The Beginning - Prologue

Lang · May 2, 2023

Hehey boy, you know I'm waiting for this :grin:

Lang · May 2, 2023

Nice start, but it seems there's like something miss on first mission if player not explore the entire map, the first one like lack of plot since it can be clear by just go through main quest, that i not even try if other chieftain is slain. for the second mission, you immediately put a faction war, not a problem for me since i love big war, just the enemy units feels too strong to handle early, maybe need some items too for the hero. I'm surprise you put that peon to arms. as always, i wait for your next updates :piru:

Cristopher · May 2, 2023

At last

looking forward for the entire project :wthumbsup:

Resyak · May 2, 2023

I guess this is a beta, the maps and cinematics are unfinished, also the movement of custom units like Ner'zhul is not well optimized.

ZiRBy231 · May 3, 2023

Has the signs of very good and interesting campaign, though i liked standard types of armor and damage for Horde units. Swapping armor types between grunts and raiders, no hero or magic type damage... Just unusual, but i can see how that affected tactics. Can't fight draeneis in all out assault though, even against the might of all clans they still hold pretty good. Just builded bunch of towers near their bases and aggro'ed them till they are depleted, then raiders swip all buildings, can't see another strategy. Hero death mechanic is good, hope the campaign will be long enough for it to be seen in all greatness.
Also, Ner'Zhul is against the warlocks, but Shattered Hand guys have those Warlock Archers en masse..? Just a plot hole i guess)

P.S. Unique models for different clans is good, makes it better to see that Horde is not yet united, but works good together. Though i'd wished there were unique stats to them too, different damage or/and armor, even miniscule chance to stun or double-damage would bring more colours.

So far - very promising, will wait for it's updates)

raypack · May 4, 2023

ZiRBy231 said:
Has the signs of very good and interesting campaign, though i liked standard types of armor and damage for Horde units. Swapping armor types between grunts and raiders, no hero or magic type damage... Just unusual, but i can see how that affected tactics. Can't fight draeneis in all out assault though, even against the might of all clans they still hold pretty good. Just builded bunch of towers near their bases and aggro'ed them till they are depleted, then raiders swip all buildings, can't see another strategy. Hero death mechanic is good, hope the campaign will be long enough for it to be seen in all greatness.
Also, Ner'Zhul is against the warlocks, but Shattered Hand guys have those Warlock Archers en masse..? Just a plot hole i guess)

P.S. Unique models for different clans is good, makes it better to see that Horde is not yet united, but works good together. Though i'd wished there were unique stats to them too, different damage or/and armor, even miniscule chance to stun or double-damage would bring more colours.

So far - very promising, will wait for it's updates)

Thank you!
Before I start commenting about your comment; I had also done a 3rd map for the prologue but decided to redo it from scratch but I might update it here before full release of all missions.
Now, for your points:

I always hated hero damage type; The Crystal Artillery of the dranei has magical damage against units (last time I checked) and siege against buildings. But the rest of units don't since this mostly uses Reign of Chaos balancing (90 max food too) with a few exceptions obviously.
I didn't know what other name to give them; the warlock archers, since the unit/model itself is called like that on HiveWorkshop.
Yes good point, I could change some stats for different units of each clan.
The bases of the draenei should be hard to take on in the early and mid game, even with allies. But in late game your allies will get very strong. Maraad's base is the weaker one so if you destroy it first, then all of the clans will attack Velen.

Also I will add a cinematic at the end of the mission (idk how I missed that to be honest, I had it all planned out).

Thank you again for playing this and for your feedback.

Resyak · May 4, 2023

Don't take my comment the wrong way, just spend some time when you can to improve the graphic aspect of the map, optimize the movement of the custom units a bit and everything will improve a lot.

ZiRBy231 · May 4, 2023

raypack said:
Thank you!
Before I start commenting about your comment; I had also done a 3rd map for the prologue but decided to redo it from scratch but I might update it here before full release of all missions.
Now, for your points:

I always hated hero damage type; The Crystal Artillery of the dranei has magical damage against units (last time I checked) and siege against buildings. But the rest of units don't since this mostly uses Reign of Chaos balancing (90 max food too) with a few exceptions obviously.

I didn't know what other name to give them; the warlock archers, since the unit/model itself is called like that on HiveWorkshop.

Yes good point, I could change some stats for different units of each clan.

The bases of the draenei should be hard to take on in the early and mid game, even with allies. But in late game your allies will get very strong. Maraad's base is the weaker one so if you destroy it first, then all of the clans will attack Velen.

