High Elves V3.0

[Moderator]

16:57, 23rd May 2013
Orcnet: Hell_Master's review:

Heya, another melee map from you! Played this and I was amaze by the new race, High Elves. For me, they are balance enough but some problems in icons, models and such. Your problem in icon is you used some icons such as BTNs to UPG icons and that is wrong. For the models, dont use models with glows or hero models to units. And when was upgrading I think the Saw Mill, a screen like object appeared behind the Sawmill.... weird. So by the way, here is my review:

[+] Good Points:
-Terrain is good. Its not that flat but you have some problems such as empty atmosphere and you only used few doodads to give details to the terrain.
-This map has the needed resources such as: Gold Mines and Shops.
-The map is huge enough perfect for huge melee battle. Area is open and perfect for any possibilites such as ambushes. Symbolizing a good melee.
-Really good and balanced race, the Nigh Elves. I had fun playing that race.

[-] Bad Points:
-Terrain is good but you have problems such as empty atmoshpere. You only used few doodads to give details to the terrain but that is not enough. Fill it with more love and maybe add some waterfalls for better results in each ends of the river in the middle.
-Good and balanced race, High Elves but noticed some bugs such as improper icons used on units, hero model used on units, Sawmill when it is build a large screen appears behind it when I upgrade it and the second skill of the Guardian doesnt seem to work because I have turned it on so it will give me HP with cost of mana but the problem is it doesnt even give me life but it stll consumes mana.
-I noticed that when a computer uses the Human Race, they dont convert to High Elves. You said that for Human it is Night Elves right?

[] Suggestions:
-Improve your terrain by giving more details into it. Fill the terrain with some more doodads and also you might want also to add in each end of the river in the middle a waterfall.
-Fix those bugs and problems that I have said about the new race, High Elves... well, except for the awmill because you said it is the model's fault but how about finding a different model for it?
-Fix the bug about the computer cannot use High Elves race.

Overall, this is a good melee map that I enjoyed. Nothing more to say, I would like to rate this 4/5 and +3 REP to you!

Voting for Approval also.

 

[Daffa]

The next one I presume

 

[Wa666r]

You sir are correct.

 

[Daffa]

No, just call me mate, I'm too young to be called that xD

 

[Legal_Ease]

This looks really nice, I can't wait to play it.
EDIT:
Ok, I played it. And thats not just nice, that is amazing!!! +2 rep. 5/5. Easily the best custom race I've seen with the exception of I saw on director's cut list. Seriously balanced, innovative spells, an excellent selection of models. Though I have a small complaint about the units which have some red in them. They don't look so great in blue. e.g. Blood Mage. The names given to units and spells are very creative. All in all, this is a refreshing change from the norm and a high quality piece of work.

 

[Wa666r]

Thanks! the Blood Mage could be fixed. Oh, and try the race in teal or light blue, I think they look the best in those colors. And if anyone comes across a glitch with the Saw Mill's animations, I cannot fix it, that would be a modeler's job. Sorry.

 

[Binsu]

Heya, another melee map from you! Played this and I was amaze by the new race, High Elves. For me, they are balance enough but some problems in icons, models and such. Your problem in icon is you used some icons such as BTNs to UPG icons and that is wrong. For the models, dont use models with glows or hero models to units. And when was upgrading I think the Saw Mill, a screen like object appeared behind the Sawmill.... weird. So by the way, here is my review:

[+] Good Points:
-Terrain is good. Its not that flat but you have some problems such as empty atmosphere and you only used few doodads to give details to the terrain.
-This map has the needed resources such as: Gold Mines and Shops.
-The map is huge enough perfect for huge melee battle. Area is open and perfect for any possibilites such as ambushes. Symbolizing a good melee.
-Really good and balanced race, the Nigh Elves. I had fun playing that race.

[-] Bad Points:
-Terrain is good but you have problems such as empty atmoshpere. You only used few doodads to give details to the terrain but that is not enough. Fill it with more love and maybe add some waterfalls for better results in each ends of the river in the middle.
-Good and balanced race, High Elves but noticed some bugs such as improper icons used on units, hero model used on units, Sawmill when it is build a large screen appears behind it when I upgrade it and the second skill of the Guardian doesnt seem to work because I have turned it on so it will give me HP with cost of mana but the problem is it doesnt even give me life but it stll consumes mana.
-I noticed that when a computer uses the Human Race, they dont convert to High Elves. You said that for Human it is Night Elves right?

