Kingdom of Lordaeron

[mafe]

It's a very good map, especially considering this is your first map. I mean, you got a lot of feedback on reddit already, so I'm just gonna list a few things I noticed:
-Humans can place a farm at southern merc camp, but not in the north.
-At the shops you get lvl 3+1 items from creeps that have a total level of 17, but at the labs you get 4+2 from total level 16, at the expansions it is 3+2 from lvl 16/18 and at the merc camps you get a 3+2 from lvl 14? That's kinda unusual in the sense that you would generally expect the strength of the rewards to increase with the strength of the crepps. But on the other hand the creeps at the lab look very nasty despite being overall relatively low in level, so not sure myself. Also, I didnt factor in that powerups are not as valuable as other items of the same level.
-Accidential unwalkable tiles at some ramps in the eastern half of the map (too lazy to take screenshots on new computer, sorry). Use "P" to check. This often happens if you change ramps too often.
-Countless of trees where wisps can be placed and melee units cannot attack them. You can avoid this by placing at most 7 trees at the time, using the size 2 tool. Place them so that there are no gaps between trees.
-Some creeps are facing in the "wrong" direction (see northern murlocs).

None of this is gamebreaking at a casual level, and I'm not even sure if I would suggest changing the items. But if you are aiming for higher level of melee mapping, most of this should be looked at again.

Also, we have started a melee mapping contest today, maybe you would be interested: Melee Mapping Contest #4 - 2v2

 

[Meerel]

did some updates:

- farm at both mercs
- fixed pathing
- fixed tree placement
- changed creep drops to lvl strengh

i think its done now

 

[deepstrasz]

1. It's better to use campaign units as neutral than regular melee units. However, it would be best not to use buildings with attack as neutral since no neutral Warcraft III units has the capability of attacking. Maybe, you'd want to have a campaign tower as neutral hostile instead
2. The nearest mine creeps have low camp range instead of the highest. Towers and buildings might be built nearby without them attacking.

Approved.

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[Cigaro]

=== GENERAL ===

I recommend naming the map like this: (2)KingdomOfLordaeron.w3x, without the blanks in between. It's the standard.

Destructible doodads like the gate on the bottom right side not very popular. People don't want to bother with removing such barriers. I can see that you placed it for the style, but I'd just remove it.

Also, neutral buildings like the guard tower are normally avoided. They can be very irritating, and Pillage works on them as well.

You might want to add a little more gold to the mine that is guarded by the bigger creep camp. It's not a must though.

There are no trees near the tavern where NE could park a wisp to later buy a hero. It's a detail, but NE players will be annoyed.

I'm not a fan of the huge empty area in the center. You could add two more small islands with trees on them or so. What could be problematic is that on the sides, where all the action will occur, you have a lot of choke points. People might have problems maneuvering large armies through there in the late game, and the expansion would be a typical spot for big battles. However, I find this hard to be thought through in theory, better just have it play tested.


What's more of an issue in my eyes is that the gold mine is pretty close to the starting position, so HU will have an easier time with occupying and defending it (even though it's harder to clear out than on other maps because lvl 15 is pretty big). Additionally, it's on high ground, so that'll make it easier to run from approaching armies and chasing them away if you get the upper hand. Again, this would be something for play testing, perhaps it works out fine.

You can safely purchase items from the shop even when standing on the low ground, during day time, and far away from the creep camp.


I think the terrain would look more natural if the rough dirt were in the middle of the road.

This is, of course, entirely a matter of taste.

=== CREEP CAMPS ===

The creep camps are, on average, too strong. The weakest one is level 6, which is already quite big. For the sake of having a list:
6
7
10
14
15
16
17
18
28

Here are two popular maps for comparison:

Secret Valley
4
5
6
11
15
17
18
24

Echo Isles
5
8
9
11
13 / 17 (center)
13
16
17

As you can see, they both offer a little more in the lower range. You're offering a lot in that "level item 3 drop" range (camp levels 14/15 through 17), but too little for starters. You can't get hero level 2 without killing a lvl 5 creep. I would probably weak the creep camp at the Goblin Lab or the Merc Camp.

Some camps are placed too aggressively. They will engage if you pass nearby. You should push them significantly behind the white line:


Creep camps at gold mines should always be set to "normal", not "camp". Otherwise, players can build towers nearby. And while on any other creep camps those towers would be wasted once the camp is cleared out, near a gold mine those towers would become part of the base and that would be just too good.


Tome of Experience no longer drops from a random lvl 2 power up group so you no longer have to worry about that kind of thing.


Level 28 (creep camp in the corner) is massive and usually not featured in 1vs1 maps. Better cut it back to lvl 20-24.

Item drops are good, critters are good.

 

[Meerel]

thanks for the review cigaro
i am actually at work to make an updated version of this map. since it is my first one it has some flaws which you pointed out.

it will take some time since im working on another map at the moment but i will come to it.