nhs325 said:

Holy hell a nice Roguelike map man. I'm just wondering, can you make it so you can teleport your summons whenever you move to a new room? I feel like it's kind of a waste making your summons dissapear and you have to wait for the cooldown in next room just to summon them again (for example Star Knight's Ult). But overall really good map.

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• Superb re-playability.
• Challenging gameplay.
• Well optimized and polished.
• Extensive range of custom items and drops.
• Impressive hero and ability lineup.

• Sandor's Bloodlust buff has no UI feedback.
• Would be interesting for the door/direction choice to be meaningful.
• I like the chest icon on the minimap.
• I feel there is too many chests for the amount of keys you get.
• I like that units have their quirks to them (auras, summoners, etc) and and not just stats bag - which makes for interesting encounter. Though, later on the scaling kinda turns them into huge stats bag.
• Liked the true sight mechanic though I hope more to it will be added in later updates.
• It would be nice to have the cooldown of items displayed in their description.
• I like that there is more than just "combat" rooms.
• Shouldn't be able to kill yourself with Sandor.
• Item dropped pool seems too small - got a runt pickaxe almost everytime in the starting floors.
• Too many crates and always a rune inside of them.
• The modifiers on units are cool, especially the gold one. Need more of those!
• Can abuse aggro range on the "tentacle" event.
• Keys should stack - overall I was always lacking inventory space in single player and I felt it did more to prevent me having fun than creating interesting choices (which tbh sometimes it did). I understand it might be a lot better in multiplayer when all the items are shared.
• Weird class passive on vladd? Feels like a remnant of an old design.
• Fought king gnoll 2 times in a row (2 rooms in a row).
• You don't get blood orb charges when killing units using the dash. The shadow of the charge items can be seen on the ground and can be selected using drag select.
• Emerald room doesn't scale with difficulty so you will receive the same reward early or late (well there is that one version with the hounds).
• Goblin trader doesn't scale either.
• Vladd E doesn't work on most bosses but he will still cast it.
• The skeleton chest events doesn't scale.
• Sphynx ring still describes it as a "pouch".

Wareditor said:

Played it for around 2 hours. Overall it was a fun experience that needs a bit of tuning, especially for the pacing which I feel is too slow.
In single player, I had to get heroes with sustain (though I only tried 3) or sustain items which contributed to the slowness of the map since as the floors got harder, they took longer and longer.

I Tried Sandor, Grog and Vladd. I liked Vladd the most. Though, I wish he had some synergetic class ability instead of his current summon one.

I would like to see more ways for the player to make unique "builds". In a traditional ARPG, to build your character you would often spend hours grinding - more often for simple numerical upgrades instead of cool build enabling items. Whereas in roguelikes, the player is granted powers at an accelerated rate which allows for creating unique characters rapidly and have fun with them until they reach their goal or die.
I feel like this map should try to play more into the roguelike aspect than its RPG one. It could do that by having more impactful and synergistic powers and less generic RPG stuff like +5 stats. I also think having more opportunity for decision making would help a lot too.

Here are the notes I took while playing.

• Sandor's Bloodlust buff has no UI feedback.
• Would be interesting for the door/direction choice to be meaningful.
• I like the chest icon on the minimap.
• I feel there is too many chests for the amount of keys you get.
• I like that units have their quirks to them (auras, summoners, etc) and and not just stats bag - which makes for interesting encounter. Though, later on the scaling kinda turns them into huge stats bag.
• Liked the true sight mechanic though I hope more to it will be added in later updates.
• It would be nice to have the cooldown of items displayed in their description.
• I like that there is more than just "combat" rooms.
• Shouldn't be able to kill yourself with Sandor.
• Item dropped pool seems too small - got a runt pickaxe almost everytime in the starting floors.
• Too many crates and always a rune inside of them.
• The modifiers on units are cool, especially the gold one. Need more of those!
• Can abuse aggro range on the "tentacle" event.
• Keys should stack - overall I was always lacking inventory space in single player and I felt it did more to prevent me having fun than creating interesting choices (which tbh sometimes it did). I understand it might be a lot better in multiplayer when all the items are shared.
• Weird class passive on vladd? Feels like a remnant of an old design.
• Fought king gnoll 2 times in a row (2 rooms in a row).
• You don't get blood orb charges when killing units using the dash. The shadow of the charge items can be seen on the ground and can be selected using drag select.
• Emerald room doesn't scale with difficulty so you will receive the same reward early or late (well there is that one version with the hounds).
• Goblin trader doesn't scale either.
• Vladd E doesn't work on most bosses but he will still cast it.
• The skeleton chest events doesn't scale.
• Sphynx ring still describes it as a "pouch".

