War's Legacy v1.60 (Kul Tiran)

[Dreadlord Tichondrius]

Well it shouldn't be crashing every 5 mins. There's going to be a little lag here and there, especially with a lot of factions at once.


What was happening when it crashed?

Maybe I was exagurating, but what I really meant was lag every five mins and occasional crashes
To other question: lag, screen goes black and I find myself on the "play" button again

 

[Wa666r]

Maybe I was exagurating, but what I really meant was lag every five mins and occasional crashes
To other question: lag, screen goes black and I find myself on the "play" button again

What version is your game and the version of war's legacy?

 

[Dreadlord Tichondrius]

What version is your game and the version of war's legacy?

Aaaaaaaah!
That's it.
Battle.net: 2.0.2.22761
Game: I just pressed the download button.
Prob also 'cause i'm playing on apple.

 

[Wa666r]

Aaaaaaaah!
That's it.
Battle.net: 2.0.2.22761
Game: I just pressed the download button.
Prob also 'cause i'm playing on apple.

MacOS is notorious for playing poorly.

 

[Dreadlord Tichondrius]

MacOS is notorious for playing poorly.

Thanks for helping me!

 

[Yplos]

Hello everyone! I have a problem, when i paste the War's Legacy folder in my Documents/WarcraftIII/Maps/Download folder it doesn't show up ingame. I tried making it shorter, removing characters, nothing works. Is there anyone who can help me? I'm playing on 1.36 WC3 reforged version.

 

[Ravager16829]

Hello everyone! I have a problem, when i paste the War's Legacy folder in my Documents/WarcraftIII/Maps/Download folder it doesn't show up ingame. I tried making it shorter, removing characters, nothing works. Is there anyone who can help me? I'm playing on 1.36 WC3 reforged version.

The author updated this map with the most recent version of World Editor (currently 2.0.2), so it will probably not work on the older patches.

 

[nhs325]

wait where's Nightnorne?

 

[Wa666r]

wait where's Nightnorne?

It takes forever to upload the updated version. If the map doesn't say 1.5 yet, its still trying to upload.

 

[APOCACS]

It was hard to update the bundle haha

 

[Wa666r]

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It was hard to update the bundle haha

Takes up to an hour to upload just one of the maps. Lord help me.

 

[APOCACS]

There is a bug for some reason when i used life's exiler item on nightborne shop it spawned this, i tried the 2nd time and it did the same thing. I have the new version of the map.

 

[Wa666r]

There is a bug for some reason when i used life's exiler item on nightborne shop it spawned this, i tried the 2nd time and it did the same thing. I have the new version of the map.
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Seems to be the only item broken. Let me know if you find any other bugs.

 

[Kotol]

There are also bugs in the Ice Troll Training Charge Mechanic. When a unit is trained, gold or lumber is not spent. Also, when research is started and then units are queued and then the research is completed, all the units in the queue are instantly trained and you suddenly have six units. This bug is also present on the standalone map.

 

[Wa666r]

There are also bugs in the Ice Troll Training Charge Mechanic. When a unit is trained, gold or lumber is not spent. Also, when research is started and then units are queued and then the research is completed, all the units in the queue are instantly trained and you suddenly have six units. This bug is also present on the standalone map.

Oh. That is true, can't believe I never noticed. That's quite a big issue. Might need to remove the whole charges mechanic if it can't be fixed.

 

[Kotol]

I know a few solutions: The problem of not spending gold and lumber can be solved with code, just like in the Curse Essence mechanic you made in before. When a building starts training an unit, the gold and lumber cost required for the unit is spent by codes. If training is stopped, the gold and lumber can be refunded. For the research problem, a separate add-on structure can be created like in the Terran building mechanic and the researches can be added to that building. Or, as in the previous version of the Scarlet Crusade map, all Ice Troll research upgrades can be based on weapons and armor.

I think the Training Charges mechanic is quite unique and removing the Training Charge mechanic would destroy all the uniqueness.

Finally, are you planning on adding innate abilities/racial bonuses to all factions similar to Worgen faction, which you recently overhauled?

 

[Wa666r]

I know a few solutions: The problem of not spending gold and lumber can be solved with code, just like in the Curse Essence mechanic you made in before. When a building starts training an unit, the gold and lumber cost required for the unit is spent by codes. If training is stopped, the gold and lumber can be refunded. For the research problem, a separate add-on structure can be created like in the Terran building mechanic and the researches can be added to that building. Or, as in the previous version of the Scarlet Crusade map, all Ice Troll research upgrades can be based on weapons and armor.

I think the Training Charges mechanic is quite unique and removing the Training Charge mechanic would destroy all the uniqueness.

Finally, are you planning on adding innate abilities/racial bonuses to all factions similar to Worgen faction, which you recently overhauled?

Will need to see what I can do. The editor isn't friendly to unique training mechanics.
No, each race already has unique mechanics to them that doesn't need to be specified in a tooltip.

 

[TheVoidSlayer]

Will need to see what I can do. The editor isn't friendly to unique training mechanics.
No, each race already has unique mechanics to them that doesn't need to be specified in a tooltip.

Unless there is someone who is going to do a review of your mappack with ALL RACES. I can't guarantee that I won't give up on this idea, besides from English only UI and subtitles...

 

[Wa666r]

Unless there is someone who is going to do a review of your mappack with ALL RACES. I can't guarantee that I won't give up on this idea, besides from English only UI and subtitles...

Thats quite the undertaking if they're gonna go piece by piece. Well, if there were someone that wanted to take on localizing all the text, I wouldn't mind helping here and there. Otherwise, that's a massive undertaking and AI can only translate so well.

 

[Kotol]

Ice Troll Training Charges mechanic bugs are no longer present. The Ice Troll Training Charge Limitation idea is quite unusual. I thought this bug could only be fixed with a mechanic like Terran add-ons or the outdated Scarlet Crusade upgrade mechanic. I had never thought of this idea. However, when I was researching and then I canceled research with the ESC key, I got the message "Completed: [Ice Troll] - Iced Hatchet". I think it can't be fixed due to engine limitations.

