Warcraft III Extended v1.00

[Ezzaroth]

I started the project for personal use, thought that I could try sharing it. Any feedbacks or suggestions are welcomed! ^^

 

[deepstrasz]

Basically, almost every unit can be upgraded into another unit. The implementations are minor. 100% Warcraft III material used in terms of gameplay (abilities, mechanics etc.).

Spoiler: comments

1. Lumber Mill units cost wood. They're some sort of alternative but will probably be rarely used since lumber is a real necessity most of the time especially in the beginning.
2. There are nice ideas overall. You've thought of polishing other things like some descriptions, building positioning in the build menu.
3. The Wizard has Firelord abilities. That could be problematic, making that hero not original or partially not useful anymore. Also, Mass Soul Burn or summon abilities create imbalances.
4. Now Dragonhawks can't be trained with a Keep and require the Castle like the Griffins.
5. Marine is so non-Warcraft. Also Frenzy=Berserk.
6. Fortified armour is hard to beat without siege-able units. The Steam Tank at least only attacks buildings but the Golem, every ground thing except trees.
7. Why change the icon for Berserker Strength? Fel Form could have had a custom one.
   
8. Shredder, Zeppelin and Sapper!? I guess that makes the Goblin Laboratory obsolete for orcs but since there's none... Zeppelins heavily imbalance the game only on one side. Sappers, imagine what they can do, not only to buildings.
   
9. A troll with a priestly heal? Well, Healing Ward is for that. This creates imbalances.
10. The icon for Warlock's Firebolt looks as if disabled instead of passive. You can turn the original Firebolt icon to passive with this: Button Manager v1.8.2 Same for Breath of Fire, Raise Grunt (to have the autocast borders), Frost Nova on the Revenant, Mana Burn on the Nether Drake, Forked Lightning on the harpy.
    
11. Magi (ogres) don't need any upgrades to learn those spells. The first one is basically partly Inner Fire while the other is too strong if you have many ogres especially when you can summon another golem while the one before still has time to act.
12. Necrolyes=partially Death Knight+Necromancer.
13. Not sure why would you want the peon to go chaos when attacking is not an option with that low damage and very slow attack speed and it doesn't help with using the burrow better as it can't be used at all in fel mode.
14. Drop some Healing Wards and Heal from the other trolls and you get a standing fel army especially when the ability is reversible.
15. Zombies might have too a shorter cooldown. Also, their numbers stack. That might be a problem when being attacked as you could easily and quickly train them instead of other units.
    
16. Barges, as Zeppelins, only on one or some factions isn't melee ready.
17. Shade should have double the training time since before you had to train an acolyte and put him in the sacrificial pit. By the way, why not anymore?
18. Wraith Upgrade says it needs Wraith Upgrade.
19. Mana Burn is a controversial spell. In great numbers heroes are depleted. Sure, here it has a 20% chance of actually acting.
    
20. Is the Apparition (necromancer upgrade) permanently invisible or when not casting spells? That's very hard on opposing players. Same with the Banshee-Wraith.
    
21. Sentries are a filler unit like the ones the humans have in the mill but those serve a bit of different purpose since they are trained from a different building and require only wood.
22. Assassins are maybe good vs workers but since they take 3 food, I don't know if anyone will mass use them, maybe one for scouting and stuff. Also, the point of Blink is to escape not be used for cheesy tactics not getting touched.

I suggest you take a more closer look at altered melee:
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[Ezzaroth]

Thank you for the review, did not expect a very detailed one. I'll continue to update the map. I purposely did not include any imported resources and triggered spells to make it easier to export it to another map, but I'll reconsider it.

