[Altered Melee] Fleck's Melee Altered Development Thread

[Fleck]

Here is where I post my altered melee races ideas, concepts, screenshots, etc. Ultimately, I planned to merge all my finished altered melee races into a single map like Ultimate Battle or The Third Age.

Finished Races
While these races are considered complete, I might update them every now and then.

1. Bandits
Status: Released
Background
Bandits prey upon hapless travelers and soldiers alike. These lawless "rogues" think only of theft and burglary and enjoy causing great pain to their victims as well. Though the Alliance has offered large bounties towards the capture of these wretched men, they always find a way to slink back into the shadows of the wilds.

The Bandit's Crucible v1.8c

The Bandit's Crucible v1.8 Created by Fleck Map Info: Bandits prey upon hapless travelers and soldiers alike. These lawless "rogues" think only of theft and burglary and enjoy causing great pain to their victims as well. Though the Alliance has offered large bounties towards the capture of...

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2. Sisters of Battle
Status: Updated
Background
The Adepta Sororitas, colloquially called the "Sisterhood," whose military arm is also known as the Sisters of Battle and formerly as the Daughters of the Emperor, are an all-female division of the Imperium of Man's state church known as the Ecclesiarchy or, more formally, as the Adeptus Ministorum.

The Sisterhood's Orders Militant serve as the Ecclesiarchy's armed forces, mercilessly rooting out spiritual corruption and heresy within Humanity and every organisation of the Adeptus Terra.

Sisters of Battle v2.3

Sisters of Battle v2.3 Altered melee by Fleck, terrain by Zucth Map Info: No army is big enough to conquer the galaxy... But faith alone can overturn the universe. Play as the fanatical Adepta Sororitas more popularly known as Sisters of Battle with their holy trinity of weapons: the Bolter...

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3. Anime Game Altered Melee (AGAM)
Status: Updated
Background
Custom tavern heroes with custom skills from various animes and games!

Anime Game Altered Melee (AGAM) v1.8

Anime Game Altered Melee v1.8 Created by Fleck "I will announce the goal for everyone turn Ainz Ooal Gown into an eternal legend. If there are many heroes, then we will replace them all. Let the entire world know that Ainz Ooal Gown is the true hero!" Map Info: Features: New heroes in...

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Spoiler: To do list

Spoiler: Possible Heroes to add

Mikasa Ackerman (Attack on Titan)
BB (Fate)
Alter Ego S (Fate)
Kumoko-chan (Kumo desu ga, Nani ka? - Anime, Manga, Lightnovel Character)
Shadow (The Eminence In Shadow - Anime, Manga, Lightnovel Character)
Junpei Lori (Persona 3 - Anime/Manga/Game)
Aigis (Persona 3 - Anime/Manga/Game)
Marco Rossi/Eri Kasamoto (Metal Slug series - Game)
Bomberman (Game)
Loki (Marvel Comics - Other)
Naruto or Sasuke (pretty low on priority list)
Sadako/Kayako (J Horror Movies - Other)
Samus (Game)
Mobile Game Gacha Characters (Game)
Sally Whitemane

Spoiler: Random events

Dungeon Break (temporary neutral hostile gate spawn near random player building that spits out monsters until destroyed or timer runs out)
Traveling merchants
Unique monster spotted that drops unique item(s) when killed
Rich ore vein discovered that increases a random gold mine mineable gold amount

Replace default creeps with anime/game ones. Rats, Slimes, One Piece Pirates/Marines, Orochi's Serpent Soldiers, Three Kingdoms Soldiers, Shinra Public Security Forces, modern zombies

Use custom tiles

More mercenaries

Destroyable neutral buildings

Replace Vanilla Items name and description

Custom music?

Planned Races

1. Villagers
Status: 60% progress
A generic villager race with inspiration from isekai animes.

2. Adeptus Mechanicus
Status: 50% progress
Background
The Adeptus Mechanicus is the official Imperial name within the Adeptus Terra for the Cult Mechanicus or Cult of the Machine based on Mars which provides the Imperium with its scientists, engineers and technicians.

The tech-adepts of the Mechanicus are the primary keepers of what is viewed as sacred wisdom, a privileged caste of Tech-priests who jealously guard the knowledge required to maintain and construct much of the Imperium's advanced technology.