[] Suggestions:
-Improve your terrain by giving more details into it. Fill the terrain with some more doodads and also you might want also to add in each end of the river in the middle a waterfall.
-Fix those bugs and problems that I have said about the new race, High Elves... well, except for the awmill because you said it is the model's fault but how about finding a different model for it?
-Fix the bug about the computer cannot use High Elves race.

Overall, this is a good melee map that I enjoyed. Nothing more to say, I would like to rate this 4/5 and +3 REP to you!

Voting for Approval also.

 

[Wa666r]

Heya, another melee map from you! Played this and I was amaze by the new race, High Elves. For me, they are balance enough but some problems in icons, models and such. Your problem in icon is you used some icons such as BTNs to UPG icons and that is wrong. For the models, dont use models with glows or hero models to units. And when was upgrading I think the Saw Mill, a screen like object appeared behind the Sawmill.... weird. So by the way, here is my review:

[+] Good Points:
-Terrain is good. Its not that flat but you have some problems such as empty atmosphere and you only used few doodads to give details to the terrain.
-This map has the needed resources such as: Gold Mines and Shops.
-The map is huge enough perfect for huge melee battle. Area is open and perfect for any possibilites such as ambushes. Symbolizing a good melee.
-Really good and balanced race, the Nigh Elves. I had fun playing that race.

[-] Bad Points:
-Terrain is good but you have problems such as empty atmoshpere. You only used few doodads to give details to the terrain but that is not enough. Fill it with more love and maybe add some waterfalls for better results in each ends of the river in the middle.
-Good and balanced race, High Elves but noticed some bugs such as improper icons used on units, hero model used on units, Sawmill when it is build a large screen appears behind it when I upgrade it and the second skill of the Guardian doesnt seem to work because I have turned it on so it will give me HP with cost of mana but the problem is it doesnt even give me life but it stll consumes mana.
-I noticed that when a computer uses the Human Race, they dont convert to High Elves. You said that for Human it is Night Elves right?

[] Suggestions:
-Improve your terrain by giving more details into it. Fill the terrain with some more doodads and also you might want also to add in each end of the river in the middle a waterfall.
-Fix those bugs and problems that I have said about the new race, High Elves... well, except for the awmill because you said it is the model's fault but how about finding a different model for it?
-Fix the bug about the computer cannot use High Elves race.

Overall, this is a good melee map that I enjoyed. Nothing more to say, I would like to rate this 4/5 and +3 REP to you!

Voting for Approval also.

I don't really like to interfere with Blizzard's maps when I am making a custom race. But on my next map, I shall include my own map with the races. I could look around for a new model, even though I do enjoy the model and it's looks. I didn't make an AI for the High Elves, so that is why they don't show up when you wanted them.

The Gaurdian's ability heals nearby friendly units, not himself, that be a bit OP.

I'll look into the icons and models. But there are a few problems: some models fit perfectly and I wish i could remove the hero model from it, and the Icons can be a bit pesky at times, but I'll try to fix them.

Thanks for the review!

 

[Binsu]

I don't really like to interfere with Blizzard's maps when I am making a custom race. But on my next map, I shall include my own map with the races. I could look around for a new model, even though I do enjoy the model and it's looks. I didn't make an AI for the High Elves, so that is why they don't show up when you wanted them.

The Gaurdian's ability heals nearby friendly units, not himself, that be a bit OP.

I'll look into the icons and models. But there are a few problems: some models fit perfectly and I wish i could remove the hero model from it, and the Icons can be a bit pesky at times, but I'll try to fix them.

Thanks for the review!

No problem, looking forward for more of your maps!

 

[sonofjay]

What the fuck? The map was approved because Hell_Master's review is 95% about the melee terrain? That terrain is made by Blizzard. The review need to be remade and focus more on the new race.. The name of the map is Dark Forest.

 

[Binsu]

What the fuck? The map was approved because Hell_Master's review is 95% about the melee terrain? That terrain is made by Blizzard. The review need to be remade and focus more on the new race.. The name of the map is Dark Forest.

Hehehehe, ask Orcnet....lol.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Please note, I did not create the HeroRanger Icon, I did give it to Wa666r but I found it in a map I downloaded and its author is unknown. I did make the Mounted Archer though.

Good catch sonofjay.

 

[TaShadan]

Screenshots please!

 

[Binsu]

Screenshots please!

It already has screenshots, good sir. =)

 

[TaShadan]

Strange. I cant see them.

 

[Binsu]

Strange. I cant see them.