Spoiler: comments

1. Lumber Mill units cost wood. They're some sort of alternative but will probably be rarely used since lumber is a real necessity most of the time especially in the beginning.
   • Well for a noob like me, lumber is abundant and there are moments when I have 10k lumber and zero gold, I thought they could be filler units to keep pressure on the enemy while waiting for gold to make stronger units.
2. The Wizard has Firelord abilities. That could be problematic, making that hero not original or partially not useful anymore. Also, Mass Soul Burn or summon abilities create imbalances.
   • I will look into other abilities.
3. Now Dragonhawks can't be trained with a Keep and require the Castle like the Griffins.
   • I did not change this. Is Gryphon Aviary a tier 2 building in the new patch?
4. Fortified armour is hard to beat without siege-able units. The Steam Tank at least only attacks buildings but the Golem, every ground thing except trees.
   • Already changed this in the new version I'm working on.
5. Why change the icon for Berserker Strength? Fel Form could have had a custom one.
   • I thought it was the perfect icon for the ability, and the creeps did not need the Command Aura icon because I changed it to be the same as War Drum.
6. Shredder, Zeppelin and Sapper!? I guess that makes the Goblin Laboratory obsolete for orcs but since there's none... Zeppelins heavily imbalance the game only on one side. Sappers, imagine what they can do, not only to buildings.
   • Makes sense, I guess the Goblins can't join the Orcs faction then.
7. A troll with a priestly heal? Well, Healing Ward is for that. This creates imbalances.
   • I read the forums complaining about Orcs don't have a tier 2 healing ability. (Healing Ward is tier 3, Human has Priest, Undead has Obsidian, NE has Moon Well.)
8. The icon for Warlock's Firebolt looks as if disabled instead of passive. You can turn the original Firebolt icon to passive with this: Button Manager v1.8.2 Same for Breath of Fire, Raise Grunt (to have the autocast borders), Frost Nova on the Revenant, Mana Burn on the Nether Drake, Forked Lightning on the harpy.
   • This is because of the Orb of Lightning ability, there's nothing I can do to fix it except remaking the spell based of triggers.
9. Magi (ogres) don't need any upgrades to learn those spells. The first one is basically partly Inner Fire while the other is too strong if you have many ogres especially when you can summon another golem while the one before still has time to act.
   • I'll work on more researches for the abilities, and increase the cooldown on summon abilities. Also, why does Necromancer can has a summon ability but the others cannot?
10. Not sure why would you want the peon to go chaos when attacking is not an option with that low damage and very slow attack speed and it doesn't help with using the burrow better as it can't be used at all in fel mode.
    • For the luls, just making the most out of the cool model.
11. Drop some Healing Wards and Heal from the other trolls and you get a standing fel army especially when the ability is reversible.
    • At first I made it as -25 HP per second, then I posted in reddit about this and they said it was too much.
12. Zombies might have too a shorter cooldown. Also, their numbers stack. That might be a problem when being attacked as you could easily and quickly train them instead of other units.
    • But at a cost of tons of gold and they're fairly weak. But I could decrease the max stock a little bit.
13. Barges, as Zeppelins, only on one or some factions isn't melee ready.
    • If I give Human and Night Elf the same ability, would that be okay? I don't see air-transport as op since Starcraft is doing okay with them.
14. Shade should have double the training time since before you had to train an acolyte and put him in the sacrificial pit. By the way, why not anymore?
    • Forgot that Shade had training time too. I can't make a building trains unit and also has the sacrifice ability because it crashes the game for some reason.
15. Wraith Upgrade says it needs Wraith Upgrade.
    • Sorry I thought I fixed this.
16. Is the Apparition (necromancer upgrade) permanently invisible or when not casting spells? That's very hard on opposing players. Same with the Banshee-Wraith.
    • Permanent invisible. Should I add more true sight units?
17. Sentries are a filler unit like the ones the humans have in the mill but those serve a bit of different purpose since they are trained from a different building and require only wood.
    • They are tank units unlike Archer and Huntress, especially with the Elune's Grace ability.
18. Assassins are maybe good vs workers but since they take 3 food, I don't know if anyone will mass use them, maybe one for scouting and stuff. Also, the point of Blink is to escape not be used for cheesy tactics not getting touched.
    • Blink can also be used as an ambush, like when their base is walled by thin trees, Assassins can blink in to kill their workers. Inspired by Dragoons in Starcraft II.

EDIT: Turns out Warcraft III had a major update yet I made this map in a very old version (1.24e), that's very troublesome.

 

[deepstrasz]

Well for a noob like me, lumber is abundant and there are moments when I have 10k lumber and zero gold, I thought they could be filler units to keep pressure on the enemy while waiting for gold to make stronger units.

They have usefulness mid-late game when you're attacked and want to train some units faster but usually then these units would be too weak to actually do anything.

I did not change this. Is Gryphon Aviary a tier 2 building in the new patch?

Yes, Keep is now required for the Gryphon Aviary so that you can train Dragonhawks.

Already changed this in the new version I'm working on.

I mean, you have to be extra careful, take lots of things into consideration for instance giving the unit slow movements and/or attack speed, not enabling armour upgrades for them, things like these.

I thought it was the perfect icon for the ability, and the creeps did not need the Command Aura icon because I changed it to be the same as War Drum.

Well, since you kept original things and added over them, you shouldn't have made such a change (a little bit of confusion for players at first). That was the point I was making but of course, it's your decision.

Makes sense, I guess the Goblins can't join the Orcs faction then.

They can but not this way You have to give proper counters to the other factions for each kind of unit you add to a race.

I read the forums complaining about Orcs don't have a tier 2 healing ability. (Healing Ward is tier 3, Human has Priest, Undead has Obsidian, NE has Moon Well.)

Well let's recap:
- Humans have Heal, Holy Light and Scroll of Regeneration (if that's the correct name).
- Orcs have Healing Wards, Healing Wave and Healing Salve but you have to consider the fact that orcs have the toughest units HP wise.
- Night Elves have Moon Wells, Rejuvenation and Tranquility. Plus more regen during the night.
- Undead have Death Coil, Obsidian Statue, Skull of Sacrifice (undead regenerate more on blight).

This is because of the Orb of Lightning ability, there's nothing I can do to fix it except remaking the spell based of triggers.

Hmm... I'll look into it.

Also, why does Necromancer can has a summon ability but the others cannot?

Depends on the unit being summoned, its strength, duration etc. Also, necromancers need a corpse. They don't just summon out of the blue.

If I give Human and Night Elf the same ability, would that be okay? I don't see air-transport as op since Starcraft is doing okay with them

Yeah, every factions has to have a means for that sort of transportation.

Permanent invisible. Should I add more true sight units?

A detection war doesn't make a game fun but you could try.

Inspired by Dragoons in Starcraft II.

Stalkers but those are powerful and have low range.