Forest Expansion 3.1.1

[Moderator]

23:46, 7th Aug 2010
ap0calypse: Approved

 

[Aesthetics]

Might wanna fix the description...

Because "killing green" isn't really exciting, if you know what I mean.

 

[Lag_Reviews]

To Map Creator - I see you are willing to become a famous map maker and are trying to do things right.

So here are a few tips and tricks on how to do things (includes description tips):

First 1: Always be nice to people, even if there not nice to you.

Second: Always have a good preview map cover

Thirdly: Always have a valid description, if you need description help go here: https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/importance-description.127031/post-1117301

Fourthly: Constantly update it and making it better is good, but if you are going to update the map, make sure the update is huge before doing soo. Minor unnecessary changes can annoy people.

Also you should probably get a custom preview image and add it, because showing the mini-map picture makes your map look not as godo as it would if you had a custom preview image. Just an idea.

Hope I helped and can't wait to see this map scale to even bigger heights,
Lag_Reviews

PS: Good luck with the map atm it is awesome to play just not much to look at by the description.

 

[CyberDuelX16]

The Magma Unit "Spark" has a spirit wolf icon and model...why?
Also, The Magma Shed Looks Like a passive ability, change it or add a border.

 

[Newominus]

Defender of darkness 1st ability is called "Dark Furry" is that good?

 

[Frostowlf 345]

NIce map you guys might wanna try island v.2.0 my map

 

[kronos21]

Dude wtf i should be credited i tested

 

[Tau Empire]

Dude wtf i should be credited i tested

Now now calm down, it's not like big video game companies credit there beta testers themselves, there are some that do but most don't. So why should it be different? If he wants to add you for only beta testing that's his choice not a "IT HAS TO BE DONE" thing.

 

[Nydiazath]

Furbolg Warrior's ground slam cost 250 mana, but he don't even have mana.
Cobold's attack speed upgrade is bugged, it's wrote it's only 2% per each level, but first upgrade give huge as. Defender is dying 4-6 mins after start.
My friend was playing furbolg and rolled into shaman. After dead he choose furbolg again, but when he was rolling into shaman he's dying and it wrote that he has die from " ".

Sry for my english.

 

[Shimitar]

Tested it, it seems a little one-sided at the begining.

 

[Nikkone]

Tested it, it seems a little one-sided at the begining.

Towards who? I buffed defender an update or two ago, and he's quite fine at the beginning now; at least to survive.

 

[Shimitar]

Point taken, good job with the race variaty.

 

[Eldrazor]

Me wants screenshots

Oh, and the defender got 48 armor sometime at lvl 6... Which is imba. Make it impossible to get that much armor >_>

 

[Dragonofcat]

.... At niks request im changing this post...

buut i have nothing else to say soo ...

 

[Eldrazor]

Fix minimap.
Sryously...
Just make it so there is actually blacked out stuff in the game and you can move towards the race-choosing area... Just make it 99999999 gold or sth... Minimap just fails right now

 

[light bolt30]

Please use hidden tags to hide your changelogs. Some screenshots will be nice.

 

[Nydiazath]

Grasp don't give any abillities to crypt lord, i can't see anywhere engineer aura upgrade.
You could make random respawn after expanders death because ancient isn't strong enough.

 

[Nikkone]

Fixed everything above. Respawns are not coming back, though.

 

[fancy]

I'm gonna give it a try!

 

[Spank_my_kodo]

Hmm, the map seems interesting, going to try it now.

 

[Spank_my_kodo]

Great map, I like the concept of the Ancient reaching lvl 20 for victory, everything seems alright, great job on the variety of race as well. Theres only 2 things that I think its very unfair.
• You don't give the Expanders enough time to choose their race wisely, you give them around 20 seconds to pick. They don't even have ENOUGH time to read the description carefully of each race (so basically, they have to be rushed and pick a race immediately without having any knowledge over what they choose). I hosted this on Battle.net a few times, and 80% of the time, 2 - 3 players die due to time shortage on picking and ancient spawning to quick.
Suggestion: Either have the expanders spawn at a specific spot and have the Ancient spawn at a different location (a place where its FAR away from the Ancient spawn) or extend the picking timer for expanders so they at least have some time to read each race, pick without any rush and have ample time to run away from the ancient spawn.
• I don't like the concept of the expander dying and staying dead for the rest of the game. I think that just gives new players no time to enjoy the game, and have any experience on how the game's mechanics work. And the less players left on the game, the slower the ancient will level up.
Suggestion: Maybe add a specific amount of lives for each player? For example, each player starts with 2 lives (doesn't have to be specifically 2, but you know where I am trying to get ), and if they die twice, THEN its game over for them.
Other than that, the game play is really fun and entertaining. I would rate this map a [3/5] for the variety of races, triggers, and tarrain.