Mechanics
Unique economy - does not need workers to mine gold and gather lumber (undecided if I make a unit gather lumber instead)
Build Radius - requires buildings to be built near townhalls and plasma generators (might not make it to the map if difficult to implement. If implemented, ai will not be affected by build radius)

Techtree

Spoiler

Townhall
Sub-Cloister -> Cloister -> Forge Temple

Goldmine
Haemotrope Reactor - Provides a steady flow of Gold until the gold mine is exhausted.

Lumber
Plasma Generator - Provides a steady flow of Lumber.

Altar
Altar of the Machine God - Summons and revives heroes. (Archmagos Prime, Magos Explorator, Rogue Trader)

Barracks
Genetor Caropraedium - Trains Fulgurite Electro-Priests, Skitarii Hypaspists, and Castellan Robots. Also contains the Voltagheist Field, and Orbs of Omnissiah upgrades.
Fulgurite Electro-Priest - Holy warrior of the Omnissiah that can reclaim the Motive Force from vile unbelievers. Can learn the Voltagheist Field ability. Attacks land units.

Research
Librarium Omnis

Farm
Ferratonic Furnace

Vehicles and Aircraft
Manufactorum Cybernetica - Produces Leman Russ King Pattern Battle Tanks, Skorpius Duneriders, Hell Stalkers, Aetos Combat Drones and Archaeopter Transvectors.

Tower
Tarantula Sentry Gun

Market
Jokaero Trader Encampment

Screenshot

Spoiler

3. Corrupted Ancients/Night Elves/Satyr Race
Status: 10% progress
Background
Satyrs (sometimes pluralized as satyr) are a race of bestial demons usually sworn to the Burning Legion. They are created through the spreading of the ancient satyr curse, an affliction which originated with Xavius, a Highborne sorcerer who was destroyed and remade into a demonic form as a punishment for his failures by Sargeras during the War of the Ancients. In modern times, satyrs mostly live in various sects throughout Kalimdor and exist only to harry their hated night elf cousins and obey the will of the Legion, though others have instead sworn fealty to the Old Gods and work to spread the influence of the Emerald Nightmare.

4. Kobold Race
Status: 0% progress (Will begin work once villagers or Adeptus Mechanicus are completed and released)

5. Starcraft Races
Status: 0% progress (Will begin work once villagers or Adeptus Mechanicus are completed and released)

6. Command and Conquer Generals
Status: 0% progress (Will begin work once villagers or Adeptus Mechanicus are completed and released)

7. Tropico Simulator (Life of a President (LOAP))
Status: 0% progress (Will begin work once villagers or Adeptus Mechanicus are completed and released)
Technically fits the description of altered melee in my opinion.

8. Zombie Survival
Status: 10% progress (Will begin work once villagers or Adeptus Mechanicus are completed and released)
Technically fits the description of altered melee in my opinion. Inspired by Rebuild and Last Stand games.

Fleck's Melee Altered Combined (FMAC)

Spoiler: To do list

Disable specific race triggers when no one playing as that race.

 

[FeelMyRash]

I'm curious about the "Anime Altered Melee". What anime/games have you included if I may ask?

 

[nchp1903]

Not a Warhammer player, but I'm still fascinated with Adeptus Mechanicus and I'm looking forward to your making it work.

As for Starcraft Races, you can check out piesofnorth's Zerg Campaign which is really impressive on the technical level, to get more than a few pointers.

 

[Fleck]

I'm curious about the "Anime Altered Melee". What anime/games have you included if I may ask?

Sure. By the way, can you see the screenshot in the spoiler? If not, try opening the image in a new tab.

Overlord (Anime, Manga, Lightnovel)
Momonga, Sorcerer King
Albedo, Guardian Overseer
Demiurge, Defense Commander
Shalltear Bloodfallen, Strongest Floor Guardian
Entoma Vasilissa Zeta, Arachnid Battle Maid

Youjo Senki/Saga of Tanya the Evil (Anime, Manga, Lightnovel)
Tanya von Degurechaff, Devil of the Rhine

Goblin Slayer (Anime, Manga, Lightnovel)
Goblin Slayer
High Elf Archer

Heroes of the Storm (Game)
Alexstrasza, Draqonqueen

Other
Gawr Gura, Shark vTuber

I'm also accepting heroes and skills suggestions though no guarantee that it will be added.

Not a Warhammer player, but I'm still fascinated with Adeptus Mechanicus and I'm looking forward to your making it work.

As for Starcraft Races, you can check out piesofnorth's Zerg Campaign which is really impressive on the technical level, to get more than a few pointers.

