War's Legacy v1.60 (Kul Tiran)

[Percival Armen]

More than worthy spiritual successor of good ol' Ultimate Battle. Can't wait to see more stuff over time.

 

[Kotol]

It's great that you added the encyclopedia to the main menu. I really liked it.

The Tauren faction which you created recently, is not included in the list of factions yet to be added.

 

[AMarkov]

Cool project — epic scale, great quality, and non-trivial ideas! I’m really inspired by it!

How did you create unique textures for the buildings of each race?

 

[Wa666r]

Very nice mod! looking forward for more factions, the older mod had 32 factions?
I also try to add Random Building, Random Units but the computer AI cant use the abilites, cant build building from other factions, possible to do it for them?, if you can show an example what to add to a trigger?

I no longer touch the older one. I dont know what you're asking.

The older mod (Ultimate Battle) had 32 factions because some of them are not made by @Wa666r, and the most of the factions which made by @Wa666r were outdated.

I really want to see custom tavern heroes, custom neutral creeps with new abilities and custom neutral items.

Eventually, new tavern heroes.

Cool project — epic scale, great quality, and non-trivial ideas! I’m really inspired by it!

How did you create unique textures for the buildings of each race?

Glad you like 'em. Ground textures you mean? The ubersplats.

 

[TauroFW]

I've admired your work for a long time, thank you. I have only one question left. Why do you compress the general package with ZIP instead of 7-zip? Your entire package, which weighs 1.9gb in 7-zip compression, weighs only 186.3mb, which is actually 10 times less, i.e. almost a little more than one map. This will make it easier to download, and reduce the load on the server, and it will become much easier to store them.

 

[Wa666r]

I've admired your work for a long time, thank you. I have only one question left. Why do you compress the general package with ZIP instead of 7-zip? Your entire package, which weighs 1.9gb in 7-zip compression, weighs only 186.3mb, which is actually 10 times less, i.e. almost a little more than one map. This will make it easier to download, and reduce the load on the server, and it will become much easier to store them.

Oh, I have no control on how its compressed. When you open up a single map is it still 170ish mb?

 

[Ravager16829]

Haven't been playing custom race mod just yet, but would be great to port your newly created factions, Kul Tiran and Tauren, to this mod in the future.

 

[Wa666r]

Haven't been playing custom race mod just yet, but would be great to port your newly created factions, Kul Tiran and Tauren, to this mod in the future.

Eventually, if the performance can stabilize.

 

[TauroFW]

Oh, I have no control on how its compressed. When you open up a single map is it still 170ish mb?

Of course, it's just a simple archiver. And it's free, too. But it's all about its algorithm. It compresses identical files once. And then it compresses the differences separately. That's why it's so small. In other words, it compresses everything you add once, if it's the same in all maps. And then it compresses only the differences. When unpacking, the opposite happens, and the maps return to their original condition. I've been using it for over 10 years. I've never seen any glitches. For me, it's also useful because it compresses game ROMs from old consoles quite well. It helps save space on disks without inflating collections too big.
P.S. The only thing is, it only works with the original 7-zip archiver. Any other archiver where the 7z format is an option rather than the default won't compress it; it will compress each file separately, and as a result, you won't get the same size. Original - 7-Zip

 

[Wa666r]

Of course, it's just a simple archiver. And it's free, too. But it's all about its algorithm. It compresses identical files once. And then it compresses the differences separately. That's why it's so small. In other words, it compresses everything you add once, if it's the same in all maps. And then it compresses only the differences. When unpacking, the opposite happens, and the maps return to their original condition. I've been using it for over 10 years. I've never seen any glitches. For me, it's also useful because it compresses game ROMs from old consoles quite well. It helps save space on disks without inflating collections too big.
P.S. The only thing is, it only works with the original 7-zip archiver. Any other archiver where the 7z format is an option rather than the default won't compress it; it will compress each file separately, and as a result, you won't get the same size. Original - 7-Zip

Then the issue stands when uncompressed as a single map would still be 170 mb, making playing it on multiplayer quite the hassle. As for the "zipped" file when you click "download" I have no control over that, thats something the site owners do. I suggest just scrolling down and clicking on individual maps you'd want to play at instead of downloading all at once for the 2GB.

 

[TauroFW]

Then the issue stands when uncompressed as a single map would still be 170 mb, making playing it on multiplayer quite the hassle. As for the "zipped" file when you click "download" I have no control over that, thats something the site owners do. I suggest just scrolling down and clicking on individual maps you'd want to play at instead of downloading all at once for the 2GB.

Yes, you're right. This only applies to the archived file. The unzipped map remains the same. I see. Thanks for your reply. I thought you were compressing it yourself. But it seems there's a script for that on the website. Thanks again for your maps. I'm really into the new factions in Warcraft 3, and yours are essentially some of the best, if not the best.

 

[Esattamente]

Hello, can you please tell me about the problem? I'm installing maps, but they don't appear in the game itself. I've already tried everything. How can I install this creation correctly?

 

[Ravager16829]

Hello, can you please tell me about the problem? I'm installing maps, but they don't appear in the game itself. I've already tried everything. How can I install this creation correctly?

What game version you are using? You need the latest Battle.net patch (2.0.3.23175). This mod only works with that version.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Read that you have worked hard to optimize and have rewritten many spells in JASS, so I decided to try again on the latest v1.55 version.
Still faced lags and nearly freezes. Maybe it's due to AI path issues or specifics of the Qiraji race, dunno.
Anyway, share my showcase with you, @Wa666r

 

[Kotol]

Read that you have worked hard to optimize and have rewritten many spells in JASS, so I decided to try again on the latest v1.55 version.
Still faced lags and nearly freezes. Maybe it's due to AI path issues or specifics of the Qiraji race, dunno.
Anyway, share my showcase with you, @Wa666r

Make sure the Computer's race is not set to Night Elf. (Even if you wish to face Night Elf opponents, selecting them can cause non-Night Elf AIs to malfunction.)