 

[Wa666r]

Ice Troll Training Charges mechanic bugs are no longer present. The Ice Troll Training Charge Limitation idea is quite unusual. I thought this bug could only be fixed with a mechanic like Terran add-ons or the outdated Scarlet Crusade upgrade mechanic. I had never thought of this idea. However, when I was researching and then I canceled research with the ESC key, I got the message "Completed: [Ice Troll] - Iced Hatchet". I think it can't be fixed due to engine limitations.

The issue is not easily fixed. I'm not sure what you mean by the old Scarlet method, the having abilities be leveled and unlocked by the damage and armor upgrades? I didn't want to have a Terran-like add-on system either, though it was an option. I might save that mechanic for another faction. Yeah, with the ESC cancel its either the message or have the game completely crash. If ESC chose the first thing in production to cancel instead of the last, it would have been no issue.

Maybe in the future a genius coder would find a workaround, but for right now, the limitations are too much.

 

[Kotol]

The issue is not easily fixed.

The current Ice Troll training charge mechanic now works, I think the minor message bugs can be ignored.

I'm not sure what you mean by the old Scarlet method, the having abilities be leveled and unlocked by the damage and armor upgrades?

Yes, All their upgrades was based on weapons and armor. Ice Troll Training Charge Limitation on upgrades is much better solution in my opinion. Now I found a bug with Felblood Elves Channel Demonfire - Red. If Channel Demonfire - Red is cast, this ability is transferred to the target of ability unit and also does not appear as a buff.

 

[Wa666r]

The current Ice Troll training charge mechanic now works, I think the minor message bugs can be ignored.


Yes, All their upgrades was based on weapons and armor. Ice Troll Training Charge Limitation on upgrades is much better solution in my opinion. Now I found a bug with Felblood Elves Channel Demonfire - Red. If Channel Demonfire - Red is cast, this ability is transferred to the target of ability unit and also does not appear as a buff.

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To do something like the old Scarlet Crusade upgrade system would require completely reworking and revamping most of the Ice Trolls, making them lose the uniqueness they already have. I don't think its worth it. That upgrade system might return in a different faction, though I didn't like how it worked in old Scarlet Crusade it can still be salvaged.

I see. If its one small single bug, I'm just going to add it towards 1.60 when I add another faction. If you find other's let me know.

 

[kklost]

Your work completely made me into the Melee world! Well Done mate. I'm having some fun against easy bots XD

 

[Famine]

Hello,
I'd like to report a bug concerning the Nightborn race. When attempting to upgrade the base using Tier 2 or Tier 3 resources, the resource values display with a negative sign, which seems unintended.

It appears that resources are being added instead of being properly deducted during the upgrade process.
The problem first appeared in patch 1.52; it was not present in patch 1.51.

 

[Kotol]

Hello. I found a few more bugs in your Kirin Tor faction. I also wanted to state my own suggestions regarding the Kirin Tor faction.

BUGS:

Violet Spellwing:

• Converge Energy ability does not work. When nearby units cast spells, Violet Spellwing neither gains hit points nor increases its attack rate and armor.

Arcanist:

• Displace Magic ability has a bug. If Displace Magic is cast on a summoned unit with the Displace Magic buff, the expiration timer stops forever.
  

Apprentice:

• Prismatic Link ability has a bug. During mana transfer, the health of the caster unit constantly decreases and then increases. When the channel ends, the caster always loses health.
  

Hero – High Wizard:

• Calming Waters ability has a bug. Calming Waters does not decrease cooldowns of the cast ability.

SUGGESTIONS:

Spellsword:

• The name does not fit the unit very well in terms of lore. He can be renamed as Violet Guard or Violet Warden.
• The Phaseblade ability icon and visual effects do not match in color. The icon is violet while the visual effects are blue.
• The Phaseblade ability does not trigger on enemy units next to the target unit. It only triggers on enemy units behind the target unit. I think the cleave radius is quite narrow, which almost never causes the ability to trigger and wastes mana.
• The Runed Armor ability is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Amulet of Spell Shield. It's also a bit too powerful for a basic melee unit. Instead, the Runed Armor ability can block a certain amount of magic damage from instances of damage above a certain amount of magic damage (the ability has a cooldown).

Scribe:

• During the assistant spellbook buff, Scribe's attack type can be changed to magical. In this case, he will deal more damage against heavy armor and be able to attack ethereal units, but will deal less damage against medium armor and will not be able to attack spell immune units. This is just a suggestion. You can add it or not.

Curator:

• Curator is more suitable as a name instead of Dalaran Golem. A new name could be found for the current Curator unit.

Arcanist:

• Both Arcanist and Apprentice have dispell ability (Destabilized and Clearcasting). It is enough to have only one spellcaster to have the dispel ability.
• The Mana Tumult ability can increase the mana cost of a target unit's abilities by 35% instead of costing 35% more mana when a target unit casts a spell. (Ability mana cost can be increased with the Set Unit Ability Real/Integer Field action)

Apprentice:

• Both Arcanist and Apprentice have dispell ability (Destabilized and Clearcasting). It is enough to have only one spellcaster to have the dispel ability.

Invoker:

• Attack ground AoE radius is quite low.
• I am not a fan of such organic siege caster unit.

Collector:

• Unit sound set: Mage Tower. Building sounds do not match unit sound set. Unit does not quote when moving or attacking.

Arcane Carrier:

• Unit sound set: Way Gate. Building sounds do not match unit sound set. Unit does not quote when moving or attacking.

Dalaran Golem:

• Curator is more suitable as a name instead of Dalaran Golem.
• A mechanical unit sound set can be applied instead of the Mountain Giant unit sound effect
• Instead of the Galvanized Plating upgrade, a feature that will make the Mitigation Core even stronger or something like spell immunity could be introduced. Galvanized Plating upgrade is a bit vanilla in my opinion.