 

[Nikkone]

Great map, I like the concept of the Ancient reaching lvl 20 for victory, everything seems alright, great job on the variety of race as well. Theres only 2 things that I think its very unfair.
• You don't give the Expanders enough time to choose their race wisely, you give them around 20 seconds to pick. They don't even have ENOUGH time to read the description carefully of each race (so basically, they have to be rushed and pick a race immediately without having any knowledge over what they choose). I hosted this on Battle.net a few time, and 80% of the time, 2 - 3 players die due to time shortage on picking and ancient spawning to quick.
Suggestion: Either have the expanders spawn at a specific spot and have the Ancient spawn at a different spot (a place where its FAR away from the Ancient spawn) or extend the picking timer for expanders so they at least have some time to read each race, pick without any rush and have ample time to run away from the ancient spawn.
• I don't like the concept of the expander dying and staying dead for the rest of the game. I think that just gives new players to the game no time to enjoy the game, and have any experience on how the game's mechanics work. And the less players left on the game, the slow the ancient will level up.
Suggestion: Maybe add a specific amount of lives for each player? For example, each player starts with 2 lives (doesn't have to be specifically 2, but you know where I am trying to get ), and if they die twice, THEN its game over for them.
Other than that, the game play is really fun and entertaining. I would rate this map a [3/5] for the variety of races, triggers, and tarrain.

Sounds like a good review. After that I'm definitely adding more time for the expanders to select. I'm still thinking about adding any kind of respawn, since it would usually make the Ancient overpowered if the same newb keeps dieing over and over again; giving him exp / gold.

 

[Stanakin]

Pretty enjoyable map.

I saw you used one of my icons for your Summon Kobold Warriors ability, which I think was great but you should have added me to the credits. I don't know if you've used other custom icons, but you should give the makers of those icons credit as well. Thanks.

 

[Nikkone]

Pretty enjoyable map.

I saw you used one of my icons for your Summon Kobold Warriors ability, which I think was great but you should have added me to the credits. I don't know if you've used other custom icons, but you should give the makers of those icons credit as well. Thanks.

Adding everyone's custom icons / models into the credits.

 

[-Kobas-]

Hmmm...

Ok lets see:
You need screenshots!

Add some about terrain, gameplay, units, spells/abilities
Maybe even video

Maybe you already know but here is BB Code so learn from there how to add screenshots, colored text, video etc...

 

[Spank_my_kodo]

I see you gave Expanders more time to select their race! The map is now perfect in my opinion. Though, it could probably use 1 more gold pile, but that doesn't really matter . I think it was a good idea to remove Water Sprite, that race didn't have enough structures, army, or tower/wall upgrades anyways .
I'm giving this map a [5/5]. I think it deserves it for the variety races, terrain, idea, and game play! good job.

 

[Tanasren]

Can u win alone as the expanders ? i mean killing the ancien alone or u need to wait he is getting hurt by towers than use all ur army to slay him ?

And the Kraken can't do anything after 20 min in game, all is researched etc... no units...
I had a fatal error dunno why during the game this last version.
The tauren ancient had no damage abilities (it was bugged).

 

[Nikkone]

Can u win alone as the expanders ? i mean killing the ancien alone or u need to wait he is getting hurt by towers than use all ur army to slay him ?

And the Kraken can't do anything after 20 min in game, all is researched etc... no units...
I had a fatal error dunno why during the game this last version.
The tauren ancient had no damage abilities (it was bugged).

2.5d is in the making. I'm fixing the ancient bugs and adding many more things to Kraken. I'm also adding a new ancient and fixing gold. Just be patient.

To win as expanders you have to kill the Ancient. There are races designated to do that.

 

[Tanasren]

Omfg i played whole day this game, like a nolife and i hate this ! but o_0 i enjoyed so much this game !! it's as entertaining as vampirism beast !!! i guess it's a fair quality xD

I played Kobold and he is very hard, why does he gains so less wood :x compared to fulborg. The fulborg has a bug : when you research the shaman upgrade or warrior one, then you say "FUCK I MISSCLICKED" and u research the other, then you transform in the form you want but it transforms you into the first form !!
What are the fulborg items seller ? can you tell me plz
And you should make very different items and unique for each race who can build these shops !!
The escape rune is imba cause ur permanently under +50%speed, it should have a cooldown of 10 seconds i guess.

 

[Nikkone]

Omfg i played whole day this game, like a nolife and i hate this ! but o_0 i enjoyed so much this game !! it's as entertaining as vampirism beast !!! i guess it's a fair quality xD

I played Kobold and he is very hard, why does he gains so less wood :x compared to fulborg. The fulborg has a bug : when you research the shaman upgrade or warrior one, then you say "FUCK I MISSCLICKED" and u research the other, then you transform in the form you want but it transforms you into the first form !!
What are the fulborg items seller ? can you tell me plz
And you should make very different items and unique for each race who can build these shops !!
The escape rune is imba cause ur permanently under +50%speed, it should have a cooldown of 10 seconds i guess.

