Anime Game Altered Melee (AGAM) v1.3

LISBOAH · Aug 13, 2023

I played for thirty minutes and I loved it. I picked Albedo, Shalltear and Ainz.
Too bad we can only pick three of these awesome characters.

Daffa · Aug 15, 2023

Anime-wise, this is very interesting. Gameplay wise, some felt somewhat underwhelming. I still like the map overall, and inclusion of more anime characters is something I really support.

Fleck · Aug 15, 2023

Daffa said:
Anime-wise, this is very interesting. Gameplay wise, some felt somewhat underwhelming. I still like the map overall, and inclusion of more anime characters is something I really support.

Which ones are underwhelming? Perhaps I can make it more epic :grin:

And yea, we need more anime and game characters especially in the altered melee category since they are usually seen only in aos, hero arena and hero siege.

deepstrasz · Aug 15, 2023

The problem with this is that thematically it's misplaced, like some of Razorclaw_X's works mixing StarCraft and Warcraft material with anime.
For those AoS maps in question, it fits because they are visually consistent and the scope is anime inspired, wholly. I mean, a total anime conversion creative anime altered melee map would have been the way to go.
Regardless, the bigger issue is these heroes having more AoS oriented abilities rather than melee ones.
The map should be saved for higher TfT melee patches because not all regular Tavern heroes appear.
Shark vTuber's ultimate is just Tranquility, nothing custom. Also, the clouds are quite visually impeding when multiple units would be on the screen.
Long Ears has Searing Arrows like the Priestess of the Moon.
Entoma has Evasion like the Demon Hunter.
Blood Frenzy=Berserk.
Some spells like the Meteor Fall and Water Form seem to be taken straight out of DotA.
Flying heroes especially for so long is heavily imbalanced.
Demiurge has Inferno as the Dreadlord.

So while a nice idea in theory, it's just some custom heroes dressed up for a masked ball. More importantly, they are not quite melee ready. Also, some custom abilities are not impressive at all but are merely bonus stats which should be something items give IMO.

Approved.

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Fleck · Aug 15, 2023

deepstrasz said:
The problem with this is that thematically it's misplaced, like some of Razorclaw_X's works mixing StarCraft and Warcraft material with anime.

Acktually the Alexstrasza model was converted by Gtron, not Razorclaw_X. Personally, I think it's fine and very cool that characters from multiple universes are colliding in a single map.

deepstrasz said:
For those AoS maps in question, it fits because they are visually consistent and the scope is anime inspired, wholly. I mean, a total anime conversion creative anime altered melee map would have been the way to go.

Custom heroes in tavern was the intention like the maps I listed in the inspiration list. But an anime race is a nice idea and I might do in the future... Though getting the appropriate building models with animations would be hardest part.

deepstrasz said:
Regardless, the bigger issue is these heroes having more AoS oriented abilities rather than melee ones.

I think it's fine? But more indepth information will help me rebalance the heroes.

deepstrasz said:
The map should be saved for higher TfT melee patches because not all regular Tavern heroes appear.

The map is set to use the latest melee patch already. I thought it would automatically add the missing neutral heroes but it didn't. Probably because I edited the tavern object data to add the next and previous page buttons. I will fix it in the next update.

deepstrasz said:
Shark vTuber's ultimate is just Tranquility, nothing custom.
Long Ears has Searing Arrows like the Priestess of the Moon.
Entoma has Evasion like the Demon Hunter.
Demiurge has Inferno as the Dreadlord.

As for the vanilla skills, well I ran out of ideas. Future updates would probably replace these abilities with new custom abilities.

deepstrasz said:
Also, the clouds are quite visually impeding when multiple units would be on the screen.

Unfortunately, reducing the scaling value of the Storm Cloud kinda breaks the model... And there are no appropriate other models to replace it.

deepstrasz said:
Flying heroes especially for so long is heavily imbalanced.

Hm, I keep that in mind. I might remove the flight in the future updates.

deepstrasz said:
Some spells like the Meteor Fall and Water Form seem to be taken straight out of DotA.

Well I have little to no experience with Dota, so I didn't know that. The Meteor Fall was based from the overlord wiki.

deepstrasz · Aug 15, 2023

Fleck said:
Acktually the Alexstrasza model was converted by Gtron, not Razorclaw_X. Personally, I think it's fine and very cool that characters from multiple universes are colliding in a single map.