Magician:

• It would be more suitable if it had Duplicate ability as (Q) and Anti-Magic Field ability as (W).
• Duplicate ability can be further strengthened as Kirin Tor is a caster faction. Illusions should deal damage, take lesser damage and cast spells but with lesser effect.
• Anti-Magic Field can also reduce magic resistance. The magic resistance reduction mechanic is a rather unusual one, but is not generally used by altered melee mapmakers.
• The Dark Ranger's ability Silence debuff icon shows when Magician casts Anti-Magic Field.

Violet Spellwing:

• In the portrait model, its eyes glow violet, but in the unit model, its eyes do not glow violet.
• Mystic Talons ability is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Searing Arrows. More unique features could be added.

Master Scholar:

• Magic Entrapment is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Polymorph/Hex that deals damage. The ability could have been crafted in a more unique way.
• Instant Travel ability does not teleport caster unit instantly. The casting delay can be reduced.

Council of Mages Summons:

• Only the health points, attack speed and attack abilities of the stronger variants of summoned elemental units (Ice, Water, Fire) are increased. The attack damage and armor of the stronger variants are the same as the weaker variants.
• The Firelord's ability Incinerate debuff icon shows when Fire Elemental attacks.
• Slow debuff icon shows when Ice Elemental attacks.

Magus Hall / Arcane Hold / Citadel - Float:

• Unit that does not consume food. Food cost should be added. Without food cost, a flying citadel army can be produced by spending all the gold and lumber, making this faction very powerful.

Wizard’s Watch:

• Empowered Magics ability is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Orb of Annihilation. More unique features could be added.

Kirin Tor – Orb of Power & Void Elves – Orb of Rifts:

• Orb of Power: Adds 5 bonus damage to the attack of a Hero when carried. The Hero's attacks also become ranged when attacking air and mana-steals for 4% of the damage dealt from basic attacks. Orb of Rifts: Adds 5 bonus damage to the attack of a Hero when carried. The Hero's attacks also become ranged when attacking air, and have a chance to steal 25 mana from the enemy target. Both steals mana on attack (actually restores mana on attack). The ability of one of these orbs can be reworked.

Innate Ability / Racial Bonus:

• Innate / Racial bonus ability should be added for organic non-hero units. This ability can be a percentage mana restoration increase and mana regeneration rate increase, or a passive mana shield that prevents fatal damage but costs mana for it.

Hero - Librarian:

• Accumulative Shielding does not inform about shield points. Shield abilities should inform the player how many shield points they have left, and what type of shield they have. Shield types can be specified as magical shields (blue), physical shields (red), and all shields (yellow). When a shield is active, the current shield values should be displayed above the health bar. (This feature is available in the Spiderlord ability Escutcheon in the Living Nerubians faction.)
  

Hero - Transmuter:

• Impetus’s mana-steal doesn't actually steal mana, it just restores a percentage of the damage done as mana to the attacking unit. Mana-steal is a completely different mechanic. In order for an ability to mana-steal, the attacking unit's mana must increase on attack, while the attacked enemy unit's mana must decrease on attack.
• Chromatic Anomaly ability does not create any effect while creating illusions, they appear suddenly. Abilities\Spells\Items\AIil\AIilTarget.mdl effect can be added.

Hero - Headmaster:

• Concentration Aura can give a maximum mana point bonus of a certain percentage instead of giving a flat mana point bonus.

Alternate Hero - Arcane Ranger:

• One of the heroes can be changed to a mystic ranger like the Arcane Curator from the old Dalaran faction before overhaul with Agility or Intelligence as the main attribute. The High Elves faction has an Alleria based hero, and the Forsaken faction has a Sylvanas based hero. Why can't the Kirin Tor faction has a Veresa based hero?

Alternate Spellcasters - Spellcasters based on Ice/Water/Fire magic:

• Ice/Water/Fire magic based spellcaster units can be added instead of Arcanist, Apprentice and Invoker spellcaster units.

 

[Wa666r]

Your work completely made me into the Melee world! Well Done mate. I'm having some fun against easy bots XD

Hell yeah.

Hello,
I'd like to report a bug concerning the Nightborn race. When attempting to upgrade the base using Tier 2 or Tier 3 resources, the resource values display with a negative sign, which seems unintended.
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It appears that resources are being added instead of being properly deducted during the upgrade process.
The problem first appeared in patch 1.52; it was not present in patch 1.51.

Thanks, thats a common thing to forget when importing over to War's Legacy.

Hello. I found a few more bugs in your Kirin Tor faction. I also wanted to state my own suggestions regarding the Kirin Tor faction.

BUGS:

Violet Spellwing:

• Converge Energy ability does not work. When nearby units cast spells, Violet Spellwing neither gains hit points nor increases its attack rate and armor.

Arcanist:

• Displace Magic ability has a bug. If Displace Magic is cast on a summoned unit with the Displace Magic buff, the expiration timer stops forever. View attachment 539450

Apprentice:

• Prismatic Link ability has a bug. During mana transfer, the health of the caster unit constantly decreases and then increases. When the channel ends, the caster always loses health. View attachment 539451

Hero – High Wizard:

• Calming Waters ability has a bug. Calming Waters does not decrease cooldowns of the cast ability.

SUGGESTIONS:

Spellsword:

• The name does not fit the unit very well in terms of lore. He can be renamed as Violet Guard or Violet Warden.
• The Phaseblade ability icon and visual effects do not match in color. The icon is violet while the visual effects are blue.
• The Phaseblade ability does not trigger on enemy units next to the target unit. It only triggers on enemy units behind the target unit. I think the cleave radius is quite narrow, which almost never causes the ability to trigger and wastes mana.
• The Runed Armor ability is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Amulet of Spell Shield. It's also a bit too powerful for a basic melee unit. Instead, the Runed Armor ability can block a certain amount of magic damage from instances of damage above a certain amount of magic damage (the ability has a cooldown).