Go to the descriptions and find the Screenshots Section =)

 

[TaShadan]

I know but when i click on reveal, i still cant see anything.

 

[Binsu]

I know but when i click on reveal, i still cant see anything.

Like blank or it is displaying X? If blank, maybe wait for your browser to load it.

 

[TaShadan]

Its blank but the browser is not loading anything (it works on other map discreptions).

Tried the map once and found a problem and some stuff i dislike.

The Horse Archer unit has a bug when dying. Also it has an aura and i can click the icon which opens 2 more icons??? Whats the purpose of that?

I honestly dislike some of the hotkeys and the choice of icons. For example i dislike the Orc Spear Upgrade Icons beeing used for ranged upgrades.
Also i dislike the Human blacksmith beeing used. It doesnt fit the other buildings.
The hotkey for the elven farm is really badly placed ("O"), i think "E" is better.
The hotkey for the sundering shield is "U" and really hard to use when in battle.

 

[Wa666r]

Its blank but the browser is not loading anything (it works on other map discreptions).

Tried the map once and found a problem and some stuff i dislike.

The Horse Archer unit has a bug when dying. Also it has an aura and i can click the icon which opens 2 more icons??? Whats the purpose of that?

I honestly dislike some of the hotkeys and the choice of icons. For example i dislike the Orc Spear Upgrade Icons beeing used for ranged upgrades.
Also i dislike the Human blacksmith beeing used. It doesnt fit the other buildings.
The hotkey for the elven farm is really badly placed ("O"), i think "E" is better.
The hotkey for the sundering shield is "U" and really hard to use when in battle.

Well you see, for the horse archer's aura there is no one ability that can increase ranged damage and return melee damage. So I combined two auras so that it will have the effects. I could have given the horse archer two separate abilities, but I chose to keep them in one with the spell book ability. Unfortunately I can't fix that problem.

As for the blacksmith, I thought it was a pretty good fit. In the campaign, that's what the high elves used. And if there is a model that works for the race, please tell me.

You brought up a good point about the hot keys. I'm not the best melee player so I can't really catch those problems. I will try to fix the hot keys up, or maybe just make a universal hot key system depending on where the Icon is located.

 

[TaShadan]

The cosmetic stuff is just my oppinion.
I didnt try all ability hotkeys but the building hotkeys are fine in general, just edit the 2 i listed above.

I have no checked ingame but maybe this is fitting?
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/elvenforge-47703/?prev=c=9&t=6&r=20&d=list&page=2
or one of these?
http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=93925

 

[Wa666r]

The cosmetic stuff is just my oppinion.
I didnt try all ability hotkeys but the building hotkeys are fine in general, just edit the 2 i listed above.

I have no checked ingame but maybe this is fitting?
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/elvenforge-47703/?prev=c=9&t=6&r=20&d=list&page=2
or one of these?
http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=93925

Oh those are perfect. how did I not find them before. They can also show the tower animations when upgrading and building. Nice! I will edit the 2.

 

[TaShadan]

The Guide unit has a hero model and therefore it has hero glow and no decay animation.
I think you should use the Ballista model hidden in the editor instead of the Night elve Glaive thrower. A Ballista fits more to High Elve (or you use the one from the Scars of Conflict model pack).

This skin might fit the Highelve archer (the standard one has very low quality) http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/..._by67chrome-blp-172440/?prev=d=list&r=20&c=75
and this one might fit the Spellbreaker, because right now he looks like a Bloodelf
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...-156655/?prev=search=spellbreaker&d=list&r=20
This model might be a good replacement for the Dragonhawk
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/pegasus-rider-187614/?prev=c=9&r=20&d=list&page=6
This guy instead of the bugged guide?
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...-sorcerer-152600/?prev=c=9&r=20&d=list&page=9

I just realized that the winning conditions are missing?

Is it intended that Highelve only has one weak air unit?

 

[Wa666r]

The Guide unit has a hero model and therefore it has hero glow and no decay animation.
I think you should use the Ballista model hidden in the editor instead of the Night elve Glaive thrower. A Ballista fits more to High Elve (or you use the one from the Scars of Conflict model pack).

This skin might fit the Highelve archer (the standard one has very low quality) http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/..._by67chrome-blp-172440/?prev=d=list&r=20&c=75
and this one might fit the Spellbreaker, because right now he looks like a Bloodelf
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...-156655/?prev=search=spellbreaker&d=list&r=20
This model might be a good replacement for the Dragonhawk
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/pegasus-rider-187614/?prev=c=9&r=20&d=list&page=6
This guy instead of the bugged guide?
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...-sorcerer-152600/?prev=c=9&r=20&d=list&page=9

I just realized that the winning conditions are missing?

