Hive Olympics 2008 - Race Expansion

[Gausslander]

That was for Belgarath, not you.

EDIT: MORE WIPs!

 

[Steel_Stallion]

What about mine?

@Scyth: Nice, but I think you over did the shrubs there on third screenie.

 

[Belgarath]

Steel, yours is DEFINITELY fancy. Scyth, I see what you mean, eh. That last map had nice screens but the overall product wasn't too awesome >_<.
I agree with steel about the shrubs on the third screen. A little overdone. I really like the leafy things under rocks. The faerie fire also looks good.
Steel, I love the tiny detail in the fingers. The eyes do need difference though. Show some more screenies of the surrounding detail and the overall map?

 

[Eleandor]

@ FW's screenshots: I see 1 issue: in order to be able to place those rocks ON the goldmine, you probably had to reset its pathing. Which then means you'll be able to walk through a pile of rocks once the mine is depleted...

 

[Steel_Stallion]

screenies of the Ice floor

Kinda hard to make a screenshot of this, It looks better ingame.

The ice is flat.

Like that, its raised above the shallow water and it has invisible platforms

so it is walkable. Your walking over frozen ice water things...

 

[NearbyHermit]

Unholy residual matter!

It looks beastly.

And we lost our team member,any modeler around who wants to face death in this contest,join our team!

 

[Eccho]

D: wow...

 

[NearbyHermit]

I was planning to do a samely terrain as you Steel,but I must think of something original,since it's taken!

 

[Pyritie]

Steel, I think all that ice looks a little bright. Maybe tint it down a tad so it isn't as eye-blinding?

Just a suggestion.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

I see your point. Lol.

 

[Gausslander]

@Steel_Stallion: What's the backstory on the giant ice golem holding two fountains?...
@Belgarath: Yes, now you see. It had a nice center, but the playable sections weren't so nice. The new terrain has a great pattern, which is more equal then the other. Each player won't have the exact number of land tiles or trees (of course), but it will still be as equal as possible.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

Backstory...?

Its just a terrain, I thought it looks cool. Do we need a backstory for our terrain?

 

[Gausslander]

In less you want the map description to be empty...

 

[Gilles]

Scyth, your old terrain was a thousand times better than the new one. The new one is fugly.

And why does terrain have to have a backstory for you? It's just terrain.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Backstory makes it more interesting. Although the "Frost Golem" is an easy one...

- a local tribe of Tuskarr constructed this huge idol to their pagan frost god way-back-when, around two shrines they considered holy...
- the Lich King summoned a massive Frost Golem to destroy a Human encampment, which was only barely defeated (and immobilized for all eternity) by a band of valiant Paladins, who sacrificed their life and thus formed the pools...
- or just some random Frost Elemental Lord got free and decided to mess around a bit, rough up a couple continents or something, and only the powers of the mystical Blue Dragonflight (who inhabit Northrend anyway) was able to take it down and freeze it as a testament. (i.e. a little sign at the base reads "Beware of Dragons: See Golem^")
- it's a popular tourist attraction. Disney Land is getting a jump-start on the competition.

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Gilles, if you're comparing the green-land terrain with mana drain in the water, to this one... I'd have to agree. Scyth, listen to reason; I finally opened it up this morning, and I loved it. I have no idea how you plan on making it balanced, working the way you do, but it was pretty schweet. Loved the detail and the "random" pathways; looks very natural. That and the improvised arches... Beautiful. The Azshara statues everywhere still throws me off, though.

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@Frostwhisper: Ok, this is just starting to get ridiculous. I keep trying to work with the rules (specifically those about summoned units), but I just can't. I need to be able to modify them for my spells to work out; easily half of what I do is in the Object Editor anyway! I.e. find me a unit with no model, Locust, a modified Phoenix Fire, Create Corpse, and Blight Growth. Yeah, I'd be hard-pressed to.
And I'd use regular Skeletons, but in order for the hero's synergy to work out, they have to be customized via the Object Editor.

Can we please just consider all Summoned Units = Dummy units? And/or, can we have no limit, except for the threat of "Ash will grade you harshly if you overdid it with Summons" (which I have no intention of doing)?

(Again, sorry to sound so whiney, but the rules have me running into dead-ends all over :/...)

 

[frostwhisper]

Jesus, man. I can't reshape the rules for you any more. If I see at least one more complaint of this sort I will, but for now, just no.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Hmm... So what do I do?

 

[frostwhisper]

Figure out a way to keep your submission within the guidelines.

 

[Gilles]

Hmm... So what do I do?

The rules don't shape around your entry, your entry shapes around the rules. Think before you start making things.

 

[Kyrbi0]

I guess that was a dumb question.

...

Hmm; will there be a period where you will weed out submissions that would normally be disqualified?

 

[Steel_Stallion]

What? You just submit your map to your post, if theres something that violates they will probebly tell you right away, and not just leave it and then disqualify it at the end. If you dont update it and it violates the rules then it doesnt get included. Simple.

People use some logic and stop asking silly questions.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Hey, cut me some slack. I've seen it (or heard of it) both ways, so I just wanted to make sure that, were I to make a mistake somehow, I would have a chance to rectify.