Scribe:

• During the assistant spellbook buff, Scribe's attack type can be changed to magical. In this case, he will deal more damage against heavy armor and be able to attack ethereal units, but will deal less damage against medium armor and will not be able to attack spell immune units. This is just a suggestion. You can add it or not.

Curator:

• Curator is more suitable as a name instead of Dalaran Golem. A new name could be found for the current Curator unit.

Arcanist:

• Both Arcanist and Apprentice have dispell ability (Destabilized and Clearcasting). It is enough to have only one spellcaster to have the dispel ability.
• The Mana Tumult ability can increase the mana cost of a target unit's abilities by 35% instead of costing 35% more mana when a target unit casts a spell. (Ability mana cost can be increased with the Set Unit Ability Real/Integer Field action)

Apprentice:

• Both Arcanist and Apprentice have dispell ability (Destabilized and Clearcasting). It is enough to have only one spellcaster to have the dispel ability.

Invoker:

• Attack ground AoE radius is quite low.
• I am not a fan of such organic siege caster unit.

Collector:

• Unit sound set: Mage Tower. Building sounds do not match unit sound set. Unit does not quote when moving or attacking.

Arcane Carrier:

• Unit sound set: Way Gate. Building sounds do not match unit sound set. Unit does not quote when moving or attacking.

Dalaran Golem:

• Curator is more suitable as a name instead of Dalaran Golem.
• A mechanical unit sound set can be applied instead of the Mountain Giant unit sound effect
• Instead of the Galvanized Plating upgrade, a feature that will make the Mitigation Core even stronger or something like spell immunity could be introduced. Galvanized Plating upgrade is a bit vanilla in my opinion.

Magician:

• It would be more suitable if it had Duplicate ability as (Q) and Anti-Magic Field ability as (W).
• Duplicate ability can be further strengthened as Kirin Tor is a caster faction. Illusions should deal damage, take lesser damage and cast spells but with lesser effect.
• Anti-Magic Field can also reduce magic resistance. The magic resistance reduction mechanic is a rather unusual one, but is not generally used by altered melee mapmakers.
• The Dark Ranger's ability Silence debuff icon shows when Magician casts Anti-Magic Field.

Violet Spellwing:

• In the portrait model, its eyes glow violet, but in the unit model, its eyes do not glow violet.
• Mystic Talons ability is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Searing Arrows. More unique features could be added.

Master Scholar:

• Magic Entrapment is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Polymorph/Hex that deals damage. The ability could have been crafted in a more unique way.
• Instant Travel ability does not teleport caster unit instantly. The casting delay can be reduced.

Council of Mages Summons:

• Only the health points, attack speed and attack abilities of the stronger variants of summoned elemental units (Ice, Water, Fire) are increased. The attack damage and armor of the stronger variants are the same as the weaker variants.
• The Firelord's ability Incinerate debuff icon shows when Fire Elemental attacks.
• Slow debuff icon shows when Ice Elemental attacks.

Magus Hall / Arcane Hold / Citadel - Float:

• Unit that does not consume food. Food cost should be added. Without food cost, a flying citadel army can be produced by spending all the gold and lumber, making this faction very powerful.

Wizard’s Watch:

• Empowered Magics ability is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Orb of Annihilation. More unique features could be added.

Kirin Tor – Orb of Power & Void Elves – Orb of Rifts:

• Orb of Power: Adds 5 bonus damage to the attack of a Hero when carried. The Hero's attacks also become ranged when attacking air and mana-steals for 4% of the damage dealt from basic attacks. Orb of Rifts: Adds 5 bonus damage to the attack of a Hero when carried. The Hero's attacks also become ranged when attacking air, and have a chance to steal 25 mana from the enemy target. Both steals mana on attack (actually restores mana on attack). The ability of one of these orbs can be reworked.

Innate Ability / Racial Bonus:

• Innate / Racial bonus ability should be added for organic non-hero units. This ability can be a percentage mana restoration increase and mana regeneration rate increase, or a passive mana shield that prevents fatal damage but costs mana for it.

Hero - Librarian:

• Accumulative Shielding does not inform about shield points. Shield abilities should inform the player how many shield points they have left, and what type of shield they have. Shield types can be specified as magical shields (blue), physical shields (red), and all shields (yellow). When a shield is active, the current shield values should be displayed above the health bar. (This feature is available in the Spiderlord ability Escutcheon in the Living Nerubians faction.) View attachment 539456

Hero - Transmuter:

• Impetus’s mana-steal doesn't actually steal mana, it just restores a percentage of the damage done as mana to the attacking unit. Mana-steal is a completely different mechanic. In order for an ability to mana-steal, the attacking unit's mana must increase on attack, while the attacked enemy unit's mana must decrease on attack.
• Chromatic Anomaly ability does not create any effect while creating illusions, they appear suddenly. Abilities\Spells\Items\AIil\AIilTarget.mdl effect can be added.

Hero - Headmaster:

• Concentration Aura can give a maximum mana point bonus of a certain percentage instead of giving a flat mana point bonus.

Alternate Hero - Arcane Ranger:

• One of the heroes can be changed to a mystic ranger like the Arcane Curator from the old Dalaran faction before overhaul with Agility or Intelligence as the main attribute. The High Elves faction has an Alleria based hero, and the Forsaken faction has a Sylvanas based hero. Why can't the Kirin Tor faction has a Veresa based hero?

Alternate Spellcasters - Spellcasters based on Ice/Water/Fire magic:

• Ice/Water/Fire magic based spellcaster units can be added instead of Arcanist, Apprentice and Invoker spellcaster units.