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Halithor said:

I've had fun playing the game, but it seems like the damage on mobs in version 1.0 doesn't scale at all. All the mobs just have 7 or 10 damage on attack, even when we're many levels deep on nightmare difficulty. Tooltips that say 'damage on summon scales with X' doesn't change the damage of the summon at all. This might be a bug?

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Halithor said:

None of the mobs and summons had scaled attacks. All of them were 7 or 10, even as we were over a hundred feet deep. It felt like it was really easy. I was playing with a group of 3 people.

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1.31.0 - Unit Set Base Damage doesnt work

In the trigger editor, in the units actions, the Unit set base damage is broken. My map uses items to increase the base attack of the heroes and since the new update 1.31.0, my map is broken and the base damage of my units doesnt increase… I have minions which are more powerful overtime, they...

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Halithor said:

I am playing in 1.31. That bug you linked might be the problem? Seems like a likely source. You could simply just set the damage for indexes 0, 1, and 2 (if you don't use the second attack slot on mobs) to cover your bases

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Eat_Bacon_Daily said:

Hey I tried one run with a couple of friends, really is a wonderful map and concept with tons of room to grow. I really love it. The bosses were great and it was always fun discovering new room types and new bosses with great mechanics!
I love the map, but here is some constructive feedback.
-I took the troll hunter hero and his kit very unsatisfying, I barely used any of his abilities because they are super situational, even his (Q) feels very unsatisfying to use since it disrupts the fight by tossing the enemy away.
-I don't remember how deep we got, but I wish there were some visual or gameplay impact to depth, seems like just a number in this current state.
-The regular skeleton rooms were visually a bit unappealing, it's hard to tell what is what or what is going on
-Would be cool if the defeat UI showed how deep you got.

Great game overall will def keep playing it

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Halithor said:

I am playing in 1.31. That bug you linked might be the problem? Seems like a likely source. You could simply just set the damage for indexes 0, 1, and 2 (if you don't use the second attack slot on mobs) to cover your bases

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ExaltedHound said:

I'm quite enjoying this map, its got some good replayability and varied heroes. But I've noticed that whenever I get a last hit with any ability/spell there is no exp or gold given. e.g. Slar'hees q and e do not grant gold or exp on kill, as well as Sneed's barrels. Attached image is of me having killed every enemy in the first room and having no exp or bonus gold aside from 2 gold pickups.

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Vladd said:

Hi there! Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad you're enjoying the map regardless. I'm afraid I can't seem to replicate this issue, Slar'hees grants gold and XP when killing enemies with his Q and E when I test it, same with Sleed. Are you perhaps using an older or modified version of Warcraft? Your game looks significantly different to most versions of Warcraft.

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ExaltedHound said:

I'm using classic warcraft 3 patch 1.35, I had a feeling it might just be a version problem

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Eat_Bacon_Daily said:

Hey played a few runs.
I think the map gets better and better every playthrough. The items are a lot of fun and unique and the boss battles are very creative. I also like the optional bosses. Is there a reason to re-do the optional bosses? The fire elemental dropped an item the first time, but after that stopped dropping and the frost wyrm never dropped anything. The fights were fun regardless and we had a blast fighting the void monster. We kept laughing in voice chat about how we made a mistake summoning it.
I wonder about your reasoning for splitting gold at the shop floors. It kinda works in the earlier floors, but once you hit floors where items cost 5.5k it's very awkward as if you saved to buy those items, you lose it once you reach the shop and you have to beg your teammates to give it back.
I also have a question about the gates, is there any impact on which gate you pick? If you wanna add some choice maybe you can imply that some gates give different power-ups or challenges, like in rogue-like games such as ember knights.
Anyway, I really love the map, the challenges, the decision making and especially items!