Thanks for the interest, stay tuned!
Yea, I really need to play PiesOfNorth's Zerg Campaign one of these days. It's on my to do list

 

[FeelMyRash]

Sure. By the way, can you see the screenshot in the spoiler? If not, try opening the image in a new tab.

Overlord (Anime, Manga, Lightnovel)
Momonga, Sorcerer King
Albedo, Guardian Overseer
Demiurge, Defense Commander
Shalltear Bloodfallen, Strongest Floor Guardian
Entoma Vasilissa Zeta, Arachnid Battle Maid

Youjo Senki/Saga of Tanya the Evil (Anime, Manga, Lightnovel)
Tanya von Degurechaff, Devil of the Rhine

Goblin Slayer (Anime, Manga, Lightnovel)
Goblin Slayer
High Elf Archer

Heroes of the Storm (Game)
Alexstrasza, Draqonqueen

Other
Gawr Gura, Shark vTuber

I'm also accepting heroes and skills suggestions though no guarantee that it will be added.


Thanks for the interest, stay tuned!
Yea, I really need to play PiesOfNorth's Zerg Campaign one of these days. It's on my to do list

Thank you for the reply

Unfortunately I can't see the image. All I see is a line. Attempting to open it in another tab also doesn't seems to work...

I don't know any of these anime so there's not much I can't say of the characters. I've been interested in doing an anime-themed Dungeon Crawler map but there's a severe lack of resources so its fallen by the wayside. I do have some hero ideas left over from it but I'm not sure about them.

I'm also interested in your Warhammer maps so I might check "Sisters of Battle" out later.

 

[Fleck]

Thank you for the reply

Unfortunately I can't see the image. All I see is a line. Attempting to open it in another tab also doesn't seems to work...

I don't know any of these anime so there's not much I can't say of the characters. I've been interested in doing an anime-themed Dungeon Crawler map but there's a severe lack of resources so its fallen by the wayside. I do have some hero ideas left over from it but I'm not sure about them.

I'm also interested in your Warhammer maps so I might check "Sisters of Battle" out later.

Strange, I can see it on my end. I may need up to upload the images here then.

I highly recommend chaosrealm.co (needs account) and xgm.guru/p/wc3/resources (use Google Chrome Google Translate feauture for russian to english text) for your anime and game models needs

Enjoy, my maps also includes custom AI

 

[FeelMyRash]

Strange, I can see it on my end. I may need up to upload the images here then.

I highly recommend chaosrealm.co (needs account) and xgm.guru/p/wc3/resources (use Google Chrome Google Translate feauture for russian to english text) for your anime and game models needs

Enjoy, my maps also includes custom AI

I've had trouble making an account on Chaosrealm but I'll check out xgm.guru

 

[Fleck]

I've had trouble making an account on Chaosrealm but I'll check out xgm.guru

Try joining the chaosrealm discord and asking for help in staff help channel there, the admin usually responds in a day or so.

You could also make a request in Requests forum here, I could share any models there.

 

[Fleck]

Just ported AGAM to FMAC, noticed some bugs and squashed it. The attached FMAC map in the original post has been updated. The next version of AGAM will include new heroes and maybe a new map.

Possible new heroes in no particular order:
Tatsumaki (One Punch Man)
Mikasa Ackerman (Attack on Titan)
BB (Fate)
Alter Ego S (Fate)

Adding a new map to the Sisters of Battle, AGAM, FMAC is on the to do list.

I also extracted and converted some starcraft audio so I might do a starcraft campaign too somewhere in the future.

 

[FeelMyRash]

Just ported AGAM to FMAC, noticed some bugs and squashed it. The attached FMAC map in the original post has been updated. The next version of AGAM will include new heroes and maybe a new map.

Possible new heroes in no particular order:
Tatsumaki (One Punch Man)
Mikasa Ackerman (Attack on Titan)
BB (Fate)
Alter Ego S (Fate)

Adding a new map to the Sisters of Battle, AGAM, FMAC is on the to do list.

I also extracted and converted some starcraft audio so I might do a starcraft campaign too somewhere in the future.

Just curious to know, is there any particular reason you're going with Mikasa and not Eren or Levi?

 

[Fleck]

Just curious to know, is there any particular reason you're going with Mikasa and not Eren or Levi?