I wasn't referring to who converted what.
I was referring to:

and

Again, when done right like say Heroes of the Storm and others, it's good but simply adding anime heroes as tavern heroes doesn't make sense story and neither gameplay-wise.

Fleck said:
Well I have little to no experience with Dota, so I didn't know that. The Meteor Fall was based from the overlord wiki.

Check out this time stamp.

Fleck · Aug 16, 2023

deepstrasz said:
I wasn't referring to who converted what.
I was referring to:

and

Again, when done right like say Heroes of the Storm and others, it's good but simply adding anime heroes as tavern heroes doesn't make sense story and neither gameplay-wise.

Then we will have to agree to disagree. I don't think it negatively affects the map gameplay-wise.

deepstrasz said:
Check out this time stamp.

Thanks, you learn something new everyday. The spell thread description didn't mention that it was based off a dota spell.

deepstrasz · Aug 16, 2023

You could use assets from here:

Anime Island

| Anime Island | By Wisdom Anime-ish terrain template map for anime mappers. hopefully could be used effectively across Wc3 Community especially for those who wanted to make anime maps. i use 3 anime for it's design base which the same that could be found in Battle Stadium D.O.N - Wikipedia...

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Aos Template 1.0

Here is my old friend request project for Asian themed AOS. 7 hours of works done on that map. All map design belongs to me so dont forget to give credit to me: lord_Marrowgrath Here is features: -2 massive landscape -2 Small vs area: Dojo/Arena Also dont forget to give credits to custom...

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to make the terrain anime-like which would make sense for the heroes to be there and Warcraft III armies ended up in that anime world for some reason.

Fleck · Aug 16, 2023

deepstrasz said:
You could use assets from here:

Anime Island

| Anime Island | By Wisdom Anime-ish terrain template map for anime mappers. hopefully could be used effectively across Wc3 Community especially for those who wanted to make anime maps. i use 3 anime for it's design base which the same that could be found in Battle Stadium D.O.N - Wikipedia...

www.hiveworkshop.com

Aos Template 1.0

Here is my old friend request project for Asian themed AOS. 7 hours of works done on that map. All map design belongs to me so dont forget to give credit to me: lord_Marrowgrath Here is features: -2 massive landscape -2 Small vs area: Dojo/Arena Also dont forget to give credits to custom...

www.hiveworkshop.com

to make the terrain anime-like which would make sense for the heroes to be there and Warcraft III armies ended up in that anime world for some reason.

Oh, nice suggestion :infl_thumbs_up:

I did it consider using custom ui and tiles in this map before and refrained but I might acutally do it in future updates since map file size isn't really a concern anymore.

FeelMyRash · Dec 9, 2023

Finally got around to playing a match.

I played an FFA as Humans. My first hero choice was Alexstrasa and it played pretty much like a normal Melee. Later on I got Strongest Floor Guardian and, though it went well at first, I eventually got defeated. That to me says the heroes are pretty well balanced (or I'm just bad at Melee no matter what Heroes there are XD).

Admittedly I'm only familiar with Alexstrasa (I actually find her a weird addition since she's not really from an anime...?)

I'm definetly looking forward to more heroes and I'll also play around with a few more.

Some heroes that I'd personally be interested in seeing in future updates:

Seras Victoria from Hellsing Ultimate (I think she's got a model on Chaosrealm)
Pretty much anyone from Akame ga Kill (not sure if models exist).
I know Mikasa may be added in the future but more AoT Heroes would be amazing.

I could try and think up powers as well but I'll post those to the Development Thread.

Also, maybe you could add quotes to the heroes when they do certain actions through in-game text? Just an idea, really. It wouldn't have to be a whole speechbank or anything. Maybe even just a line for when they spawn?

I also think a little bit of history maybe in their description could be nice. I doubt I'm the only one unfamiliar with some of the characters and a bit of in-game context would be nice. All up to you, of course.

The map was really fun and I'm looking forward to future updates. I actually really love Anime-themed Warcraft maps and this one I feel was done well.

Review might be a bit long but I had a lot of thoughts.