Is it intended that Highelve only has one weak air unit?

Well I find that the Guide's model fits that unit type perfectly. Except for the glow. One of the things I look for when making a new race is not to make the file size to large. Because of this i try to make use of as many natural models as I can, and still make it fit and look good.

The Pegasus doesn't really fit in -mainly because I have never seen them in the lore.

Oh snap, I gotta fix that. Yea, the weak air unit is intentional (but not the weak part, its suppose to be medium strength)... and because there aren't any other high elven air models.

 

[Renly Baratheon]

You should try putting your races together.

 

[Ujimasa Hojo]

It's nice to see Sinister X's High Elf buildings being put into good use.

 

[aple]

This is not a bad map, but that is all it is at most. Just not bad.

It has some great concepts, but it's really buggy. I feel like it's a pretty unique race, though.

3.5/5.

 

[Wa666r]

This is not a bad map, but that is all it is at most. Just not bad.

It has some great concepts, but it's really buggy. I feel like it's a pretty unique race, though.

3.5/5.

Well what would you propose to make it better? I'd love to hear something that can make my future races be better than "not bad."

 

[Kyrbi0]

Very cool to see peeps still updating their works.

 

[Wa666r]

Very cool to see peeps still updating their works.

Yup! I only like to update when it's a big update though.

 

[Yrk]

Hmmm, High Elves :|

 

[Wa666r]

Hmmm, High Elves :|

What about them?...

 

[rcshaggy]

Why is there a Blood Mage in a High Elf map?
Would make sense for a High Mage or a Sun Mage.

 

[Wa666r]

Why is there a Blood Mage in a High Elf map?
Would make sense for a High Mage or a Sun Mage.

There is no Blood Mage. There is the Heliomancer, which is a Sun Mage

 

[rcshaggy]

There is no Blood Mage. There is the Heliomancer, which is a Sun Mage

Do you want it to look more High Elfish than a Blood Elf?

 

[Wa666r]

Do you want it to look more High Elfish than a Blood Elf?

I think I looks "High Elvish" enough. I mean, aside from the red and blue color differences, the two are not that distinct on physical attributes.

 

[CY The UnGodly]

The game seems to crash at the middle of the game whenever I play this map.... idk why though...

 

[Wa666r]

The game seems to crash at the middle of the game whenever I play this map.... idk why though...

Hmm now that is a fairly big issue. I'll look into it, maybe there's some sort of trigger error.

 

[CY The UnGodly]

lol the time of day and night is going too fast lol what's happening??? D:

 

[Wa666r]

lol the time of day and night is going too fast lol what's happening??? D:

Oh for the love of god! D: I forgot to take that off after I fixed the Strength of the Sun. That will be fixed immediately.

Edit: Fixed

 

[Yrk]

What about them?...

Nothing

Could you make Burning Legion?

 

[Sunreaver]

Good now i can play this map with peace

 

[XicorD]

I don't know, this has never happened to me before... When I started playing the game zoomed... I don't know how to explain it so here's an screenshot:

Spoiler

(yes, I was cheating, I'm so badass)

 

[Sunreaver]

Yeah i also have it and it zoom so small and i got angry

 

[Wa666r]

Yeah i also have it and it zoom so small and i got angry

Fixed. It was a trigger I had forgot to turn off during testing.

 

[XicorD]

Fixed. It was a trigger I had forgot to turn off during testing.

So I just download it again and I play it? Anyway... I've been playing your dark iron clan faction and it's AWESOME! Dude, you should make a map with all thy factions

 

[Wa666r]

So I just download it again and I play it? Anyway... I've been playing your dark iron clan faction and it's AWESOME! Dude, you should make a map with all thy factions

Yea, sorry about that. Kinda ironic that I look for errors but make my own in the process. Glad you enjoy the Dark Iron Clan.
As I have stated before: making all the factions into one map would incur multiple issues e.g. large filesize, long process, and very boring for me.

 

[XicorD]

Yea, sorry about that. Kinda ironic that I look for errors but make my own in the process. Glad you enjoy the Dark Iron Clan.
As I have stated before: making all the factions into one map would incur multiple issues e.g. large filesize, long process, and very boring for me.

I see... Aaaand... are you going to make more of these really cool factions?

 

[Wa666r]

I see... Aaaand... are you going to make more of these really cool factions?

Yes, I have quite a few planned.