Now that's one hell of a bug report. I'll need to fix and play around with somethings then comeback with some thoughts on your suggestions.
SUGGESTIONS:

Spellsword:

• The name does not fit the unit very well in terms of lore. He can be renamed as Violet Guard or Violet Warden.
• The Phaseblade ability icon and visual effects do not match in color. The icon is violet while the visual effects are blue.
• The Phaseblade ability does not trigger on enemy units next to the target unit. It only triggers on enemy units behind the target unit. I think the cleave radius is quite narrow, which almost never causes the ability to trigger and wastes mana.
• The Runed Armor ability is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Amulet of Spell Shield. It's also a bit too powerful for a basic melee unit. Instead, the Runed Armor ability can block a certain amount of magic damage from instances of damage above a certain amount of magic damage (the ability has a cooldown).

I quite like the name of Spellblade. Having one unit have the "Violet" in their name is enough.
I think the Runed Armor vanilla ability is unique enough and is not easily replicated through triggers. Would need to see them in more action to see if its really so overpowered.

Scribe:

• During the assistant spellbook buff, Scribe's attack type can be changed to magical. In this case, he will deal more damage against heavy armor and be able to attack ethereal units, but will deal less damage against medium armor and will not be able to attack spell immune units. This is just a suggestion. You can add it or not.

Naw. They're good keeping the Pierce damage. There's already plenty magic damage type in the faction. Plus the Assistant Spellbook causes spell damage.

Arcanist:

• Both Arcanist and Apprentice have dispell ability (Destabilized and Clearcasting). It is enough to have only one spellcaster to have the dispel ability.
• The Mana Tumult ability can increase the mana cost of a target unit's abilities by 35% instead of costing 35% more mana when a target unit casts a spell. (Ability mana cost can be increased with the Set Unit Ability Real/Integer Field action)

Apprentice:

• Both Arcanist and Apprentice have dispell ability (Destabilized and Clearcasting). It is enough to have only one spellcaster to have the dispel ability.

All races have a single target and an aoe dispel. This is no different.
You would think Set Unit Ability Real/Integer Field would work properly. It does not.

Invoker:

• Attack ground AoE radius is quite low.
• I am not a fan of such organic siege caster unit.

Well I'm a huge fan of that. Makes her unique and versatile.

Magician:

• It would be more suitable if it had Duplicate ability as (Q) and Anti-Magic Field ability as (W).
• Duplicate ability can be further strengthened as Kirin Tor is a caster faction. Illusions should deal damage, take lesser damage and cast spells but with lesser effect.
• Anti-Magic Field can also reduce magic resistance. The magic resistance reduction mechanic is a rather unusual one, but is not generally used by altered melee mapmakers.
• The Dark Ranger's ability Silence debuff icon shows when Magician casts Anti-Magic Field.

Violet Spellwing:

• In the portrait model, its eyes glow violet, but in the unit model, its eyes do not glow violet.
• Mystic Talons ability is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Searing Arrows. More unique features could be added.

Master Scholar:

• Magic Entrapment is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Polymorph/Hex that deals damage. The ability could have been crafted in a more unique way.
• Instant Travel ability does not teleport caster unit instantly. The casting delay can be reduced.

The whole point of illusions is to disorient and confuse the enemy, not as a reliable source of damage.
I think having the silence is enough of an effect.

The portrait issue is a non-issue to me. There's quite a few models that do that to save on having the battlefield be too flashy.

I really wish Polymorph was more flexible. I tried to make this have many different effects, but it really doesn't wanna cooperate. I'm fine with it being a similar polymorph.
the "Instant" in Instant travel refers to how fast they move, not when they started the ability.

Council of Mages Summons:

• Only the health points, attack speed and attack abilities of the stronger variants of summoned elemental units (Ice, Water, Fire) are increased. The attack damage and armor of the stronger variants are the same as the weaker variants.
• The Firelord's ability Incinerate debuff icon shows when Fire Elemental attacks.
• Slow debuff icon shows when Ice Elemental attacks.

Magus Hall / Arcane Hold / Citadel - Float:

• Unit that does not consume food. Food cost should be added. Without food cost, a flying citadel army can be produced by spending all the gold and lumber, making this faction very powerful.

Wizard’s Watch:

• Empowered Magics ability is actually the vanilla Warcraft III ability Orb of Annihilation. More unique features could be added.

That's how it was intended to be. The attack damage fields are not working so I buffed other things.

In order to make mass Float a viable source the player would need a ludicrous amount of resources and long time, which would not be ideal late. I think having such huge restrictions, and then risking losing tech and huge investments. I don't think they should have a food cost.

Meh. I think its fine enough for a tower. It already has synergy with the Council of the Mages system.

Innate Ability / Racial Bonus:

• Innate / Racial bonus ability should be added for organic non-hero units. This ability can be a percentage mana restoration increase and mana regeneration rate increase, or a passive mana shield that prevents fatal damage but costs mana for it.

Hero - Librarian:

• Accumulative Shielding does not inform about shield points. Shield abilities should inform the player how many shield points they have left, and what type of shield they have. Shield types can be specified as magical shields (blue), physical shields (red), and all shields (yellow). When a shield is active, the current shield values should be displayed above the health bar. (This feature is available in the Spiderlord ability Escutcheon in the Living Nerubians faction.)

Not every faction needs an innate/racial bonus. This faction is plenty unique enough without it.

For the Spiderlord its only one unit that has the indicator. For something like Accumulative Shielding the whole screen would be filled with dozens these indicators (which are actually dummy units), not only obscuring the screen but also causing increased lag from all the extra units that just spawned. Also the indicator would not be removed with pressing Alt.

Hero - Headmaster:

• Concentration Aura can give a maximum mana point bonus of a certain percentage instead of giving a flat mana point bonus.

Alternate Hero - Arcane Ranger:

• One of the heroes can be changed to a mystic ranger like the Arcane Curator from the old Dalaran faction before overhaul with Agility or Intelligence as the main attribute. The High Elves faction has an Alleria based hero, and the Forsaken faction has a Sylvanas based hero. Why can't the Kirin Tor faction has a Veresa based hero?

Alternate Spellcasters - Spellcasters based on Ice/Water/Fire magic:

• Ice/Water/Fire magic based spellcaster units can be added instead of Arcanist, Apprentice and Invoker spellcaster units.