Fleck · Dec 10, 2023

FeelMyRash said:
Finally got around to playing a match.

I played an FFA as Humans. My first hero choice was Alexstrasa and it played pretty much like a normal Melee. Later on I got Strongest Floor Guardian and, though it went well at first, I eventually got defeated. That to me says the heroes are pretty well balanced (or I'm just bad at Melee no matter what Heroes there are XD).

Yea, even though I played Warcraft alot I'm not a pro player either :grin:

FeelMyRash said:
Admittedly I'm only familiar with Alexstrasa (I actually find her a weird addition since she's not really from an anime...?)

While the map is pretty anime-centric, its also includes game characters + other misc characters (Gura which is a vTuber). The G in the name is for the game characters. I'm planning to add more game related characters eventually.

FeelMyRash said:
I'm definetly looking forward to more heroes and I'll also play around with a few more.

Some heroes that I'd personally be interested in seeing in future updates:

Seras Victoria from Hellsing Ultimate (I think she's got a model on Chaosrealm)
Pretty much anyone from Akame ga Kill (not sure if models exist).
I know Mikasa may be added in the future but more AoT Heroes would be amazing.

I could try and think up powers as well but I'll post those to the Development Thread.

Did a quick search and yeah there are models. I think there is even an Akame ga Kill map here in hive though for a bit I confused this for Kill la Kill.
Yea, I already gotten some ideas for Eren by searching AoT x game collab wikis. You might see Eren after Mikasa is added.

Also I already written a list of heroes to add other than the 4 heroes I mentioned previously but I seems to have misplaced it somewhere... For posterity, I will write it here.

From top of my head in no particular order:
Junpei Lori (Persona 3 - Anime/Manga/Game)
Aigis (Persona 3 - Anime/Manga/Game)
Marco Rossi/Eri Kasamoto (Metal Slug series - Game)
Bomberman (Game)
Loki (Marvel Comics - Other)
Naruto or Sasuke (pretty low on priority list)
Sadako/Kayako (J Horror Movies - Other)
Samus (Game)
Mobile Game Gacha Characters (Game)

FeelMyRash said:
Also, maybe you could add quotes to the heroes when they do certain actions through in-game text? Just an idea, really. It wouldn't have to be a whole speechbank or anything. Maybe even just a line for when they spawn?

Well there is a quote already in the map. When Goblin Slayer revives using his ultimate Slayer's Will he will say a text line "Not yet...!"

But yeah, I can see what you mean. A nice idea, I will put it on the to do list.

I actually even have Ainz voicelines though I recall that playing custom sounds causes it to play across the entire map instead of where Ainz is but I was pretty new to mapmaking back then. I might try my hand at that again.

FeelMyRash said:
I also think a little bit of history maybe in their description could be nice. I doubt I'm the only one unfamiliar with some of the characters and a bit of in-game context would be nice. All up to you, of course.

Very true. I will add some basic info for them in future versions.

FeelMyRash said:
The map was really fun and I'm looking forward to future updates. I actually really love Anime-themed Warcraft maps and this one I feel was done well.

Review might be a bit long but I had a lot of thoughts.

Glad you enjoyed the map, thanks for the review :grin:

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	Black Hole: Summon a black hole that pull, damage and slow hostile units in a target area.
	Dark Wisdom: Increases the Sorcerer King's intelligence and mana regeneration.
	Meteor Fall: Summons a meteor from space to pummel the targeted area. When the meteor hits the ground, it will deal damage to nearby enemy units and roll for a set distance. As it rolls, it will deal damage per second and knock back enemy units that are in its path. If the meteor rolls the full distance or runs into a structure or terrain, it will explode; dealing damage and stunning enemy units for a few seconds.

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	Taunt: The Guardian Overseer taunts 10 closest enemies, increasing her armor and returning damage to enemy melee attackers.
	Constitution Up: Gives a permanent bonus to hit points and hit point regeneration.
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	Stout Demon's Gigantic Arms: The Defense Commander’s arm swell up to several times its original size to damage and knockback enemies in front of him.
	Command Mantra: Takes control of a target enemy unit temporarily. Command Mantra cannot be used on Heroes, or creeps above level 5. Cooldown, duration and range effectiveness increase with level.
	Fiendish Intellect: Provides a permanent intelligence bonus.
	Inferno: Calls an Infernal down from the sky, dealing damage and stunning enemy land units for a few seconds in an area.