I'm glad you enjoyed it

-Everyone has their own unique lumber gaining qualities
-There is a warning that you cannot reroll, and you don't need to research the other class
-Just look at it on single player
-It doesn't do a full blown 50% speed, it's around 20%.

 

[Tanasren]

I wonder why the rune has no cooldown that's all, i use it all the time now !!
Ok for wood.

And as for the fulborg, i may reexplain : I wanted to make the warrior but i researched the shaman first, i said "fuck i lost 50 gold etc..." so i researched the warrior, then i clicked on the bear leg icon (i guess it's the warrior one) and it transformed me into shaman !!

Playing as an expander is totally awesome, but playing as the ancient is kinda boring, do you know vampirism beast ? it may inspire you to make the ancient funnier to play

PS : i have a lot of suggestions if you want some, these are thought in order to improve the diversity of your great map !!

 

[Tanasren]

I found a bug : when you buy a tome +5 exp with a non hero unit, it crashes the game !!
Why don't you make furbolg a hero when he choose between the two classes ? same for the kobold and the crypt lord. And why don't you make furlbolg able to morph shaman AND warrior but with a cooldown of 5 min ? it would be much more interesting.

the game also crashed three times but dunno why

An ancient who knows how to play will only buy level tome and will gain very easily, it's lame !!
I wonder why a forest protector would let alive all expanders just because he gets more experienced, it's weird and it destroys the fun T_T

 

[Coaster_Man]

I remember playing this game a while ago and I see now that you have fixed it up a bit. I really wanna play this with a full house but no one joins

Things to consider: When golding, players can simply hit S, for stop, to cancel their attack animation. The problem is that they still gain their one gold, meaning that instead of waiting the 2 second (or however long the attack speed cooldown is) cooldown, they can attack, stop, attack, stop etc. to gain gold very quickly. I suggest making some sort of skill that needs to be used on the gold mine that has your wanted cooldown length and also that you only get the gold AFTER the skill has been used. The skill needs to be auto-castable so players don't need to click repeatedly.

Secondly, I tested the map solo as a baser race and found that I required a LOT of gold to make towers and upgrade them. I recall the Kraken's description saying "EASY" so I would assume I needed no gold. Perhaps you could lessen the gold requirement for its upgrades?

ALSO: Please get rid of the Fog of War stuff at the start of the game. Not so that you can see the entire map, but so you can see partially where you are going and where a good lumbering spot/base is. It's really hard to find good spots through the mini map. (I don't know if I'm using the correct vocabulary for "Fog of War" but I mean the Black Mask that covers the uncharted areas of the map, which, at the beginning is the whole map.)

 

[Dragonofcat]

I remember playing this game a while ago and I see now that you have fixed it up a bit. I really wanna play this with a full house but no one joins

Things to consider: When golding, players can simply hit S, for stop, to cancel their attack animation. The problem is that they still gain their one gold, meaning that instead of waiting the 2 second (or however long the attack speed cooldown is) cooldown, they can attack, stop, attack, stop etc. to gain gold very quickly. I suggest making some sort of skill that needs to be used on the gold mine that has your wanted cooldown length and also that you only get the gold AFTER the skill has been used. The skill needs to be auto-castable so players don't need to click repeatedly.

Secondly, I tested the map solo as a baser race and found that I required a LOT of gold to make towers and upgrade them. I recall the Kraken's description saying "EASY" so I would assume I needed no gold. Perhaps you could lessen the gold requirement for its upgrades?

ALSO: Please get rid of the Fog of War stuff at the start of the game. Not so that you can see the entire map, but so you can see partially where you are going and where a good lumbering spot/base is. It's really hard to find good spots through the mini map. (I don't know if I'm using the correct vocabulary for "Fog of War" but I mean the Black Mask that covers the uncharted areas of the map, which, at the beginning is the whole map.)

First... that glitch has been known to us for a while and simply try to keep it out of the publics ears.... working on a fix...

Second.... the word easy doesn't mean low gold... it means easier to kill the ancient with and get away (( this is what i consider it to be idk what Nikk does...))

Third... Fog of War is an area you have discovered but no longer see and Black Mask is undiscovered

 

[Coaster_Man]

Dragonofcat:
First... that glitch has been known to us for a while and simply try to keep it out of the publics ears.... working on a fix...

Second.... the word easy doesn't mean low gold... it means easier to kill the ancient with and get away (( this is what i consider it to be idk what Nikk does...))