Flat amount works just as fine to me.

Maybe I'd have a neutral Arcane Archer hero down the line. I didnt feel like she fit in with a Kirin Tor faction, thus she was replaced.

The Invoker takes the role of elemental 'spellcasters'.

 

[Kotol]

Wow. I'm really impressed. I'll be checking out the other factions to help you out more (finding bugs and making suggestions). The next faction I'll review will be the Fel Horde, which is the 2nd faction you've created, but excluding the Lost Ones and Forsaken, the Fel Horde is the most outdated. I don't know if you'll be doing a new overhaul for Fel Horde, but I'll give it a review anyway. By the way, Fel Horde is my first and my favorite faction I've played. You may want to wait for updates, because my plan is to review all your factions so I can find bugs and make suggestions.

 

[Wa666r]

Wow. I'm really impressed. I'll be checking out the other factions to help you out more (finding bugs and making suggestions). The next faction I'll review will be the Fel Horde, which is the 2nd faction you've created, but excluding the Lost Ones and Forsaken, the Fel Horde is the most outdated. I don't know if you'll be doing a new overhaul for Fel Horde, but I'll give it a review anyway. By the way, Fel Horde is my first and my favorite faction I've played. You may want to wait for updates, because my plan is to review all your factions so I can find bugs and make suggestions.

That's a big help. I would actually say that the Felblood Elves are the most outdated. I recently looked and played around with them and they certainly do not need a complete overhaul, but a significant update.

The Fel Horde I dont think need a complete overhaul, but they can certainly be improved upon.

You're a madman trying to review them all in the same in-depth way as the Kirin Tor. Whenever I add a new race into this there's always some ability or something that falls through the cracks.

 

[Kotol]

By the way, while doing research on the Curator, I realized this. The Curator is actually a WoW boss, but I thought of it as a regular unit. It can be reverted, but that's your decision. You can do whatever you see fit.

I also found some typos about the Kirin Tor faction. I will share them with you soon. Here is an example I found: - Assistant Spellbook: Summons a floating spellbook. When the Spellscribe (it should be Scribe) attacks, the book also launches a magic bolt at the target, dealing additional magic damage.

 

[Wa666r]

Having multiple Curators is fine to me.

Damn tooltips.

 

[Kotol]

I found these typo errors. Typo errors I've found generally include using double punctuation and double spaces, missing/excessive letters, explanations that may confuse the player such as mana destruction, mana reducing (mana loss actions may be referred to as burning if it causes damage based on mana removed, draining if the mana is stolen and transferred to another unit, or removed if the mana is simply removed without other effects.), stating the percentage as .XX (generally it would be more explanatory to state 0.20 instead of .20), and not specifying the tooltip for some summon units (e.g. Arcane Elemental).

Scriber:

Assistant Spellbook: Summons a floating spellbook. When the Spellscribe (Scribe) attacks, the book also launches a magic bolt at the target, dealing additional magic damage.

Master Scholar:

Spellstorm: Attacks deal damage to multiple enemies.. (two dots)

Hero – Transmuter / Hero – Transmuter (Chronomatic Anomaly):

• Temporal Bolt: (<= two spaces) Strikes a target, dealing damage and mana damage (removing mana instead). Slows the target.

• Impetus: Increases attack rate and causes atacks (attacks) to regain (restore instead maybe) mana.

Arcane Elemental:

Arcane Elemental has no tooltip.

Magic Entrapment:

Magic Entrapment has no tooltip.

Duplicate:

Create an illusory double of the targeted unit when used. The illusory double deals no damage to enemy units, takes 2 times the damage from enemy attacks, and will disappear after 60 seconds or when its hit points reach zero (dot is missing)

Mana Tumult:

Strikes an enemy with dangerous magic, destroying (removing instead maybe) 80 mana (25 mana for heroes) and leaving the target debuffed, causing them to spend 35% more mana when casting spells and move 50% slower.|nLasts 60 seconds.

Mystic Talons:

Adds 12 bonus damage to attacks, but drains mana (<= two spaces) per attack. (I haven’t downloaded 1.53 version yet)

Chronomatic Anomaly:

Gathers strength from time, increasing hit points by 300. Each attack dealt or taken has a 20% chance to create an illusion of the Transmuter, which deals 30% of base damage and takes 200% damage. Illusions last for 5 seconds..(two dots) |nLasts 45 seconds.

Temporal Bolt:

Blasts an enemy with time magic, dealing damage and reducing (removing instead maybe) mana. The affected unit has its movement speed and attack rate slowed for a short duration.|nLasts 15 seconds. |n|n|cffffcc00Level 1|r - 75 strike damage, 40 mana, 20% speeds reduction. |n|cffffcc00Level 2|r - 150 strike damage, 60 mana, 30% speeds reduction. |n|cffffcc00Level 3|r - 225 strike damage, 80 mana, 40% speeds reduction.

Accumulating Shielding (Buff):

This unit has Accumulative Shielding. (<= two spaces) It blocks damage until the shield is broken.

Impetus (Buff):

This unit has Impetus; it attacks faster and gains (restores instead maybe) mana on attacks.

Aether Volley (Buff):

This unit has been Arcane (Aether) Volley. (<= two spaces) It has taken damage.

Flame Accelerant (Buff):

This unit has been Flame Accelerant. (<= two spaces) It is being damaged over time.

Piercing Cold (Buff):

This unit has been Piercing Cold. (<= two spaces) It has been slowed in attack rate and movement speed.

Assistant Spellbook (Upgrade):

Allows Scribe to use the |cffb589beAssistant Spellbook|r ability, which summons a floating spellbook above the Scribe – (; instead of – maybe) increasing attack rate by and when the Scribe attacks, the book also launches a magic shock at the target.

