Hero Contest #4 - Animalistic Nature

[InfinateAnswers]

They arnt, because pokemon are half animal half something else, IE Charmander- Charcoal + Salamander, Charmelion- Charcoal + Chameleon, Charzard- Charcoal + Lizard

 

[Ketsuno Anson]

Pokemon = Pocket monsters
And neither a clown or a mime is an animal,so what is Mr mime?

 

[Berb]

Pokemon are not combinations of animals and something else. Sometimes they are entirely animal-based, for example, "Spearow", whom is simply a sparrow. These three Pokemon also have nothing to do with animals:

• Abra
• Kadabra
• Alakazam

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Most pokemon are is what i meant to imply. They just arent so the answer is no.

*Animal Inspired

 

[spencenator]

Sooo some pokemon are no, while others yes? I would agree with that. i only want to use charmander, bulbasaur, squirtle, and pikachu, however, and the only one that is really questionable as an animal is bulbasaur, and that's just barely so. Anyways, the rules never specified that the animal had to be real.

 

[Bugz]

i dont think that pokemon fits into this contest :/ just my tought..

 

[spencenator]

I'll wait for input from Pharaoh_ before i lay this idea to rest, for now i'll keep thinking.

 

[D a w n]

You could use Pokemon while not using pokemon.
Just use your concept and make "real" animals out of them.

On a side note: pokemon are more animal-like than those furry models some of you are using, as you could see them as the animals/pets on an alternate universe. Even a pokemon like Mr.Mime could be an animal. ( they could be relatives to humankind just like chimps)

 

[ThaAthael]

Does the animal theme include bugs and other smaller life forms too? (worms, colbries, ravens, you get my point).

In addition: Are mythical beasts such as yetis or dragons considered out of the range of the contest or are these considered 'animals or animal themed' too?
I'm tinkering around with some ideas, but have no clue what is in or out of the contest

 

[Berb]

I would say that dragons and abominable snowmen are fair-game. Lots of users seem to be submitting interpretations of werewolves, which are also not real animals.

 

[Jazztastic]

The theme is Animalistic Nature. The hero does not have to be an animal. They are supposed to link traits of the animal world with human nature. Werewolves and vampires are perfect, they mirror the traits of humans (One shapeshifts, one is a permanent mutation), and they also have the traits of wolves and bats, respectively.

 

[spencenator]

I guess by that definition pokemon are legalized, but i found another idea i like better anyways. It has to do with wolves

 

[Berb]

Well now you're putting vampires and werewolves on the same level playing field, but in my opinion the two are grossly different in terms of animalistic nature. Werewolves fit the part far better than vampires would.

Contestants must create a hero with a concept linked with the world of animals. The hero must possess the basics of an animal and combine the key of human nature with the one of animal instincts.

A vampire isn't really linked with the world of animals, where as a werewolf is most definitely.

"The hero must possess the basics of an animal" - vampires do not possess any more basic animalistic properties than a human who is a cannibal.

and combine the key of human nature with the one of animal instincts

I think this needs to be re-written; "with the one of animal instincts" doesn't really make any sense. The contest rules need to be far more clear than this if anybody is going to be disqualified for non-theme submissions. Also the "key of human nature" needs to be explained in greater detail.

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Vampires fit in the category of "Super human cannibal"

 

[Garfield1337]

A vampire isn't really linked with the world of animals, where as a werewolf is most definitely.

"The hero must possess the basics of an animal" - vampires do not possess any more basic animalistic properties than a human who is a cannibal.

Vampires posses properties of a bat.

 

[Freyleyes]

Are we allowed to use a insect themed hero? Like a butterfly for example?

 

[Ketsuno Anson]

Yes as long as it's an animal
And as for the vampire : We don't have to stick to the topic (myths,movie,etc) you know,get creative...vampires can turn into ponies and monkey can turn into an eagle,the rule does not limit you from those ideas and a vampire IS not a cannibal,unless a different kind of vampire that eats the flesh of the victim.You can't call anyone who has tasted blood even by a little amount a cannibal now...or can you?

 

[Jazztastic]

Vampires: They turn into fucking bats but they have nothing in common wiht the world of animals.

 

[rysnt11]

Agree with you beff, vampire maybe can shapeshift to a bat, but the bat it self doens't have it's nature anymore, it became a medium for the vampire to flee, or as a transport
Werewolves counted, because they are human, but when transformed, they retain both of humanity and the animalistic nature of the wolves

 

[Klingo]

I think vampires can be linked with the world of animals, they're kind of human bat because they drink blood like some kinds of bat.

 

[rysnt11]

They aren't linked..
See the werewolves?
They still retain their animalistic nature, but vampire?
I think no, the bat form usualy used as transportation and a flee mechanic for the vampire, and afaik, in bat form, vamps do not drink blood...
And i know that there's some kind of bat, that can act like vamps, they drink blood

 

[Bugz]

hmm vampires is linked to animals.. it should be accepted..