Third... Fog of War is an area you have discovered but no longer see and Black Mask is undiscovered

About the golding, ok, didn't know.
Secondly, I usually play a game called Island Defense, and in that the "easy" builders don't require gold so that's what I was thinking of...Because its really easy to sit in a base and let your harvesters get the lumber, no real risk.
Thirdy, yes I meant the Black Mask, and I believe it should be removed so that it is like there is a Fog of War everywhere (gray) and you mostly see where you are going, and not the Black Mask where is it pitch black and you can HARDLY see where to go to harvest lumber or whatever.

 

[Nikkone]

About the golding, ok, didn't know.
Secondly, I usually play a game called Island Defense, and in that the "easy" builders don't require gold so that's what I was thinking of...Because its really easy to sit in a base and let your harvesters get the lumber, no real risk.
Thirdy, yes I meant the Black Mask, and I believe it should be removed so that it is like there is a Fog of War everywhere (gray) and you mostly see where you are going, and not the Black Mask where is it pitch black and you can HARDLY see where to go to harvest lumber or whatever.

Black mask is being removed next version.

It really isn't hard if there's 6 gold piles on the map. Setting up a base next to it isn't hard.

 

[Dragonofcat]

Anyone got any reports on how the AI has been?

 

[MoldyCheese]

Love the map but i think it could use some work , like there could be more seed spots like in island defense, the terrain also looks a little plain u could add some more variation in te ground, and this may sound weird but can you make the name sound more interesting lol, when i host his I've had people leave just because of the name but all in all pretty good map could use some polishing but good job

 

[Dragonofcat]

Love the map but i think it could use some work , like there could be more seed spots like in island defense, the terrain also looks a little plain u could add some more variation in te ground, and this may sound weird but can you make the name sound more interesting lol, when i host his I've had people leave just because of the name but all in all pretty good map could use some polishing but good job

Okay...

1. Seed spots?

2. Terrain aint my thing

3. actually this name gets MORE players than the old one

 

[MoldyCheese]

i mean like small spots for lumbering where non basing races can put down a base and harvest with their main worker like worgen, if u look at island defense u can see alot of spots where the titan cant directly attack the workers but can be reached by spells

 

[Dragonofcat]

They arent really needed... just put up some walls and your fine in more than enough places...

 

[MoldyCheese]

im just sayin it would be a nice option for worg since u cant get walls till u get like 130 gold to make your two upgrade buildings , but I see ur point

 

[Dragonofcat]

There is already enough of them for the worgens you just have to find them...
worgen has permanent invisibility anyway... all he needs is a little extra vision.


Do keep in mind... i dont speak for Nik i speak for myself

 

[Coaster_Man]

Golding Idea

Ok, so here's my idea for the golding problem.
-Create a spell that gives a buff for a certain amount of time which the gold mine will use on the golder. My suggestion would be bloodlust. It was just the first that came to mind.
-Make a buff for the spell.
-Set the duration for the spell to 2 seconds, and the cooldown to 0.
-Make a trigger that will order the gold mine to use the skill against the golder when the golder attacks the mound. If the golder has the buff (from the spell you created) he will not gain gold. If he does not have the buff, he will gain 1 gold and then the gold mine will cast the spell on the golder, giving it the 2 second buff.
I only see one problem with this so far but it would be too much of a hassle for players to glitch.
I made a little sample just for fun.

Screenshot

Sorry about the blurriness, stupid photobucket

 

[Dragonofcat]

Thanks for that help, I was working on something different will see how both work later...

 

[Coaster_Man]

-I was playing as Furbolg, I researched Shamanism, used the Roll Shaman ability, and died. I just instantly died after using the skill, and I was not given a Shaman Furbolg.
-Orb of God costs 75 and sells for 150.
-Also, if for some reason someone doesn't choose their expander in time, they have an extra 1000 gold to give to any player they choose (suggestion, make it cost 1 gold or 1 lumber)

 

[Dragonofcat]

-I was playing as Furbolg, I researched Shamanism, used the Roll Shaman ability, and died. I just instantly died after using the skill, and I was not given a Shaman Furbolg.
-Orb of God costs 75 and sells for 150.
-Also, if for some reason someone doesn't choose their expander in time, they have an extra 1000 gold to give to any player they choose (suggestion, make it cost 1 gold or 1 lumber)

Shamanism... tested it worked

Orb of God... yes, yes it does.. NIKK HOTFIX!

1000g... So you do... but would you honestly give up the chance to play to give someone that money?

 

[Nikkone]

-I was playing as Furbolg, I researched Shamanism, used the Roll Shaman ability, and died. I just instantly died after using the skill, and I was not given a Shaman Furbolg.
-Orb of God costs 75 and sells for 150.
-Also, if for some reason someone doesn't choose their expander in time, they have an extra 1000 gold to give to any player they choose (suggestion, make it cost 1 gold or 1 lumber)

-For some reason, I get a lot of complaints like that. But when I go in to test it, it works fine, so I have no idea what to fix.

-Fixed

-Fixed

 

[Ironside]

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