Hive Olympics 2008 - Race Expansion

[Steel_Stallion]

Erm actually, I need to "raise" the fountain...

its um, Kinda floating.

 

[frostwhisper]

Baaah, alright, I'll let this one pass. But just raise it, no color/size changes.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

Yes! Thank you.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Thanks frostwhisper. Couple clarifications and one other question:

-Aside from the unit/hero/building models and the scripts, all you can import are icons for the new additions.

So we can import any icon, from anywhere (THW, Wc3C, our hard drives)? Or only stuff that we've made, specifically for this contest?

...Besides, the usual caster system is pretty unoriginal. Go beyond...

Unoriginal, sure. I have no plans of just adding a simple caster.
However, (without revealing too much), what if one were to take an existing unit and make an upgrade that turned it into a caster, with all of it's martial abilities intact? I need the space for 3 abilities. 3 abilities is hardly

a thousand abilities.

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- Technically the building may have abilities of its own (though they count for the maximum of two again). And sure you can trigger the building's abilities as much as you like. Just be creative.

Dang... I hope this won't become an issue; I'm still not sure what the buildings will be like...

New Question:
- Can we have new custom units, if they are summons? (I really think this answer is a 'yes', but had to ask and make sure... Hoping I won't get stuck with using Tornado, Water Elementals, Skeleton Warriors/Archers, Lava Spawns, etc...)
**Don't worry, I don't plan on making a glut of summoned units; just to fit the hero concept.

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@Donut: Wow. Sheer love for that Hook Horror. But more importantly than the kick-awexome model, is the amazingly-fitting name. Fits the concept/theme and the race (boy I wonder how many people will enhance the Undead... ). Luv it.

 

[frostwhisper]

So we can import any icon, from anywhere (THW, Wc3C, our hard drives)? Or only stuff that we've made, specifically for this contest?

Only stuff made by your team. If nobody in your team can draw, just go for the simple screenshot 'n' border method.

...Besides, the usual caster system is pretty unoriginal. Go beyond...
Unoriginal, sure. I have no plans of just adding a simple caster.
However, (without revealing too much), what if one were to take an existing unit and make an upgrade that turned it into a caster, with all of it's martial abilities intact? I need the space for 3 abilities. 3 abilities is hardly .

I'm not really sure I'm following your thought here. PM me or something with a mode descriptive explanation, (

Dang... I hope this won't become an issue; I'm still not sure what the buildings will be like...

New Question:
- Can we have new custom units, if they are summons? (I really think this answer is a 'yes', but had to ask and make sure... Hoping I won't get stuck with using Tornado, Water Elementals, Skeleton Warriors/Archers, Lava Spawns, etc...)
**Don't worry, I don't plan on making a glut of summoned units; just to fit the hero concept.

Well, the rules say you need to add a unit. They don't say if it must be trained, if it must be an upgrade of an existing unit or if it must be summonable. Either of those options are ok. But it still has to be one unit addition. So if you add a summoned unit, you can't add any other unit.

Hope I made it clear...

 

[Eccho]

... I see,

Another question for you. You say that we are allowed to change structures and units required for the new unit/structure. But are we allowed to change an ability required to train the new unit? (Im thinking of sacrifice for instance)

 

[Kyrbi0]

Alrighty, I'll move this to PM's (probably better anyway; I can be more descriptive.)

 

[frostwhisper]

Well, a sacrifice-type ability could be modified to train the new unit, however that counts as one of your spells.

 

[Eccho]

mkayz no more wuestions then atm...

 

[frostwhisper]

Phew... ;)

 

[Kyrbi0]

Oh, don't *phew* yet. I'm writing up that PM as we speak...

 

[frostwhisper]

Yaoch.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Alright, it's sent. I've gotta go soon, unfortunately. :/

 

[Steel_Stallion]

W.i.p

This is a W.I.P of my center piece, the Frost Golem.

Note:: You must be thinking that I changed the size of the Fountain of mana and health to fit in his palm but I did not, I listened to frosts rules.

What I actually did was change the height of the fountains... to negative, so now they are practically invisible, and those 2 fountains on his palms are just doodads.

