Terraining Contest #11 - Battlefields

[Oziris]

Oh sorry, I forgot to say the Ice in the crystal*

 

[darkzxx]

hmm...nothing weird ? probably i am going crazy

 

[indomitable1319]

Just an honest question; fellow terrainers.

How do you make a unit play it's animation in the editor?

No, I'm not joining. I don't have the skills to.

 

[M0rbid]

Just an honest question; fellow terrainers.

How do you make a unit play it's animation in the editor?

No, I'm not joining. I don't have the skills to.

It's not all about skills. It's a practice aswell, and motivation to overdo yourself.


However you cannot use the Editor to dsiplay animations, you need an ingame screenshot for that.

 

[Deolrin]

...Or, you can open any modeling software that respects itself (e.g. Magos Model Editor), edit the requested animation's name to "Stand", check "Always Loops", and voila! Your units will automatically play your desired animation over and over again until you get a nice screenshot. This could be a problem with Death though, as blood will keep pouring out of the unit and there might be a little too much blood on the ground, so I suggest you just use triggers\dummy units to kill those units and get a screenshot from in-game.
Also, don't forget to remove the original "Stand" animations.

 

[indomitable1319]

It's not all about skills. It's a practice aswell, and motivation to overdo yourself.


However you cannot use the Editor to dsiplay animations, you need an ingame screenshot for that.

Maybe I don't have the skills yet.

Meaning those that just showed their animations have really big monitors.
How do you set the screenshot size? My screenshot size is currently 800x600 pixels; but my monitor is 1680x1050 pixels.

Aaand; how do you rotate doodads?

 

[Tleno]

Begun making my terrain. It's gonna be based on Daily Peon universe. Plus I'll have opportunity to test the Tleno model in action...

 

[VeljkoM]

You too Tleno?

 

[Tleno]

Yes, commrade Veljkom. I'm gonna make a legendary battle of Trolmanians (aka black teamcolored footmen and knights) against Tlenowherians (aka steampunky dwarves and sumans) in some Draenoshian city (aka. lots of gardens and Dalaran buildings). Is that clearly enough for non-DPers?

 

[darkzxx]

Argh,i will show my wip in 5mins,there are some minor ugly stuffs,you will see it directly
but here >.<
feedbacks pls and i already know about the obvious thing of the archways
i will fix it

 

[idodik]

darkzxx, where's the battle in all this?
Also, why is only the tree reflected below, and why is it reflected at all?! I thought he was in the sky.
And what's the thing after the archways which blocks the line of sight?

 

[Deolrin]

Maybe I don't have the skills yet.

Meaning those that just showed their animations have really big monitors.
How do you set the screenshot size? My screenshot size is currently 800x600 pixels; but my monitor is 1680x1050 pixels.

Aaand; how do you rotate doodads?

First of all make sure your computer uses your maximum screen resolution.
Then make sure WC3 is using the same resolution. If your resolution isn't amongst the possible choices, use this tool to automatically fix it up. I can assure you WC3 will look much better then.

 

[Celaquil]

It's not all about skills. It's a practice aswell, and motivation to overdo yourself.


However you cannot use the Editor to dsiplay animations, you need an ingame screenshot for that.

That is totally wrong, fellow terrainer. Or well, partially.

There is a part of the Manager Editor when viewing units called "Required Animation Name" or something of the likes, here you can enter an animation's name, and it will sometimes play in the editor, though not all kind of animations will.

I've come to understand that the ones that work is generally the ones that conclude of two words, such as "stand victory" and related, to do this correctly though you will have to add each word separately on the list, and they need be in the correct order, meaning to play for instance stand victory, you will have to add "stand" hit ok, and then do the same with "victory." Another crucial thing is that all letters must be low case.

Again, I'm not saying all animations will work, and most doesn't, but there are sertain animations that can be played in the editor, its a game of trail and error, so to speak.

 

[darkzxx]

idodik i am pretty sure Morbid said before a battle is allowed
all of your stuffs,
that thing,hmmm it's a entrance stuff ?
and about the reflection thing,i was using this contest to test that,don't worry i will make everything reflected
if you jump in the air,is there a shadow ? of course there is,everything has reflections
the colosuss looks pretty ugly >.<,i will remake it properly,the rocks look totally messed up,well you can't blame me i used 5mins on making it >.<
and btw can i tint a cloud ? the cloud doesn't look orange

 

[The_Olorin]

Ineresting idea there. Like you said the archway wall look little bit bad, maybe but somekind wall infront of them, would look better this way. Atm it look pretty empty, but i belive that you gona add lots of new doodads.
If this is heaven, then you should add heavy white fog, and some UTM or sother ground fog models, cause then it seems more realistic as heaven. And also, the sun reflection look kinda bad IMO, cause there is only tiny piece what we can see of sun, so the reflection should be different or you could move sun more out.

 

[darkzxx]

yeah,eerie fog shall do the trick,double layer of wall? hmm,i will try
yeah,you meant natural enviroment :C

 

[Deolrin]

That is totally wrong, fellow terrainer. Or well, partially.