Just my personal preference
It helps that 300 Heroes already have nice icons of her and Levi on the fandom wiki.
It also lists their abilities from their MOBA game so I already have ideas to work with.
Plus I already made misc fixes to her model and added a very basic skill anim for the 3D Maneuver Gear skill.

Interesting trivia, it actually where my AGAM Black Rock Shooter got her skills and icons from! Sure, I watched the anime and played the psp game but I just struggling to think up skill ideas for her.

 

[Fleck]

We're so back bros!! AGAM v1.4 just released, adding Terrible Tornado and Dead Master, plus background description to all custom heroes in their tooltips. Eventually I would like to replace the default, vanilla creeps with new models (for example Bandits to One Piece Marines, slimes, etc.) and custom tiles.

I'm planning to update FMAC too to include the new heroes and maybe a new map too. Once that is out the way, I'm going to work on my other altered melees. They been on hold for too long...

Recently, I'm inspired to make a linear zombie rpg with limited basebuilding intended for solo or duo players that can be finished in 30 minutes to 1 hour. Features hopefully morale and food system but I will focus on map terrain and basic features first.

Important note: I been repeatedly updated the map today since I keep finding little bugs as I port the new heroes to FMAC. Things like duplicate hotkeys, incorrect ultimate ability damage for Tatsumaki. Please redownload the map, sorry for the inconvenience!

 

[Fleck]

Thanks to MPQ Editor to export imports with the file paths and JNGP for importing imports with the correct file paths so easily, now you can enjoy playing FMAC on a variety of maps crafted beautifully by Zucth and Knecht! Download it from the original post attachments. Also I'm thinking of posting FMAC to the maps section soon.

Minor edit to FMAC, changed voiceset of Exorcist from Naisha to Steam Tank since I replaced Naisha voicelines with Alexstrasza.

With this way out of the way, I will begin on my other altered melees.

Minor Bugfix: Fixed missing custom icons for heretics, reuploaded FMAC attachment maps.

Edit: Also updated original post, writing down my ideas for AGAM.

 

[FeelMyRash]

Sadako/Kayako (J Horror Movies - Other)

Why not both XD

I'm sure you probably already know this, but there is definitely a Kayako Model on Chaosrealm. I couldn't get it to work in a map, though

Kayako, as my favorite ghost, would be amazing to see. I've always seen her as a slow movement teleport-spammer that traps enemies in place and deals heavy damage with her attacks.

Sadako would be cool, as well. You could maybe take inspiration from the game "Dead by Daylight" and make TV's spawn in areas around the map when she's recruited that she can use to teleport to, or something to that effect.

 

[Fleck]

Why not both XD

I'm sure you probably already know this, but there is definitely a Kayako Model on Chaosrealm. I couldn't get it to work in a map, though

Kayako, as my favorite ghost, would be amazing to see. I've always seen her as a slow movement teleport-spammer that traps enemies in place and deals heavy damage with her attacks.

Sadako would be cool, as well. You could maybe take inspiration from the game "Dead by Daylight" and make TV's spawn in areas around the map when she's recruited that she can use to teleport to, or something to that effect.

We'll see

Yea, I do visit from time to time to see what's new. I downloaded the model some time ago but haven't checked it though. Sadly, usually models there and elsewhere have something missing like attachment refs, deathscream, bloodsplats, etc which I why learned basic modelling to fix such issues. I could make misc fixes to the model if you need it for your map.

That's some great ideas! Especially for Sadako I can see how it works and how to implement it. I just need to check my files if I have any tv models and appropriate special effects... Now it's more likely for her to appear in future versions!

 

[Fleck]

Hiya guys, wanted to let you all know on what's happenings to my maps. In general, my mapmaking is on hiatus again but I do intend to continue update current maps, and release new maps.

Villager Race
To be honest, this was supposed to be my second race to be released to go with my bandit race not Sisters of Battle but I have been blessed by the Emperor's golden vision which led to its release. The initial concept for the villagers is different from the current vision I have right now. I have taken great inspiration from isekai/native isekai animes and D&D. Goblin Slayer and High Elf Archer was supposed to be the villager race heroes but I been meaning to make Anime and Game heroes tavern map too so I transferred them to this new map.

I'm only missing a few custom abilities for the race heroes but I can set placeholder default skills for the time being. For the fourth hero of this race, I thought of a hero similar to neutral tavern beastmaster where instead of animals he summon plants to fight his enemies but the models and special effects are from Plants Vs. Zombies which pretty much clash with the default wc3 graphics so I might add this hero to AGAM instead and do a more traditional hero.