Mana Clarity / Improved Mana Clarity / Advanced Mana Clarity (Upgrade):

Increases the mana regeneration of all Kirin Tor units by .20 (0.20 instead maybe). |n|nResearch level: 1/3

Studied Spellcrafting / Sophisticated Spellcrafting / Ingenious Spellcrafting (Upgrade):

Increases the ranged attack damage of:: (two colons) |n|n|cC0C0C0AAAffects:|r |n- |cffb589beScribe|r |n- |cffb589beCurator|r |n- |cffb589beInvoker|r |n- |cffb589beArcane Carrier|r |n- |cffb589beMaster Scholar|r |n|nResearch level: 1/3

Surging Bracers / Emend Surging Bracers / Refined Surging Bracers (Upgrade):

Upgrade names are [Krini Tor] ([Kirin Tor]) - Surging Bracers / [Krini Tor] ([Kirin Tor]) - Emend Surging Bracers / [Krini Tor] ([Kirin Tor]) - Refined Surging Bracers

 

[Wa666r]

I found these typo errors. Typo errors I've found generally include using double punctuation and double spaces, missing/excessive letters, explanations that may confuse the player such as mana destruction, mana reducing (mana loss actions may be referred to as burning if it causes damage based on mana removed, draining if the mana is stolen and transferred to another unit, simply or removed if the mana is removed without other effects), stating the percentage as .XX (generally it would be more explanatory to state 0.20 instead). of .20), and not specifying the tooltip for some summon units (e.g. Arcane Elemental).

Scriber:

Assistant Spellbook: Summons a floating spellbook. When the Spellscribe (Scribe) attacks, the book also launches a magic bolt at the target, dealing additional magic damage.

Master Scholar:

Spellstorm: Attacks deal damage to multiple enemies.. (two dots)

Hero – Transmuter / Hero – Transmuter (Chronomatic Anomaly):

• Temporal Bolt: (<= two spaces) Strikes a target, dealing damage and mana damage (removing mana instead). Slows the target.
• Impetus: Increases attack rate and causes atacks (attacks) to regain (restore instead maybe) mana.

Arcane Elemental:

Arcane Elemental has no tooltip.

Magic Entrapment:

Magic Entrapment has no tooltip.

Duplicate:

Create an illusory double of the targeted unit when used. The illusory double deals no damage to enemy units, takes 2 times the damage from enemy attacks, and will disappear after 60 seconds or when its hit points reach zero (dot is missing)

Mana Tumult:

Strikes an enemy with dangerous magic, destroying (removing instead maybe) 80 mana (25 mana for heroes) and leaving the target debuffed, causing them to spend 35% more mana when casting spells and move 50% slower.|nLasts 60 seconds.

Mystic Talons:

Adds 12 bonus damage to attacks, but drains mana (<= two spaces) per attack. (I haven’t downloaded 1.53 version yet)

Chronomatic Anomaly:

Gathers strength from time, increasing hit points by 300. Each attack dealt or taken has a 20% chance to create an illusion of the Transmuter, which deals 30% of base damage and takes 200% damage. Illusions last for 5 seconds..(two dots) |nLasts 45 seconds.

Temporal Bolt:

Blasts an enemy with time magic, dealing damage and reducing (removing instead maybe) mana. The affected unit has its movement speed and attack rate slowed for a short duration.|nLasts 15 seconds. |n|n|cffffcc00Level 1|r - 75 strike damage, 40 mana, 20% speeds reduction. |n|cffffcc00Level 2|r - 150 strike damage, 60 mana, 30% speeds reduction. |n|cffffcc00Level 3|r - 225 strike damage, 80 mana, 40% speeds reduction.

Accumulating Shielding (Buff):

This unit has Accumulative Shielding. (<= two spaces) It blocks damage until the shield is broken.

Impetus (Buff):

This unit has Impetus; it attacks faster and gains (restores instead maybe) mana on attacks.

Aether Volley (Buff):

This unit has been Arcane Volley. (= two spaces) It has taken damage.

Flame Accelerant (Buff):

This unit has been Flame Accelerant. (= two spaces) It is being damaged over time.

Piercing Cold (Buff):

This unit has been Piercing Cold. (= two spaces) It has been slowed in attack rate and movement speed.

Assistant Spellbook (Upgrade):

Allows Scribe to use the |cffb589beAssistant Spellbook|r ability, which summons a floating spellbook above the Scribe – (; instead of – maybe) increasing attack rate by and when the Scribe attacks, the book also launches a magic shock at the target.

Mana Clarity / Improved Mana Clarity / Advanced Mana Clarity (Upgrade):

Increases the mana regeneration of all Kirin Tor units by .20 (0.20 instead maybe). |n|nResearch level: 1/3

Studied Spellcrafting / Sophisticated Spellcrafting / Ingenious Spellcrafting (Upgrade):

Increases the ranged attack damage of:: (two colons) |n|n|cC0C0C0AAAffects:|r |n- |cffb589beScribe|r |n- |cffb589beCurator|r |n- |cffb589beInvoker|r |n- |cffb589beArcane Carrier|r |n- |cffb589beMaster Scholar|r |n|nResearch level: 1/3

Surging Bracers / Emend Surging Bracers / Refined Surging Bracers (Upgrade):

Upgrade names are [Krini Tor] ([Kirin Tor]) - Surging Bracers / [Krini Tor] ([Kirin Tor]) - Emend Surging Bracers / [Krini Tor] ([Kirin Tor]) - Refined Surging Bracers

Someone is meticulous as hell. How nice would it be if the editor had a spellcheck.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Someone is meticulous as hell. How nice would it be if the editor had a spellcheck.

I'm right here man. ^_^

Or at least I used to be, before your output exceeded my capabilities.

 

[Wa666r]

I'm right here man. ^_^

Or at least I used to be, before your output exceeded my capabilities.

Wanna jump in my world editor and be a little spellcheck troll?

 

[Macielos]

I've just started testing various races from this pack. They are amazing, each having their own unique feel and visuals.

Were the Fel Elves supposed to have that many turrets though? :

Also I encountered a bit of lag during big battles with Qiraji, me playing Lightforged Draenei, normal Draenei as ally, Qiraji and Fel Elves as enemies. They're only occasional, last a couple of seconds and end. Could be one of Qiraji's abilities.