	Thirsting Claws: Conjure dark claws that ripples outward in three lines. Each line deal damage to land units. Convert half of the damage dealt as hit points for the caster.
	Blood Frenzy: Causes the caster to attack faster, but take more damage in return.
	Blood Pool: Gain hit points and mana from melee damage dealt to non-mechanical enemy units.
	Einherjar: Create a golem-like construct in the likeness of the caster. Unlike the Blademaster's Mirror Image, the Einherjar can deal and receive damage normally. Dispels all magic from the Caster.

	Piercing Wind Talisman: Invokes a piercing wind to deal damage and reduces armor temporarily to each non-mechanical enemy land unit in a line.
	Strengthen Talisman: Increase friendly units' damage and armor near the caster. The range and buff effectiveness increase with level.
	Evasion: Gives a percent chance to avoid attacks.
	Lunch Time: Teleport and deals damage to the targeted organic ground hostile unit and heals Arachnid Battle Maid the same amount.

	Explosive Spell: Shot a explosive spell at a target, damaging the target and nearby hostile units.
	Penetrating Spell: Shot a penetrating spell at a target that deals damage and reduces armor of the target.
	Evasive Maneuvers: Gives a percent chance to avoid attacks when moving.
	Elenium Type 95: The caster begins to pray to God (Being X), turning the caster's eyes gold and activating Elenium Type 95. Change the attack type to Chaos, doubles the range of attack, increased mana, sight range, and grants ultravision to the caster. Lasts 60 seconds.

	Knife Throw: Throw a knife at a target, damaging the target with a chance to deal more damage.
	Set Bear Trap: Places a temporary, hidden bear trap at a target point. Enemy units that move near the bear trap will activate the bear trap, causing area of effect damage to nearby units. The closest enemy unit to the activated bear trap cannot move or attack and takes damage per second for a few seconds.
	Creepkiller: Increases non-spell damage dealt to enemy units with each level learned.
	Slayer's Will: Automatically grants 6 hit point regeneration per second for 60 seconds if Goblin Slayer's hit points is below 50% of his maximum health. Hit point regeneration ability has a 120 second cooldown. Also gives Goblin Slayer a 30% percent chance to revive upon death.

	Life Arrow: Fires a magical arrow of healing in a straight line, healing hit points of friendly land units.
	Searing Arrows: Adds a fire effect to each attack, adding bonus damage.
	Suppressive Fire Aura: An aura that gives hostile nearby units reduced damage to their ranged attacks.
	Focus Fire: Focuses High Elf Archer innate keen senses; increasing her attack speed and to be able attack additional targets with basic attacks.

	Black Rock Machine Gun: With her Rock Cannon, rapidly fire bullets in a line that damage hostile units and structures and leaves afterimages of her firing bullets.
	Blue Eye Flame: Temporarily grants Critical Strike and Evasion for 30 seconds. Dispels all negativbe buffs.
	Bonded Heart: Black Rock Shooter gains attack damage and armor for each allied hero within 900 range, stackable up to a certain limit depending on level.
	Black Rock Cannon: Shot a powerful beam that obliterates anything in its path with 1 second casting time. The damage is based on the current amount of mana of Black Rock Shooter. Deals 1.5 damage with each mana point stored. Uses up all mana of Black Rock Shooter.

	Life Unbound: Heal a friendly living unit and deal damage to nearby enemies.
	Breath of Life: Brings back to life of 1 friendly nearby unit.
	Life Aura: Increases the life regeneration rate of nearby friendly units.
	Blessing of the Red: Gives a temporary large bonus of hit points to the targeted friendly unit.

	Water Form: The caster turns into flowing water, moving forward and dealing damage to enemy units in its path.
	Water Barrier: Creates a shield of water around a target friendly unit. The shield adds hit points and armor.
	Storm Clouds: Automatically creates Storm Cloud(s) that follows the Shark vTuber and attacks nearby enemies.
	Tranquility: Causes rains of healing energy to pour down in a large area, healing friendly allied units.

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