What I have been struggling so much with this race is that I needed a farming mechanic to go with this race. Bandits have mercenary mechanic, Sisters their faith so yea. Althavis (check out his cool races!) decided on a wheat mechanic for his Westfall Brigade race, interesting but I couldn't think of anything to make a unique spin on it for my villager race.

A recent request have given me a idea for the farming mechanic that I need to test if viable. Other than that, I have decided on the villagers to be able raise animals from their farms. For example, chickens provide passive income to villager player every (n) seconds. If enemy players kill the farm animals, they gain a very small gold bounty and temporary food.

I also thought about growing several kinds of item crops that can be automatically stockpiled in barn/granary/windmill/etc with a local or global leaderboard regarding crop prices that goes up and down that is affected randomly and by player actions (selling crops) but I think it seems to be tedious and complicated. Any opinions regarding this is appreciated!

Maybe a really basic stock market too where you can store your gold and generate interest.

Pros
Cheap unit costs?
Strong Siege capabilities
Faster building construction
Mobile resource gathering
Farming mechanic

Neutral
Randomized traits for non-mechanical units

Cons
Low HP non-mechanical units (can be rectified through upgrades)
Lack of defensive structure with an attack
Weak defensive capabilities

I also still need to do few icons and misc model fixes for this race:
Add portrait teamcolor to Militia Archer, Battering Ram, Missile Skyship, Farm, Magic Guild, Market Square
Change Siege Tower, Missile Skyship camera portrait
Icons for Magistrix, Siege Tower, Missile Skyship, Market Square

Buildings:

Frontier Settlement

Frontier Bulwark

Frontier Bastion

Frontier Armory

Magic Guild

Artisanworks or Manufactory

Altar of the Plowman

Logging Camp

Smithery

Crop Farm

Village Watch

Market Square

Primary structure, used to train Pioneers and receive gathered resources. Can be upgraded to Frontier Bulwark to enable the production of additional types of structures and units.

Upgrade to Frontier Bulwark to enable the production of additional types of structures and units.

Upgrade to Frontier Bastion to enable the production of additional types of structures and units.

Primary troop production building. Trains Armed Villagers, Villager Archers, and Horsemen. Also contains the Militia, and Militia Archer upgrades.

Trains Clerics and Magistrixes. Also contains spell upgrades for Clerics and Magistrixes.

Produces Resource Carts, Battering Rams, Siege Towers, and Missile Skyships. Also contains the Improved Wheels, Placeholder, and Repair Crew upgrades.

Summons Heroes. Revives slain Heroes.

Serves as a drop-off point for harvested lumber.

Contains upgrades for improved armor, and weaponry.

Provides food, which increases the maximum number of units that can be trained. Also have the Food Export passive ability, gaining 2 gold income every time the Farm's mana is full.

Defensive structure that has no attack, but detect invisible units and have better night vision than other towers.

Creates a shop with purchasable items. The items available depend upon what level of upgrade your Town Hall has (Frontier Settlement, Frontier Bulwark, or Frontier Bastion) and which buildings you have.

Units:

Pioneer

Armed Villager

Villager Archer

Horseman

Cleric

Magistrix

Resource Cart

Battering Ram

Siege Tower

Attack Pigeon

Missile Skyship

Basic worker unit. Can harvest gold and lumber, build structures and Repair. Attacks land units and trees.

Light melee unit. Trains in pair. Can be upgraded to Militia Villager, increasing their health, damage and armor. Flamer heavy weapon. Attacks land units.

Basic light ranged unit. Can be upgraded to Militia Archer, increasing their health, damage, attack range and armor. Attacks land and air units.

Strong mounted warrior that uses momentum to deal more damage. Attacks land units.

Supporting spellcaster. Can initially use Heal, which increases the life of wounded units. Can also learn Prayers for the Dead and Blessed Embrace. Attacks land and air units.

Supporting spellcaster. Can initially cast Rust, which decreases attack damage of enemy units. Can also learn Cancel Magic and Ray of Disruption. Attacks land and air units.

Mobile, durable resource drop-off point. Can carry 6 units to safety. Can learn the Improved Wheels upgrade.

Heavily armored siege weaponry, effective at destroying buildings. Can learn the Improved Wheels upgrade. Attacks buildings.