Ah, and loading a save crashes a game. Tried on 2 different games, one time just after the start.

 

[Wa666r]

I've just started testing various races from this pack. They are amazing, each having their own unique feel and visuals.

Were the Fel Elves supposed to have that many turrets though? :

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Also I encountered a bit of lag during big battles with Qiraji, me playing Lightforged Draenei, normal Draenei as ally, Qiraji and Fel Elves as enemies. They're only occasional, last a couple of seconds and end. Could be one of Qiraji's abilities.

Ah, and loading a save crashes a game. Tried on 2 different games, one time just after the start.

I've been trying to get this to be more stable, but its a monumental task. Any reports are welcomed. The ai should not be making a billion towers like that.

 

[Macielos]

I've been trying to get this to be more stable, but its a monumental task. Any reports are welcomed. The ai should not be making a billion towers like that.

Thanks. I imagine tracking down the lags could be difficult, as there are probably lots of ability triggers contributing to that - on damage actions, proximity triggers etc. - rather than a single very unoptimized mechanics.

You could just look at the load game issue, I think it happens every time.

 

[Wa666r]

Thanks. I imagine tracking down the lags could be difficult, as there are probably lots of ability triggers contributing to that - on damage actions, proximity triggers etc. - rather than a single very unoptimized mechanics.

You could just look at the load game issue, I think it happens every time.

I dont even know where to start with the save/load issues. It is something that the vanilla game suffers from as well. With weird looping music, missing models, broken ai. Might be hardcoded.

Has your campaign faced similar issues with save/load? The original was part of the reason I wanted to make my own years later. It and the new one are a great campaign.

 

[Macielos]

Normally I have no problems with loading, but yeah, there are some edge cases that break it. One I can recall is when I stored references to UI frames as variables. I needed to call my initialization logic on game load which created these references again.

I tried launching a game picking just humans vs orcs, after a few seconds I quicksaved, loaded and the crash occured. I'd check through triggers that run on map initialization and variables that are set then. In the worst case you can just try disabling them until the map stops crashing.

 

[Famine]

I found a new bug: when I play with another player and add an AI after choosing a race, the game freezes."

 

[Dreadlord Tichondrius]

Is the map protected, because I want to disable the win-lose condition in the triggers cause I cant play custom factions alone.

 

[Wa666r]

Normally I have no problems with loading, but yeah, there are some edge cases that break it. One I can recall is when I stored references to UI frames as variables. I needed to call my initialization logic on game load which created these references again.

I tried launching a game picking just humans vs orcs, after a few seconds I quicksaved, loaded and the crash occured. I'd check through triggers that run on map initialization and variables that are set then. In the worst case you can just try disabling them until the map stops crashing.

Good to know. Noted.

I found a new bug: when I play with another player and add an AI after choosing a race, the game freezes."

What do you mean? Player one is the host, game doesn't start until all player's finish choosing.

Is the map protected, because I want to disable the win-lose condition in the triggers cause I cant play custom factions alone.

It's not protected. You can also set the other player as an ally then play freely.

 

[Percival Armen]

I've encountered very curious bug while playing as Scarlet Crusade added today. When I summoned Templar hero, he began spawning zombie like creatures constantly without stop and on top of it (I don't know if it was his aura that I picked as first skill), everything around him was getting damaged; Friendly buildings, friendly units and even himself until he died on his own.

Now I ask... Is that an odd bug or even weirder feature? lol

Also another thing, I have noticed that High Inquisitor has Skill 1 and Skill 3 named Cascading Light in learnable skills selection.

 

[Wa666r]

I've encountered very curious bug while playing as Scarlet Crusade added today. When I summoned Templar hero, he began spawning zombie like creatures constantly without stop and on top of it (I don't know if it was his aura that I picked as first skill), everything around him was getting damaged; Friendly buildings, friendly units and even himself until he died on his own.

Now I ask... Is that an odd bug or even weirder feature? lol

Also another thing, I have noticed that High Inquisitor has Skill 1 and Skill 3 named Cascading Light in learnable skills selection.

Great. That means many other abilities will be broken from trying to optimize this.

 

[EssentCre17]

Help, I have Warcraft 3 Reforged v2.0, and after the War's Legacy update, the maps in the folder won't load. Can anyone help me, please?

 

[Wa666r]

Help, I have Warcraft 3 Reforged v2.0, and after the War's Legacy update, the maps in the folder won't load. Can anyone help me, please?

Sometimes if the name of a map is too long it wont show. You could try renaming to something shorter.

 

[Ravager16829]

Sometimes if the name of a map is too long it wont show. You could try renaming to something shorter.

That's not the only case. Older game version might cause a problem as well. Thanks tulee.

Before asking any kind of question, it's better to include the game version first.

"Warcraft 3 Reforged v2.0" sounds like ambiguous so I assumed that guy's post uses the different versions of Reforged 2.0. The latest is 2.0.3, which you can get it through Battle.net.

And yes, this site doesn't support, condone, or allow the discussion related to pirating games. You need a legit game (at least ROC key or full copy of Reforged) if you want to play Warcraft III.

 

[xTigershark]

Very nice mod! looking forward for more factions, the older mod had 32 factions?
I also try to add Random Building, Random Units but the computer AI cant use the abilites, cant build building from other factions, possible to do it for them?, if you can show an example what to add to a trigger?

 

[Kotol]

Very nice mod! looking forward for more factions, the older mod had 32 factions?
I also try to add Random Building, Random Units but the computer AI cant use the abilites, cant build building from other factions, possible to do it for them?, if you can show an example what to add to a trigger?

The older mod (Ultimate Battle) had 32 factions because some of them are not made by @Wa666r, and the most of the factions which made by @Wa666r were outdated.

I really want to see custom tavern heroes, custom neutral creeps with new abilities and custom neutral items.