2 Functional Fountains, whilst keeping to the rule. Oh and I plan to detail the golem more this is just a W.I.P (Which is why surrondings are not detailed)

I plan to give him better eyes.. those eyes arent good... Lol.

 

[frostwhisper]

Ladies and Gentlemen, because of numerous appeals towards the maximum unit spells rule, I have updated the rules as follows; Aside from the four custom hero spells, you may add up to not two, but FIVE abilities/upgrades on your units, buildings, etc. In addition, any passive ability like Locust or a sfx will NOT be counted as one of those abilities. Custom buffs are also allowed for each ability made. If you wish to use all those slots, to overfill your unit with ablities, do so at your own risk. The balance and race flow judge (Ash) will be instructed specifically to check if the units are overfilled, or if their abilities flow well. Last but not least, a new rule; teams may add up to one summonable unit instead of using the unit slot for it. This unit, however will be using an in-game model. That would be all, and sorry for all the changes, but I'm doing my best to answer your calls and making this competition more productive. Carry on.

 

[donut3.5]

Just checking on two things:
Dummy units don't count as units and
Why can't we make minor spell effects?
--donut3.5--

 

[frostwhisper]

Just checking on two things:
Dummy units don't count as units

Nope, they don't.

Why can't we make minor spell effects?

Cause I wanna see some actual creativity with whatever wc3 has to offer (not only in the terrain).

 

[donut3.5]

Bah, fine, just using Maiev's dagger gets kind of old in terms of making chains, as Poot told me.
He had some pretty good other ideas though, so we'll see.
--donut3.5--

 

[Gilles]

Damn, there is some good terrain for this contest.

 

[frostwhisper]

My white and green gems concur =P

 

[Kyrbi0]

Ladies and Gentlemen, because of numerous appeals towards the maximum unit spells rule, I have updated the rules as follows; Aside from the four custom hero spells, you may add up to not two, but FIVE abilities/upgrades on your units, buildings, etc. In addition, any passive ability like Locust or a sfx will NOT be counted as one of those abilities. Custom buffs are also allowed for each ability made. If you wish to use all those slots, to overfill your unit with ablities, do so at your own risk. The balance and race flow judge (Ash) will be instructed specifically to check if the units are overfilled, or if their abilities flow well. Last but not least, a new rule; teams may add up to one summonable unit instead of using the unit slot for it. This unit, however will be using an in-game model. That would be all, and sorry for all the changes, but I'm doing my best to answer your calls and making this competition more productive. Carry on.

Awexome-sauce. Thanks for modifying the rules. And don't apologize for changing rules (as long as it's more expansive and for the better).

[whine]Only 1 custom summoned unit? Waahh...[/whine]

Lol, now I can get started, hopefully... And Stallion, absolutely amazing work there. Cracking-good job on dat dere centerpiece; no idea how it was accomplished.

 

[Eleandor]

Dummy units don't count as units

And dummy abilities?

And are these numbers ( 5 abils / upgrades) per race or in total?

 

[Fulla]

Are there still any modelers left over, seeking a team?

 

[frostwhisper]

And are these numbers ( 5 abils / upgrades) per race or in total?

Per race.

 

[Kyrbi0]

(Wait... Not that I plan on exceeding 3-per, but--)

You do mean "3-per-unit/building", right??

 

[Steel_Stallion]

So when is anyone else gonna post W.I.P's. Come on people I want to see what Im up against.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Meh, I'm the coder. I can do a WIP, but it'll look rather wierd (no model yet, just spell sfx...)

 

[frostwhisper]

(Wait... Not that I plan on exceeding 3-per, but--)

You do mean "3-per-unit/building", right??

Pardon? It's 5 per race. You can have 2 on the building and three on the unit or vise versa or any other way, just as long as the max is 5.

 

[Kyrbi0]

!!??

Oh dear.

That's scary, but what's even scarier is that originally 2 abilities total per race was considered as being sufficient...