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Pickles said:

If somebody leaves before picking a character you can't start the game. Also add a leaver message so you know if somebody left without checking F11 menu.

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oonzpoonz12 said:

ok so i've been playing your game for the last few days and i'd love for you to allow a SINGLE healer to scale to the end of the game with a healing ability, i would like to suggest AGNI the support character. my friends and i came up with .6/.8/1/1.2/1.4xint on the healing side of his ability called "Flame Wave" if the hero was able to have this scaling on the healing side of his spell. the damage wouldn't get outa control as he isn't a dmg character really, and he would actually be able to heal a tank late game unlike any other healer in the game ...... i enjoy playing your map, but healers are what im into, and not a single one can do anything past the death knight boss to keep a tank up. Anyway we have a bunch of toons in our discord who would love to help play test this map for you as we play nearly every day. Please feel free to join our discord voice chat any night of the week and talk with us, we have a lot of fair development ideas to help you. Join the Warcraft/Starcraft Custom Gamers And Friends Discord Server!

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Hey Ocean said:

First of all - the map is great, music is nice, heroes and spells are superb. Plenty of replayability.
I want to write down my feedback with some of the bugs I've encountered and my personal impressions and suggestions.


In my limited playtime I've found few bugs:

Uba(Frog King) - doubling his frogs create them with 1-1 atk instead of the correct values(I don't know if this is intentional, but it is sure do not feel like it is),

Dagon(Sunken Warlord) - sometimes he takes damage in his underground form while invulnerable,

Grog(Troll King) - his heal stays 14s cd while it's description shows that it should be 14s/13s/12s/11s/10s, as well as it seems like his passive that increases the damage that he takes is active even in his tanky form(I was taking a lot of damage even from the smallest of skeletons, they were a real threat to me that I had to kite and wait for my heal cd and stun cd, I've played with a friend of mine who chose Vladd(Vampire Lord) and was able to tank any mob as good as my Grog with plenty of armor/str items(if not even better), while being in his ranged form),

Jyzargo(Dragon Priest) - enemies killed with his spell "Dragon's Gift" don't give any gold or exp,

I've played with other heroes as well, but those runs were somewhat bug-free.


As for my impressions of the selected characters that I played:

Dagon(Sunken Warlord) - his armor reduction is nice if we have phys dps in a party, but his personal damage is somewhat low, murlocs scaling is pretty bad at 15+40%INT as a form of his main damage source, at boss enemies he doesn't provide any value as armor reduction don't work, and one single murloc from his skill don't do any damage. Health regeneration in underground form is useless, at max lvl it's 15 hp per second while spending 5% max mp per second, in total that's 270 health regenerated for 90% of mana, so it's mainly used as a tool for crowd control and escaping. His tentacle wall is fine, unless mobs start zigzaging from it and jumping chaotically, but I guess that's other side of the coin. Ultimate - if I could guess that's intended to be his trump card, as the damage isn't even that big, but CC it provides helps a lot(when changing rooms and being surrounded by crowd of enemies or saving a teammate from group of mobs etc.),

Grog(Troll King) - he got this one big problem - spell casting animations, they lock him into one place and give an opportunity for enemies to strike him down, every spell casted feels like Grog is stunned for 1s or so, can't evade boss attacks, mob spells, environment effects. Trying to evade those "slowing lane attacks"(frost wyrm, lich, death knight etc.) is nerve-racking. Those constant stunlocks make this character completely unplayable for me, as I value fluidity in gameplay(not the biggest issue, considering I still haven't played all the available heroes after all).