Also I will add a cinematic at the end of the mission (idk how I missed that to be honest, I had it all planned out).

Thank you again for playing this and for your feedback.

My bad, forgot about Artillery.) Still, mages without magic damage looks unusual. I'll just leave it at that, not my right to change it.)
About archers, it's not so important, can be changed for "Orc-spearthrower" model or be left like that.
Draenei's can be beaten, just my skills being like they are.) Gives edge to the mission, and their rebuilding of destroyed barracks and shrines may be applied to the towers too, to make it more challengeable.

Don't know if that would be a useful piece of advice, but you may consider letting players choose the clan they are playing for, or mixing unique troops of those to Ner'Zhul's barracks. Have seen it in Arkain TS campaign and it made maps enjoyable to replay.

Anyway, I like that campaign and am happy to be of service!

raypack · May 4, 2023

ZiRBy231 said:
My bad, forgot about Artillery.) Still, mages without magic damage looks unusual. I'll just leave it at that, not my right to change it.)

About archers, it's not so important, can be changed for "Orc-spearthrower" model or be left like that.

Draenei's can be beaten, just my skills being like they are.) Gives edge to the mission, and their rebuilding of destroyed barracks and shrines may be applied to the towers too, to make it more challengeable.

Don't know if that would be a useful piece of advice, but you may consider letting players choose the clan they are playing for, or mixing unique troops of those to Ner'Zhul's barracks. Have seen it in Arkain TS campaign and it made maps enjoyable to replay.

Anyway, I like that campaign and am happy to be of service!

About mixing the troops, I understand what you are saying. I will look into it for sure!

Ebenezer_Scourge · May 10, 2023

Regarding your mission statement;
"This is 1 of the few main things I'd like to do in this campaign but it might be replaced by the other ideas I've got"
Just some advice, if it really is "the main thing", decide on that right now. That's a big commitment and not something that you will be able to bail on easily later. People will approach missions very differently depending on what you decide and may be bummed out if they get further in and you don't implement the feature.

deepstrasz · Jun 29, 2023

The cage dropped an enemy Orc Warlock, not a shaman. The giant skeleton remained neutral.
Gul'dan has no hero glow. It can simply be added: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
Draenei Anchorite has hero glow. Its body will remain on the battlefield as the model has no decay animation.

Sadly, monotonous and empty terrain and gameplay, not even close to the original Warcraft III campaign experience.
Simple.

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stan0033 · Jun 29, 2023

The beginning ? of what? can't you pick a more unique name for your map?

raypack · Jun 29, 2023

deepstrasz said:
The cage dropped an enemy Orc Warlock, not a shaman. The giant skeleton remained neutral.
Gul'dan has no hero glow. It can simply be added: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
Draenei Anchorite has hero glow. Its body will remain on the battlefield as the model has no decay animation.

Sadly, monotonous and empty terrain and gameplay, not even close to the original Warcraft III campaign experience.
Simple.

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Well I cannot debate you on the monotonous gameplay (most likely referring to the second mission I assume), but are you certain the cage drops, not only an Orc Warlock, but an enemy one as well??? I've played the map many times and on different computers as well and it never happens. It's basically impossible for it to happen.

For the giant skeleton the same, although it remains neutral passive for a second or so , so it can have an uninterrupted birth animation, it always becomes neutral hostile.

May I ask on which version you played the campaign?

stan0033 said:
The beginning ? of what? can't you pick a more unique name for your map?

What do you suggest then?

stan0033 · Jun 29, 2023

raypack said:
What do you suggest then?

Be createive. It's your map and you know what is about. If you can't brainstorm it, probably consult chat GPT

using an ambiguous or vague title for a project is just so distasteful. If I was a moderator I'd request you change it and set it to awaiting update

deepstrasz · Jun 29, 2023

raypack said:
May I ask on which version you played the campaign?

1.30.4.

raypack · Jun 29, 2023

deepstrasz said:
1.30.4.

Interesting, I play it on 1.29.2 and I swear none of the forementioned issues are present. Probably almost dozen playtests done. I will look into it when I can though.

Lang · Feb 7, 2024

Any news? this thread seems abandon

raypack · Feb 8, 2024

Lang said:
Any news? this thread seems abandon

Thank you for showing interest in my campaign(s)!
About this campaign; for now its development is put on hold but not abandoned.
I realized that making something too big is not possible for me so I shall definitely take a step back with some of my ideas.

But fear not! Thanks to Proxy's new draenei models I am very motivated to continue working on this but for now I am focused on a couple of other things that will help me become a better map maker.

The Beginning - Prologue

The Beginning (Campaign)

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