There is a part of the Manager Editor when viewing units called "Required Animation Name" or something of the likes, here you can enter an animation's name, and it will sometimes play in the editor, though not all kind of animations will.

I've come to understand that the ones that work is generally the ones that conclude of two words, such as "stand victory" and related, to do this correctly though you will have to add each word separately on the list, and they need be in the correct order, meaning to play for instance stand victory, you will have to add "stand" hit ok, and then do the same with "victory." Another crucial thing is that all letters must be low case.

Again, I'm not saying all animations will work, and most doesn't, but there are sertain animations that can be played in the editor, its a game of trail and error, so to speak.

You misunderstood the field.
This field is used for animations with a suffix, e.g: "Victory", "Alternate", "Gold", "Lumber", "Flesh", "Second", "Third", "Cinematic", "Ready" etc(but mainly Alternate), usually and mostly used for Ancients' alternate animation set(uprooted) and for morphing units(Druids, Tinker, Goblin Alchemist, etc).
It wont make units play their animations, but you can probably outsmart the engine to make it play one animation that might be important for this contest - "Stand Ready". Simply write "ready" as a tag and watch the magic work.

With some basic model-editing, this could actually work greatly for your advantage, however!

 

[darkzxx]

what ? you can view animations ? wherE? !

 

[Celaquil]

You misunderstood the field.
This field is used for animations with a suffix, e.g: "Victory", "Alternate", "Gold", "Lumber", "Flesh", "Second", "Third", "Cinematic", "Ready" etc(but mainly Alternate), usually and mostly used for Ancients' alternate animation set(uprooted) and for morphing units(Druids, Tinker, Goblin Alchemist, etc).
It wont make units play their animations, but you can probably outsmart the engine to make it play one animation that might be important for this contest - "Stand Ready". Simply write "ready" as a tag and watch the magic work.

With some basic model-editing, this could actually work greatly for your advantage, however!

I've never claimed to know what the field is for, I only know what it does for me. And yes, it DOES play sertain animation in the editor, I damn well used the feature in my entry to this contest. >.>

 

[darkzxx]

heyyyyy,where can you find this "animation in world editor manager"
because i was not too good at terraining,i read the tutorials about terraining
i found alot of them but some of them are plain crap (not offending anyone)
i found 2 that i do not know about so i will test them here
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...ials-278/using-reflections-terraining-171148/
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/general-mapping-tutorials-278/terrain-advanced-lighting-53574/

 

[M0rbid]

@Keiji and Debode: Thank you for clarifying this. This is something I did not know.

@darkzxx: Right now, your work does not go along with the given theme, please try to give it a feel of a battlefield in your further terraining.

 

[Deolrin]

I've never claimed to know what the field is for, I only know what it does for me. And yes, it DOES play sertain animation in the editor, I damn well used the feature in my entry to this contest. >.>

Hey, I just wanted to explain in more detail about what exactly it works like. I'm sorry if I were offensive or so, I just tried to help out. I believe it wont work for animations like "Spell", "Attack" etc simply because it will only ever play "Stand" + "Suffix" whereas the suffix is what you write down in the field.

E.g Stand Channel, Stand Gold, Stand Lumber, Stand Ready, Stand Cinematic, Stand Second etc...

 

[Celaquil]

That sounds right.

 

[Adiktuz]

Hey, I just wanted to explain in more detail about what exactly it works like. I'm sorry if I were offensive or so, I just tried to help out. I believe it wont work for animations like "Spell", "Attack" etc simply because it will only ever play "Stand" + "Suffix" whereas the suffix is what you write down in the field.

E.g Stand Channel, Stand Gold, Stand Lumber, Stand Ready, Stand Cinematic, Stand Second etc...

yeah, it becomes wierd when you put something there like attack, spell, etc...

@darkzxx - you can view animations of a model when you select a unit or is selecting a model for a unit, it would appear on the left part of the terrain editor...

 

[darkzxx]

Morbid and all,ehhh,how do i make it have a feel of battle in it ? any tips ?
and the sun huh ? i will remake it,the sun model looks too small :C
oh that animation manager? it just show you the animations
you can't make the unit have that animation in WE
it only show you in a screen but not in the map :C
can it show the animation in the map ?

 

[Celaquil]

Morbid and all,ehhh,how do i make it have a feel of battle in it ? any tips ?
and the sun huh ? i will remake it,the sun model looks too small :C
oh that animation manager? it just show you the animations
you can't make the unit have that animation in WE
it only show you in a screen but not in the map :C
can it show the animation in the map ?

Thats what me and Debode have been talking about for like... The last two pages. You open up the Unit Manager, find a "field" when selecting a unit called "Required Animation Name" and then you add the animation name. Though as we've said, it only works with the "stand" animations, such as stand victory, stand channel, etc..

 

[darkzxx]

wait,is the unit manager the object manager?