And some thoughts not related to particular heroes:

For some reason it doesn't feel that items that give speed actually do something, with +190 speed combined I move as fast as my teammate without any speed items, that's just strange(I need to double check on this, but I'll write it down anyway),

Lack of shops and random merchants(inside rooms) later in the game, as well as they barely give any valuable items later in the game, would be cool to have analogues to frozen/lava shopkeepers but with their own set of items, also lack of items from shady dealer and lack of cursed items overall.


After I'll play more of the map there will be more to say, but it seems that's all from me, for now.

p.s. I play on the latest battle.net WC3R version 1.35.

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oonzpoonz12 said:

Also I would love the keeper of the grove hero’s life saving ability he starts with to have the cooldown reduction upon successful cast and life save; that the text says it has… as the ability is not reducing the cooldown by 10 seconds if you do it correctly…

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Hey Ocean said:

I did some additional extensive testing on getting gold and exp when defeating enemies with spells, it appears to significantly affect the gameplay of the map, as with any team combination that has spells as main source of damage - they simply can't progress, I had games where we couldn't reach lvl 3 before the first boss. No gold to buy items as well. Maybe there's a workaround for this bug? Instead of awarding gold/exp to the player who defeated an enemy - split gold and exp between all the players? Or give gold and exp rewards after clearing the room?

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Eat_Bacon_Daily said:

Hey I just wanted to pitch a fun idea for a room. If it's not your vibe, feel free to totally ignore this message

The room suggestion would be a recurring gambling room, much like the cursed item room. You get to play one of 3 random generated games of chance. The games could like Russian roulette for gold, or re-rolling a chest-type to get a better chest-type or get nothing. The room would also contain a goblin NPC that runs the games, you have to interact with him to play. The goblin NPC would have some floating text lines saying shady gambler stuff and you could chose to play his games or ignore the room and move on.
So my idea, in much in the same vein as your Gnolliver II scroll, you could have a scroll drop that reveals that under certain conditions you can turn the goblin NPC into a boss you can fight, thus permanently removing the room from reappearing, but you get a good item. My suggestion for activating the boss battle would be to sell the goblin NPC a gold bag with a specific number of stacks, like 17 or something. That way you can't activate the boss battle too early and even if you play the map again, you can't immediately activate the boss.
I think it would make a fun recurring character that players would get familiar with before killing and it would give the players some additional decision making.

Anyway, feel free to ignore this, I just felt like posting it hahaha.

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Blasterixx said:

Heyoo! I played this map more than a few times and i can say with absolute confidence that this map is a certified hood classic!
I played it on the latest version of War3.
I played mostly solo and eventually finished it solo! took me 2 hours and a half but i did it baby!

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My thoughts while playing the map:

- The Pepperbox item doesn't count the kills when you kill units using spells, is that intended? if yes you should specify that only kills using physical dmg counts. (there are some exceptions, for example spells that do physical dmg do work in getting stacks when you kill with them, like the aoe spell from Kenshi)

- I feel like mobs should drop more keys, i see so many chests and yet no keys to open them.

- The map is really fun to play! the replayability is indeed high.

- Some heroes are much weaker than others, based on my gameplay so far, Lord Garithos and Kenshi are the strongest heroes by far, not even close, for soloing that is.

- Pets don't come with the hero when you move to another room, i think they should.

- There are some spells that don't give xp when you kill creeps with them, making the heros useless, not able to lvl up: Water Nova spell from Dagon, Fire breath spell from Dragon Priest, The Vhoosh spell from Goblin Warlock, Flame Wave from Prophet of Flame and there are probably more but i haven't tested them all.

- A big problem is with the shops! i feel like there should be a shop in almost every room, that way we are able to sell items when we have the inventory full, every god damn time i needed an item from the shops they were nowehere to be found , but when i didn't have money or when i didn't need items i saw plenty of them this is super annoying! Especially in the later levels, it feels like the chance of spawning shops in rooms is super low.

- There needs to be a backpack! i know we can buy the horse that can carry items but, my man... that 15% chance to eat the item doesn't sound that great he also has only 3 slots.