Ok, no more big words. Just wanted to see if I could mess up and fix it before it ended. Even if I didn't post the finished product until the end.


--EDIT--

What defines a 'dummy unit'?

 

[Pyritie]

What defines a 'dummy unit'?

An invisible unit that casts a spell then is removed, or a unit used for special effects.

 

[PurplePoot]

Something which is not evidently a unit ingame (as said above, an invisible caster, a special effect, etc).

 

[Gausslander]

Scyth, your old terrain was a thousand times better than the new one. The new one is fugly.

And why does terrain have to have a backstory for you? It's just terrain.

It is so strange, you people judge so much on the screens. My new terrain is much better, graphically and playability-wise. It looks much better too, trust me. The screens don't give it justice.

 

[Kwah]

And we lost our team member,any modeler around who wants to face death in this contest,join our team!

Asking the same. If you know an available modeler please leave me a message.

 

[Gilles]

It is so strange, you people judge so much on the screens. My new terrain is much better, graphically and playability-wise. It looks much better too, trust me. The screens don't give it justice.

Graphically? You improved the graphics of the game engine? What else are we supposed to judge it on? All we got are screens.

 

[Gausslander]

Did you download the uploaded map? These are WIPs, if you don't give suggestions how am I going to improve? Graphically I added more doodads, as well as better tile variation. And I used better models then the other map did. But I'm trying multiple terrains, so chill it.

 

[Martin Barbov]

Asking the same. If you know an available modeler please leave me a message.

The same here. WILL seems to lost interest

 

[FamousPker49]

Can we use the WEU just to add extra tiles to the terrain?

 

[frostwhisper]

Ahh... nope. Stick to normal WE so that each person has an equal amount of tile slots.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Ok... Has anyone seen Scyth-Master or Xatoga around? I know we have a long time-limit for this contest, but I'd like to get some stuff decided so I can begin working on it. The sooner the better...

 

[AirHead]

Hawkwing, I'm requesting that you join my team as the terrainer. Ebrik Elitel will model and i will code, if you don't want to join than we need a terrainer! if you are one and want to be on this team than tell me quickly.

 

[Hero_Lief]

I'll join...

 

[Hawkwing]

I'm all for joining your team, but I wont be participating. If I were I would accept though.

 

[AirHead]

ok. but hero lief, first: you eated my cookie. and second: ok you can join if hawkwings not participating. any team name ideas? i personaly would do Amateur Studios but only me and Ebrik Elitel are in amateur studios so any ideas?.

 

[donut3.5]

Ahh... nope. Stick to normal WE so that each person has an equal amount of tile slots.

JASSers can't vJASS in JNGP?
And if JNGP is allowed, you can merge tilesets anyways
If it isn't, I can predict a lot of animosity coming towards your rules
--donut3.5--

 

[Eccho]

I think (and sure hope) that that was just a question regarding the tiles^^

 

[NearbyHermit]

Any of you happens to be a modeler in search for a team?

Join Cheese,we're in need!

 

[PurplePoot]

If we can't use JNGP I'm out. Even if we're not allowed to use vJass, fine, but forcing us to not use global merging is just... no.

 

[Gausslander]

Yeah that's super cereal gay. Give the coders freedom, hell, you're letting us edit our doodads.

 

[Xatoga]

I'm here, I'm just bloody busy during the week. I don't get out of school most days till 8 pm.

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

Methinks there just aren't enough modelers...

 

[Kyrbi0]

If it isn't, I can predict a lot of animosity coming towards your rules

Huh, imagine that! Animosity towards the current rules; who would've thunk? That's one of the smartest statements I've heard all thread.

Regardless...

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...global merging...

Ooh, sounds cool. What's that?

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I'm here, I'm just bloody busy during the week. I don't get out of school most days till 8 pm.

Y'know that's kinda the reason I sent you two my "weekly schedule", so you two were aware of when I would and wouldn't be on or available or working... That's a rather important bit of information from you; obviously, now I know not to necessarily expect anything from you during the week.

Either of you two got any other skeletons in the closet?

(8 p.m.!? Holy cow, when do you start? That's obscene!)

 

[donut3.5]

Huh, imagine that! Animosity towards the current rules; who would've thunk? That's one of the smartest statements I've heard all thread.

All of it has been pretty low, but I'm guessing Poot wouldn't be the only dropout if no JNGP is allowed
--donut3.5--

 

[Eccho]

Indeed, Its kind of messy to survive the other way. And the standard WE is just lame when coding jass. It has no tab features and such

 

[Steel_Stallion]

Ya.. We're waiting for zypher but he hasnt responded to anything since the contest started.

If he doesnt reply by this weekend me and DonDustin will need a coder replacement.

 

[Yddohu]

Coder still available, just pm me.

 

[frostwhisper]

Ok ya know what? Use the UTM for your multiple tilesets for all I care. Use anything you need, coders, for I've no bloody idea what you guys even do.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Use anything you need, coders, for I've no bloody idea what you guys even do.

Hmm... Taken out of context? Yessir!!

(goes to make more than 1 summoned unit)