 

[Eleandor]

Since the building cannot be constructed by adding it to the worker's building menu, would a 2nd triggered menu count as one of the abilities? Because if that's the case, 1 of the 5 abilities will already be consumed, inevitably. Even if you'd have a different building mechanism for the custom structure, you'd still need a "build" ability somewhere...

And dummy abilities?

I'll assume then that dummy abilities don't increase the ability/research count either.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Hey, yeah... Man, this "spell limit" is getting silly. Perhaps just use the "Ash will grade you harshly for too many" thing as your main deterrent to "too-many-spells".

 

[PurplePoot]

Calling back to my old comment, I assume we can use dummy.mdx?

Also, donut, don't get me started on how retardedly lightnings are implemented. I'm still trying to salvage my idea with using them, but I doubt it'll get far.

 

[Eccho]

Another question: we should do the animation of the hero spells ourselves as well?

Or if we dont, will that affect the score?

 

[Kyrbi0]

Does the "only icons custom-made after start of the contest allowed, or in-game" rule apply to hidden icons and icons from Beta Warcraft?

 

[frostwhisper]

Icons/models/doodads hidden in the current mpq are acceptable. Beta stuff (that has to be uploaded) isn't.

EDIT: Not uploaded, imported* Damn this gradient for being so hard to edit.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Dangit. I had the perfect icon, too

Hmm.... It feels like I should have a question, but I can't think of one. So I'll just post a WIP of my afternoon's work:

The ===== =======, the new Undead Hero!! (lol, no names yet...)

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I'm lovin' it. (Bu-duh buh-buh-buuuh...)

 

[Kwah]

So . . . it has serpent ward?

 

[Eccho]

or a modded tornado, who knows

 

[frostwhisper]

I know what it is, but I'm not telling. Anywho, dummy.mdxes are allowed I guess, and like the rules say you can add a new worker that has a morph ability to the old one and vise versa, as well as the new build ability, neither of which count for the limit.

 

[Kyrbi0]

So . . . it has serpent ward?

Yes, of course! How did you guess!?

...

No, I just neglected to change the tooltips (I was testing for effect).

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Modded Tornado = too simple. Mwahaha. Although fancy-shmancy spell sfx are not what Blizzard intended for effective spells, which I will be following the example of.

(Boy, that just made loads of sense... I need to get more sleep and less naps.)

@Frostwhisper: Ahh, good, the secret is kept.

 

[Gausslander]

WIPs of my new terrain, as well as the old scrapped one (attached).

 

[Ghost765]

so much faerie fire.

 

[Gausslander]

Indeed. Again though, they're mostly placemats for other effects, just like my rain effect. That's how I make my terrains.

 

[frostwhisper]

Some shite...

Hidden

Hidden

 

[Hawkwing]

The Gold Mine stuff is very creative, original, and generally looks very nice.

 

[Kyrbi0]

I think Frostwhisper > Scyth-Master solely because he took screenshots during the day. :/...

Also because he used Sunken Ruins tileset. That is pure win-sauce.

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Regardless, I can't wait to stop hamstringing my teammate see the finished terrain, Scyth! ...!

(^^Check the discussion topic... soon?)

 

[Gausslander]

Tell me, Frostwhisper, how will that look as an entangled or haunted gold mine? Think first XD

I think Frostwhisper > Scyth-Master solely because he took screenshots during the day. :/...

Also because he used Sunken Ruins tileset. That is pure win-sauce.

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Regardless, I can't wait to stop hamstringing my teammate see the finished terrain, Scyth! ...!

(^^Check the discussion topic... soon?)

To be fair, my terrain is way more complex. He just showed you a doodad mine, and some trees.

p.s. I refuse to use Sunken Ruins tileset, I loath it.

 

[Belgarath]

Scyth's > frost's imo. Frosty seems too used to using unplayable things. The rubble inside the goldmine is pretty strange. Although scyth's is pretty random too. I preferred the old one.

 

[Gausslander]

How would you like me to alter it? And you should download the map, I attached it to the WIP shot post.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Hey, I'm just going by screenshots with my judging (also, I was being somewhat facetious, since Scyth's on my team...)

Regardless, I'm no terrainer, and it's only a WIP.