 

[Ketsuno Anson]

Okay,lets stop this discussion and talk about something else... Vampires bats...ever heard of them? they are a species of bat,a vampire is a human vampire bat,a werewolf is a human wolf,nuff said? Linked or not,stop trying to be clever about it and do the contest. As long as the hero has skills or looks that of an animal (reality),then it can be accepted if I'm not wrong.

 

[baassee]

Vampires suck blooood, bats can (few races) suck bloood as well so count my vote for approval although I cannot judge anyway (don't know cJASS sigh and work)

And yeah this post is so stupid prolonging this conversation. More WIPS!

 

[Pharaoh_]

Pokemons can be accepted, as they indeed reflect on animal elements. Pikachu wouldn't be accepted though, since it has electricity as the main ability power, which is out of question. In order to comprehend which animals are thought to be animals, their abilities must be realistic. There are some animals that have electrical shocks as a power in real life (electric eels), but lightnings of electricity? That's very fictional.
Werewolves are creations of folk myths, I don't see why fantasy from a specific cartoon series can't be accepted, but pick your pokemon wisely.

As for vampires, unless they are actual bats, they can't be accepted.

 

[Poodercakes]

Kithera the Furious
Tigerlord

Model thanks to Frankster

In days of old, there was a small tribe who made their home in lush jungles. They lived peacefully, until an intruding force of men threatened to destroy their way of life. These intruders wore armor of strange metal, and seemed impervious to the crude weapons that the tribe possessed. The hunters and warriors of this tribe prayed to their deities for strength and assistance to defeat their would-be conquerors... And they answered. Thus, the tigerlords were brought into existence. Led by Kithera the Furious, these humanoid tigers were known to embrace their primal urges even before they were gifted with these celestial bodies. Not much is known about the battles that occurred beneath the canopies of the jungles, but there are still skeletons of the defeated invaders, great gouges where fang and claw have struck.

Name:	Ravaging Blows	Lord of the Jungle	Primal Fury	Overwhelming Lacerations
Icons:
Ability Description:	Kithera is known for her fury, in and out of combat, but moreso in combat. Each attack made on the target digs deeper and deeper. If a unit dies while under this effect, it is ravaged, demoralizing enemies nearby by causing significant damage to them. Level 1 - 1x bonus damage, 50 ravage damage. Level 2 - 2x bonus damage, 65 ravage damage. Level 3 - 3x bonus damage, 75 ravage damage.	Kithera lets loose a blood-curdling roar that causes nearby enemy units to shiver in fear, and lose their will to fight. Lasts 16 seconds. Level 1 - 25% attack damage reduction. Level 2 - 35% attack damage reduction. Level 3 - 45% attack damage reduction.	Kithera and her nearby allies give in to their primal instincts, giving bonus damage to their attacks. Level 1 - Increases base damage by 15%. Level 2 - Increases base damage by 25%. Level 3 - Increases base damage by 35%.	(Ultimate Ability) Kithera hurls herself into an overhwhelming twister of destructive force for 9 seconds, rendering her immune to magic and lacerating all nearby enemies, dealing 105 damage per second to all enemy units nearby.

Credit for icons: CRAZYRUSSIAN, dansaDisco, Mr.Goblin
This is a WiP, not a final entry, which will be submitted when finished.

Stuff yet to do:
Test map and such.
Balancing the hero.




Thanks

 

[baassee]

Poodercakes used the model I looked at before I realized I couldn't join

Ravaging Blows looks like DOTA scorpion passive.

Else I like it, a part from OE abilities they seem to fit well. Although the tiger icon needs a recolor

EDIT:

WHEN DID GENERAL FRANK CHANGE HIS NAME?!

 

[Xian]

WHEN DID GENERAL FRANK CHANGE HIS NAME?!

Uh like a month ago...
Anyway i hope the winner will not be an animorph,im sick of that

 

[Pharaoh_]

Poodercakes used the model I looked at before I realized I couldn't join

Ravaging Blows looks like DOTA scorpion passive.

Else I like it, a part from OE abilities they seem to fit well. Although the tiger icon needs a recolor

EDIT:

WHEN DID GENERAL FRANK CHANGE HIS NAME?!

Yeah, don't worry about recoloring and stuff; they might score a bit better in aesthetics, if the set of abilities have mutual colors, but these heroes are compared to the melee gaming ones, where almost no hero has a color harmony in their skillset.

 

[baassee]

Yet I cannot remember (correct me if I'm wrong) an icon that has the face of the unit but in another color (from melee games). But whateva' I'm just an old complaining man.

 

[Orcnet]

So the most important pointing system for this contest doesn't depend in the spells or the models but on how you create or visualize the hero? just want to know because my triggering abilities sucks like hell so I don't know if I'm capable in competing with this ):

 

[Pharaoh_]

Coding has an equal amount of points with concept, so does balance and synergy. Everything is important
I could raise the coding aspect a bit more, but this is not a spells & mini-systems contest, it's the hero's identity that matters.

 

[Orcnet]

I'm in! but I might do some little research for a while (
and reserve this post as my base lol

 

[baassee]

Just leave it as it is. Although I wonder how judge should judge a hero with only OE abilities, 0 points in coding?

 

[Skycraft]

Well if they didn't do any coding how could they gain points in that area?