Slow, heavily armored siege weaponry that can garrison inside Villager Archers to attack enemy units and structures. Can learn the Improved Wheels upgrade. Attacks land and air units.

Light flying attack creature. Attacks land and air units.

Massive flying missile ship good at destroying enemy units and bombarding buildings from above. Can learn Repair Crew ability. Attacks land and air units.

Heroes:

Merchant

Witch

Rogue

Placeholder Melee Hero

Cunning Ranged Hero, adept at generating and utilizing wealth. Can learn Bribe, Trade Mission, Life Insurance Aura, and Information Trade. Attacks land units.

	Bribe: Pays an amount of gold equal to half the target unit's maximum hit points, and takes control of the unit. Bribe cannot be used on Heroes, or creeps above level 5. Cooldown, mana cost and range effectiveness increase with level.
	Trade Mission: Gains an amount of gold equal to 5 per Intelligence point of the caster. Amount of gold gained per point increases with level.
	Life Insurance Aura: Every friendly unit killed gives a small amount of gold and lumber back to the owner depending on level of the unit killed. Does not apply to summoned units.
	Information Trade: Shows the current amount of gold, lumber, food usage, food cap and hero(es) location of the targeted building owner.

Mystical Bewitching Ranged Hero, adept at magical assaults. Can learn Firebolt Barrage, PLACEHOLDER, Erudite Mind and Mass Summon. Attacks land and air units.

	Firebolt Barrage: Fire several rapid firebolts that damage enemy land units at the targeted area.
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	Erudite Mind: Provides a permanent intelligence bonus.
	Mass Summon: Teleports 24 of the player's units within the targeted area to the location of the Hero when used.

Cunning Melee Hero, adept at art of thievery. Can learn Steal Item, Run Like The Wind, Evasion (PLACEHOLDER), and Grand Heist. Attacks land units.

	Steal Item: Steal a random item from inventory of the targeted unit. Cooldown, manacost and range effectiveness increase with level.
	Run Like The Wind: Allows the Rogue to surpass limits of her maximum movement speed and be able to pass through other units but not structures for a set amount of time. This buff is lost when casting any spell.
	Evasion (PLACEHOLDER): Gives a percent chance to avoid attacks.
	Grand Heist: Steal 1000+5% of the targeted town hall owner's current gold.

Melee Warrior Hero, exceptional at ???. Can learn ???, ???, ??? and ???. Attacks land units.

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Screenshots:

Spoilers

Expected villager race release: 2025

Adeptus Mechanicus Race
I'm mostly done with misc model fixes. All that remains is the triggers.
Originally, I planned to utilize mana for non-vehicles units. If the mana of these units reach zero, they will become inactive (paused) until a Adeptus Mechanicus hero, ability, item and building restore these units mana. I also don't want these units to gain mana from generic sources (fountain of mana, non-Adeptus Mechanicus units, etc). It seems making the race immune to spells is the way to achieve what I want but this is... imbalanced. Now that I think about this, I can probably make a workaround with a custom aura and 100+ level ability. This race is on hold until Villager race is done.

Other to do list
Add new hero(es) to AGAM
Change AGAM UI
Redo AGAM High Elf Archer, Shalltear, Ainz abilities
Make Sisters of Battle map thread description techtree more indepth.
Update Bandits race.
Make Bandits map thread description informative like Sisters of Battle map thread description.
Add Christmas/Halloween creeps to AGAM
Add second map to AGAM
Added Plants vs. Zombies defense map, nazarick rpg/campaign, shopkeeper simulator on my to do list

I will also be creating a new development thread for my rather ambitious campaign to gather ideas, etc. Stay tuned!

Also is there a character limit to a post? Last time I edited the OP I lost some text that I can't remember.

 

[FeelMyRash]

The Villager Race sounds very interesting. I like the concept and the theme around trade and economy.

Overall I prefer "gimmicky" (if that's the right word) Factions and you certainly deliver them.

I never imagined I'd see a Siege Tower outside of a Siege Map, but it's a great idea. It's easier for Villagers to construct a wooden tower than a Catapult or similar siege engine, after all, imo.

I'm looking forward to your other updates as well, especially to AGAM. I didn't know you were developing a Campaign but I'll certainly stay tuned and contribute if I can.

Also I don't know if there's a character limit but I hope not...

 

[Althavis]

I really like the idea of raising poultry and livestock, cultivating crops and the stock market one.