We should be able to buy an upgrade for the horse, that increases the inventory space to 6 and removes his ability to eat items, The item should only show up in the shops after you bought the horse, the item should be called "A Magical Hay Bag" Description: This magical hay bag seems to have an infinite amount of hay inside, i guess our horse will love this more than just eating some random items"

- The locked icy safe doesn't open even with 6 keys, same with the fire one, how do you open those? it doesn't say anywhere. (now that i think about it, i remember seeing a key from the fireshop guy, i guess using that "fire" key will unluck the fire safe and the icy key from the icy shop? meh can't remember, anyway, i did end up putting 6 normal keys inside one of those icy/fire safe and i lost them all cuz it didn't open , maybe the fire/ice safe should drop the normal keys out similar to how it drops out any other item you try to put inside that isn't a key? that way you don't lose normal keys).

- I have a suggestion, what if when u get 2 of the same items, they combine into 1 stronger item, this might help with the space issues.

- There was this Gnoll scroll that dropped in the early levels, was i supposed to do something with that item? cuz i have no idea.




~Possitives

- I really love the map, mainly because it's difficult but not impossible to beat, especially as a solo player, i love maps that can be played and finished solo!

- Lots of unique and interesting creeps and mini-bosses and bosses, with cool spells, loved them.

You did a great job with changing the gameplay by making the bosses attack in certain areas which they indicate on the ground, a very cool use of this mechanic, replacing the "normal" way a unit attacks, that made the boss fights that much more interesting and fun to play, having to always move and dodge all their attacks, i can say with confidence your boss fights are one of the the best i've seen!

- I really liked the rogue like / darkest dungeon aspect of the game, with different strange and random rooms you can get into! loved the survival/traps room as well!

- So many heroes to pick from and i can't believe this but all of them got unique and new spells that i haven't seen before, which is amazing!

There were some heroes that were really funny like the Frog King and the Goblin worker (i do believe you should buff the goblin hero tho, he is too weak to play him solo, i feel like he has insane potential, maybe give him more int so you can use more spells and be able to clear the first rooms so you can progress solo).

- The items! huge variety of items to choose from, once again most of them unique with interesting spells, no idea how you managed to come up with so many new items and spells idea, but well done with that sir!

- I almost forgot, the skins were also awesome, but..... my favorite skin.... and THE BEST SKIN i have ever seen in any War3 Custom map! is this beauty:

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Trully majestic! I wish there was a hero with that skin!




After over 20 tries i finally managed to finish the map solo, i did it with Kenshi (fav hero) the main reason i choose this hero is because of the passive lifesteal and the windwalk that can get you out of trouble so you are able to survive and defeat any enemy! The ultimate is pretty strong as well, you can use the 2 clones to attack the bosses while you run around the boss and dodge his spells Teamplay!

Here is a picture with the final result:

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My rating for this splendid map is nothing but an S Tier with 99 out of 100 points!



P.S. It seems i played this map on the version 1.0.1, i downloaded the map a few days ago, and you must have updated it by then to 1.0.2, just pointing this out just in case you maybe solved some issues, anyway, bye!

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javivi said:

Hi! I was playing solo, i used the xpgoldfix and it works fine, except for a little bug where enemy abilities give gold and exp, including trap rooms.

Here is a little clip i got while playing.

The map is really cool, looking forward to playing more :3

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ExaltedHound said:

Just tried the latest patch and the -xpgoldfix seems to work, Thank you very much for fixing this

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javivi said:

Hi! I was playing solo, i used the xpgoldfix and it works fine, except for a little bug where enemy abilities give gold and exp, including trap rooms.

Here is a little clip i got while playing.

The map is really cool, looking forward to playing more :3

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A]mun said:

Just played it with some folks, pretty lovely experience, until...

The Death Knight had enough and fired his multiple death coils, which was our partie's kryptonite (all slow moving: frog king, corrupted ent etc).

Will know better for next time!

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Rufus said:

I don't feel like reviewing, just wanna say I really enjoyed the game
Fun items, fun heroes, fun rooms, fun bosses!

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Pickles said:

is Grahka supposed to start with 2 trinity trinkets?

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Shido said:

The moment I saw this:
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I have to play it. That's MY BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.

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