good luck to everyone.
     
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    I strongly sugest to start a new map:

    Mostly to follow the rule, but there are other reasons that will benefit you:

    I can tell you that it will be much better if you start from 0, ( many mistakes are made with the neutral buildings positions and size of the map).

    1) Think the size of the map.
    2) Think the positions of the neutrals buildings (do many tests).

    Consider it an oportunity to have a fresh new start and avoid mistakes (almost all maps have mistakes, when you don´t map for contest and just for fun, it has tons of mistakes).

    Neutral buildings positions define the game, so I would sugest to think a lot and try to do the best of the best,
    I can tell that if you start from 0 and think well everything (specially the neutrals buildings positions), this new map will be much better.

    In my case I spent saturday thinking the neutral buildings positions, and after (hours of puting the neutrals buildings) I started to terrain some parts.

    The other map keep it in stand by, and map it later after the contest, in that way, in the future you will end having two 8 player maps!!!, the old one and the new one for the contest,

    I also sugest you to read the reviews of the judges of the second melee contest so you won´t make those mistakes.

    (In my case I screw it mostly with the easy expandings, base shape and goblin markets creeps)

    good luck
     
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    By participating and more of you guys :]
     
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    I am not really a melee mapmaker guy :O sorreh. Also I am working on a project.
     
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    Limit is 20 and we are already at the half (9) and @mafe will spread the word he is just waiting time until updates news pass,
    is a matter of time that more people will join (specially when many wips are uploaded and users will say mmm 150x150 it can be done by mirrowing terrain),
    I can predict that a lot more will join next weekend.
    Since there is time till 12 Jan, is high probable that a couple of users will join a bit late.

    I hope that this contest won´t reach the point of a lot of participants: with a waiting list (of users waiting drops) like in the first melee contest.
     
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    Can i remove collision from doodads and change their size?
     
  14. Zwiebelchen

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    Why was I summoned? I don't have any experience with melee maps and know nothing about ladder games, including balance and how to pro. :/
     
  15. Loner-Magixxar

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    Hey guys! I had a question. Are we allowed to have scripts in our map?
     
  16. Ragnaros17

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    @Mr.Henci will respond you with more acuracy than me.

    "For melee maps, any gameplay altering data may not be changed."

    The main reason of this contest is to produce 4v4 melee maps, so maybe of 20 maps one or two may worth to reach ladder, and maybe Blizzard Ladder before Reforged launch.
    So to reach Blizzard is a no, don´t change anything. Because it must say melee map:yes and when you change a single doodad it isn´t a "melee map"
    the white cog turns into golden (of custom).

    Since this is a melee contest balance is much more important than beauty.

    "Triggers are not allowed."

    Define Scripts??
     
  17. mafe

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    Welcome back!
    I've now linked the contest in various discords and also in reddit. I wonder if should also go to the official blizzard reforged forum, or if this would be counterproductive because of the latent toxicty over there (which is why rarely ever bother to post there). What are your opinions?
    Also I didnt mention that people will have to register here, I hope this will not cause any misunderstandings.

    That is probably some borderline issue.
     
  18. Knecht

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    It was ok in the last contests and I don't see an issue with it. It really depends if the creator of the map tries to get their map into the blizz ladder- in which case he wouldn't alter any data. However HWS's melee category has been less strict with this issue imo.
    Btw I guess it will work just as fine in reforged if you use a blizz model as Reforged seems more like a model swap.
     
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    "...of the latent toxicty..."

    is that bad?

    ...."What are your opinions?"

    I say yes to spread the word and Hiveworkshop promotion. As long as the new users stick to the rules, I have nothing against.

    "Also I didnt mention that people will have to register here, I hope this will not cause any misunderstandings."

    When they read the rules of the frontpage and see they need to post here to join and that they can´t post without joining and that registered users can post,
    they will figure it out, so I think don´t worry.

    Sugestion, there is plenty of time, if you think it could be "counterproductive", maybe is a bit soon "to beg more participants", I sugest wait till the end of the next weekend, I think more Hiveworkshop users will join there (WIPs and explain things such as size will motivate others).
     
  20. Thanesh675

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    Hey there! I'm interested in joining!
     
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