 

[Celaquil]

Yes, the unit part of it.

 

[darkzxx]

can't you just do what debode said in page 37 ? go to magos and go to animation manager and select one you love and press always loop

 

[indomitable1319]

I have a question again.

How do you make doodads rotate vertically?

I know how to rotate them horizontally.

 

[darkzxx]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...8/how-do-i-rotate-some-doodad-upwards-184088/
i asked that question before,it tells you how to rotate everything oh and here
you should already know it but here

i found it while browsing some threads

 

[indomitable1319]

Ah; I see.
Thanks.

 

[darkzxx]

i need suggestion for my terrain,i don't know how to make it have a battlefield feel :C
btw indomitable you joining ??

 

[indomitable1319]

No; I am not.

 

[darkzxx]

oh,you kept asking questions >.<,so i thought you was joining,why not trY ? 20 days left,you should be able to finish a terrain art.

 

[indomitable1319]

I won't be anywhere near anyone else's submissions.
I don't even know how to make it. So all I can say is:

"GOOD LUCK!!!!"

 

[M0rbid]

oh really ?

let me find some pretty simple to do stuffs
not offending anyone,it's your first WiP so your final should be totally different
i compared this to your WiP now and there was great differences so don't be offended :C

i find this one very funny,probably because of the close model view

What are you trying to say?

 

[Deolrin]

He's trying to say that all the terrains he showed suck, and that indomitable will surely do better than them.

 

[M0rbid]

I asked because if it had this intention I want to give out a warning.

I do not want to hear such comments in this contest's thread


EDIT: I posted without seeing your comment (because I wrote while you posted). However I do still not really get what you are trying to say.

 

[idodik]

To be honest I kinda like the outcome of my work... If I don't have any last-minute changes this will be my final submission.

Final Submission

I won't be anywhere near anyone else's submissions.
I don't even know how to make it. So all I can say is:

"GOOD LUCK!!!!"

I can tell you one thing pal, this is my first terrain contest. If you think I think I'm a match you're wrong - I'm doing this for the experience and for the fun of it! Besides, practice makes perfect.
If you come with that attitude to compete then you're asking for it yourself - if you really want to terrain you'd use this as a place to get working, so that in the next times you'll be a worthy competitor!
And if that doesn't count - I challenge you!

 

[M0rbid]

@darkzxx: Watch your language please.

Okay, we now got what you meant so let's please not continue with this.

 

[Midnighters]

darkzxx, I advise you just be quiet other than to post a WiP, becuse everything you are posting can be taken offensively, and will only cause you problems.

 

[InfinateAnswers]

nice idok, it really tells a story, the orcs attacked a night elf encampment so now they are at battle. Good work i like it.

 

[Khaled]

@darkzxx, stop this thing, seriously

 

[Skycraft]

Nice job idodik.

 

[darkzxx]

Sorry everyone,didn't thought it would be that serious....
i will delete that real serious post
but i really need suggestions to how to make my terrain have that "battlefield feel" :C

 

[InfinateAnswers]

um 2 opposing forces fighting?

 

[Oziris]

darkzxx, why are you even judging a terrain by it's worked time and how can you even tell how much someone has been working on it?
I can make a terrain in 10 min which you won't be able to create in hours or in days,
Anyway, those terrains are okay and they can look really good with some time spent on them and don't forget they are WIPs and can still have a chance of looking awesome.
Your terrain has no ground or is that water? in any case, no army which could fight in the air falls on my head, if it's water then add some humans fighting the Naga, that was your original idea wasn't it?

idodik, I advise you to do something about the army's colour, they hurt my eyes. Make them grey or something that blends with the surrounding.
Set the Z start of the fog to 0, it will make your terrain nicer.
I also see the end of the world on all sides of the terrain, and the trees end where the fog starts, try adding depth to the terrain but adding more trees and big rocks for example and if your having problem with room then freely expand the map.

 

[darkzxx]

IA,look at my screenie,i know,everyone has been telling me,two opposing fight but the problem is how to make it
make goku use kamehameha and the colsuss open it's mouth and a fireball comes out ?
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i really want to stop this mess but i am the type that reasons with people until we get a good reason to stop...
so orizis,i didn't judge by it time
i didnt say i can tell how long they work on it,but if it's totally lousy,you can obivously see that he wasn't really in the mood to make it
yeah thats why i said,the more time spent on it,the better it looks
but "if you keep blowing air into a balloon,after it reaches it's limit,it explodes"
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yeah,but it makes no sense....how does a human survive in water
that's why i changed it to Goku,which can stay in air
and a colosuss which is pretty ugly because i made it pretty fast
i will remake it
i am planning to make Goku use kamehameha and the colosuss opens it's mouth and a fireball comes out
but if anybody has a better suggestion or anything that will improve it,i will do it,i am currently doing what idodik and The_Olorin told me to

 

[Oziris]

I don't see how that can be a battlefield but okay. x) Thumbs UP for Goku anyway!