1. you can have a building/unit/ability generate livestock they can be free-range or such, after x seconds or minutes the animal will disappear and you will gain gold.
Ex. Raise pig - pig lasts for 120 seconds - after timer, gain gold (However, enemy killing your livestock will also give them the gold)

2. you can also invest, let's say you will invest for 500 gold and will gain 600 (20% interest) after x seconds/minutes. You can make buildings cast/train or something for it(I'm not really sure anymore), the market being destroyed should not refund your investment.

Making a specific farming mechanic for a race is sure complicated, you want it to be immersing as possible but also not to time-consuming and complex to learn. I am actually stuck with my Westfall Brigade race due to this problem (and of course due to college).

Looking forward to play your village race Fleck, goodluck!!!

 

[Fleck]

The Villager Race sounds very interesting. I like the concept and the theme around trade and economy.

Overall I prefer "gimmicky" (if that's the right word) Factions and you certainly deliver them.

I really like the idea of raising poultry and livestock, cultivating crops and the stock market one.

2. you can also invest, let's say you will invest for 500 gold and will gain 600 (20% interest) after x seconds/minutes. You can make buildings cast/train or something for it(I'm not really sure anymore), the market being destroyed should not refund your investment.

There are other ideas to trade and economy in my mind but it is vaguely related to farming. Stock Market is one of them and it might be more suited to a medieval race with an alternate mercenary system where non-vanilla mercs costs no food require gold upkeep every (n) seconds to circumvent the unit cap. If the player doesn't have enough gold, the mercs will become neutral hostile that will briefly disappear and then appear attacking the player base. I'm not sure how many units a player can own at a given time before the player units start freezing, I will ask this question in World Editor Help Zone eventually. This hypothetical medieval race will probably feature taxes and corruption mechanic too.

I'm looking forward to your other updates as well, especially to AGAM.

Then you might be pleasantly surprised since Mikasa might be one new heroes in the next version. I just need a ultimate for her but if I can't think of anything then I will settle on a damage dealing and debuffing one.

I didn't know you were developing a Campaign but I'll certainly stay tuned and contribute if I can.

Thanks, I'm looking forward to your suggestions. I'm gonna need it because the campaign is going to contains lots of heroes and they need custom abilities. I kept it under wraps since I wanted to show something concrete first. It's not a exactly a traditional campaign gameplay (not melee/altered melee, it is vaguely rpgish) nor related to Warcraft universe at all. And it's not the Nazarick (anime) one either. It's a videogame universe, there are others before me like a decade before that attempted this but they mostly never finished or released it at all...

1. you can have a building/unit/ability generate livestock they can be free-range or such, after x seconds or minutes the animal will disappear and you will gain gold.
Ex. Raise pig - pig lasts for 120 seconds - after timer, gain gold (However, enemy killing your livestock will also give them the gold)

Sounds interesting but I need to find a way to restrict animals from wandering too far away unless you fenced them in but I can't think of coming across of suitable fence and gate models for that and make the command card cluttered requiring a second build menu. Hm, I can probably make a farm dog animal with an ability that will force the farm animals to return to the nearest owned building.

Expanding on that idea, once farm animals matured not only they provide gold and temp food but also provide leathers that can be used as ingredients for crafting armor/etc items. This can applied to crops too, for example flour to bread pipe line from the bakery building. Instead of the previous leaderboard and basic animal idea maybe it will be list of current, owned farm stuff (flour, eggs, bread, etc) and farm animals will only provides farm stuff not gold that will be utilized in the second build menu (for example, restaurants that gives higher passive income but uses up farm ingredients). Anyway, I'm not sure where I will pivot to, either the previous basic idea or the new deeper one.

There are also other ideas like Tree Nursery building that near revive (replant) dead trees. If the trees are alive, then provides a small amount of wood instead. But I think I will save this one for my Corrupted Ancients/Night Elves/Satyr Race. Right now, I only have a vague idea themed around the concept of rampant overgrowth for them.

Making a specific farming mechanic for a race is sure complicated, you want it to be immersing as possible but also not to time-consuming and complex to learn. I am actually stuck with my Westfall Brigade race due to this problem (and of course due to college).

Looking forward to play your village race Fleck, goodluck!!!

Indeed, perhaps it will best if the farming mechanic is mostly optional that will complement the vanilla melee gameplay. Here's to hoping to our discussion will get you out of the rut and give you some inspiration for the Westfall Brigade too!

Thank you!