 

[Orcnet]

Behold! PONY MAN™! sorry for the corny name and the horny-looking picture, just want to reserve this post for my upcoming adds.

 

[Bugz]

Behold! PONY MAN™! sorry for the corny name and the horny-looking picture, just want to reserve this post for my upcoming adds.

That is sooooo wrong! T_T

 

[Orcnet]

don't worry GamerCreutz! I'll definitely make this lame monster into an epic horse ass

 

[Bugz]

don't worry GamerCreutz! I'll definitely make this lame monster into an epic horse ass

thats good because right now its something that could be marked as bad drawing / Sexual harsment x3 also it might could get spam post

 

[InfinateAnswers]

The proportions are sooooo off, and it looks 2d, your attempt at giving the horse depth kinda.... failed. Right now its just trolling imo >.> Pending ~ Needs revision.

 

[baassee]

Well if they didn't do any coding how could they gain points in that area?

Seems that all that cannot code will loose at max 15,6% of the maximum score. That's almost a 1/6 of the score result.

calculations

10 points = coding score
45 points = total score

10/45 = 0,2222222222222222222

Only 70% of the judge points count anyway so

0,2222222222222222 * 0.7 = 0.155555555555555555555 = 15,6%

or did my awesome math skills fail totally

Anyway why am I the one that is complaining, I'm not even participating.

 

[InfinateAnswers]

when it comes down to it, those 10 points mean alot =)

 

[mckill2009]

===UPDATE===

Hero Name: Jastra, the dark elf
Description: not yet

Jastra's Spells

Jastra throws a magical bottle that has locusts inside. When the bottle breaks, the angry locusts follows and attacks nearby random enemy units. The locusts cannot be controlled by anyone.
If the targeted unit dies, then Jastra can control it. Number of locust depends on how many enemies in the AoE.
|cffffcc00Locusts damage 2-3.|r

|cffffcc00Level 1|r - Maximum of 4 locust, lasts 6 seconds
|cffffcc00Level 2|r - Maximum of 6 locust, lasts 10 seconds
|cffffcc00Level 3|r - Maximum of 8 locust, lasts 14 seconds

NOT YET

Gives a chance to deal an Area of Effect poison damage when Jastra casts her Locust Raid spell.

|cffffcc00Level 1|r - 5% chance, deals 40 damage
|cffffcc00Level 2|r - 10% chance, deals 60 damage
|cffffcc00Level 3|r - 15% chance, deals 80 damage

NOT YET

Screenshots

I'm not really a fan of importing things, so I better stick to the normal units...

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Should change Qty in that tooltip to "number"

I don't think most bnetards would figure out that means Quantity

Otherwise looks pretty cool

 

[Berb]

Okay but in dismissing the "argument" you completely ignored my point. It really doesn't matter whether vampires are going to be allowed or not but there is no way anybody can be dismissed from the contest (disqualified) if the rules are as vague as they are now. Anybody could argue that almost any tangent of this theme is acceptable.

Originally Posted by Rules
Contestants must create a hero with a concept linked with the world of animals. The hero must possess the basics of an animal and combine the key of human nature with the one of animal instincts.
A vampire isn't really linked with the world of animals, where as a werewolf is most definitely.

"The hero must possess the basics of an animal" - vampires do not possess any more basic animalistic properties than a human who is a cannibal.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rules, Specifically
and combine the key of human nature with the one of animal instincts
I think this needs to be re-written; "with the one of animal instincts" doesn't really make any sense. The contest rules need to be far more clear than this if anybody is going to be disqualified for non-theme submissions. Also the "key of human nature" needs to be explained in greater detail.

The fact that everybody just pooled together and decided vampires were okay just proves my point. This isn't clear enough to have any solid line where certain submissions would not be allowed and some would. As long as you can argue that in some way there is some form of relationship at some point in time with an animal.

But with that said, I still don't have any inspiring ideas.

 

[Jazztastic]

@Berb, an interesting viewpoint that I would agree with under most circumstances, but since concept and synergy equal a whopping 20 points out of 45, and those two basically see how well the hero fits the theme and how well the heroes abilities fit the theme, we can be assured that a contestant that only "loosely" fits the theme will lose upwards of ten points and not win.

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Synergy is how the spells work together not based on the theme, you could have a 10 in synergy but a 0 in concept. Concept relies on if the hero itself fits into the idea of animalistic. Synergy is the spells, do the spells work together? or do you have 4 spells that have completely no advantage if used in chain.

 

[Pharaoh_]

Synergy is how the spells work together not based on the theme, you could have a 10 in synergy but a 0 in concept. Concept relies on if the hero itself fits into the idea of animalistic. Synergy is the spells, do the spells work together? or do you have 4 spells that have completely no advantage if used in chain.

That (the bold text). If someone doesn't fill in the proper proportions concept-wise, they won't be disqualified, but they will score low points in the Concept criterium, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[busterkomo]

I don't think a lot of you guys truly understand the synergy component. This, for example, is not ideal synergy.

Would something like this be considered animalistic?

 

[Pharaoh_]

A demon? He has some tauren proportions, but nothing more than that.