As the author explained, I think you're experiencing lags and freezing due to adding the Night Elf race as a computer race. I suggest you try again the map without using the Night Elf race.

 

[Ravager16829]

Read that you have worked hard to optimize and have rewritten many spells in JASS, so I decided to try again on the latest v1.55 version.
Still faced lags and nearly freezes. Maybe it's due to AI path issues or specifics of the Qiraji race, dunno.
Anyway, share my showcase with you, @Wa666r

There's a disclaimer regarding "how to play" this mod, per Kotol's post - has been like that for the other custom race maps.

Another possible reason is the game engine. The latest patch is still prone to the low performance, even if you have high-end systems. It gets pretty much worse if you have Reforged graphics turned on or you are playing with more players.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Make sure the Computer's race is not set to Night Elf. (Even if you wish to face Night Elf opponents, selecting them can cause non-Night Elf AIs to malfunction.)

As the author explained, I think you're experiencing lags and freezing due to adding the Night Elf race as a computer race. I suggest you try again the map without using the Night Elf race.

There's a disclaimer regarding "how to play" this mod, per Kotol's post - has been like that for the other custom race maps.

Another possible reason is the game engine. The latest patch is still prone to the low performance, even if you have high-end systems. It gets pretty much worse if you have Reforged graphics turned on or you are playing with more players.

But I didn't place any "Night Elf" in the lobby. And only the Night Elf player was randomly rolled by in-game race choice.

It may be a Reforged-related issue (in terms of internal logic, not graphics — I played on Classic SD graphics), but I still think the core problem lies with the Silithid/Qiraji race.
Yet I may be wrong, since I had another playtest with AI (no Night Elves for now), and got slight lag when played against Void Elf...
Dunno, @Wa666r

 

[Ravager16829]

But I didn't place any "Night Elf" in the lobby. And only the Night Elf player was randomly rolled by in-game race choice.

Yep. You could set the specific players in the game lobby to be either Human, Orc, or Undead. No Night Elf or Random. And check if the issue persists.

Btw, all custom race maps or altered melee with custom AI scripts tend to bug if you play with Night Elves. And NE AI is sometimes completely broken on certain altered melee maps (they only harvest wood and no gold, while only building Moon Well).

It may be a Reforged-related issue (in terms of internal logic, not graphics — I played on Classic SD graphics), but I still think the core problem lies with the Silithid/Qiraji race.

It's not Reforged-related issue. It's the same issue that has been like that for decades, particularly AI optimization.

Maps that are island-based are well-known for causing this tremendous performance drops. The game's AI isn't well optimized to handle those maps due to the AI pathfinding or decision-making-loop issues.

 

[Wa666r]

Read that you have worked hard to optimize and have rewritten many spells in JASS, so I decided to try again on the latest v1.55 version.
Still faced lags and nearly freezes. Maybe it's due to AI path issues or specifics of the Qiraji race, dunno.
Anyway, share my showcase with you, @Wa666r

Thanks for the vid and all. Its still a ways away from being optimal, even then. I don't know. I'm out of my depths at this point with how to optimize it. Not sure I should even be adding more races.

 

[xTigershark]

Is it possible to put on 24 players map? for example i added a map: the 1st is default, the 2nd one i did all random stuff (random workers, random units, random heroes, random buildings)

 

[Ravager16829]

Is it possible to put on 24 players map? for example i added a map: the 1st is default, the 2nd one i did all random stuff (random workers, random units, random heroes, random buildings)

Porting the custom race into 24p map is extremely difficult, especially with the lack of game engine's proper optimization for the 24p games.

 

[Khoa]

I wish I had a chance to feedback all the bugs. However, I have to admit this map is absolutely outstanding. I try every races against Players and AI, and it still highly recommend to master those individually. I gave compliments of this map before but I forgot to rate this, so I would like to reach out.Undead type race are in the minority. Tbh, I can wait no longer to see Forsaken (Undead is my fav).

 

[mindzin]

"I'd like to clear up a doubt. I only have access to version 2.0.1.22498 of Warcraft 3 Reforged, and it seems that the map doesn't work. I really want to play this map, so is there any version of it that will work with the version I have installed?"

 

[Wa666r]

I wish I had a chance to feedback all the bugs. However, I have to admit this map is absolutely outstanding. I try every races against Players and AI, and it still highly recommend to master those individually. I gave compliments of this map before but I forgot to rate this, so I would like to reach out.Undead type race are in the minority. Tbh, I can wait no longer to see Forsaken (Undead is my fav).

Thanks for playing, I am glad you enjoyed them. Forsaken will arrive eventually.

"I'd like to clear up a doubt. I only have access to version 2.0.1.22498 of Warcraft 3 Reforged, and it seems that the map doesn't work. I really want to play this map, so is there any version of it that will work with the version I have installed?"

Its best to use the latest version of wc3 to play this. There are no earlier versions.

 

[Ravager16829]

"I'd like to clear up a doubt. I only have access to version 2.0.1.22498 of Warcraft 3 Reforged, and it seems that the map doesn't work. I really want to play this map, so is there any version of it that will work with the version I have installed?"

What Wa666r said. Buy the game (you can't even redeem your old Warcraft 3 key anymore) and don't use the older versions.

We don't even allow piracy contents to be posted in this forum.

 

[Kotol]

I was going to check the Felblood Elves race mechanics and I found a typo in the "Playable Factions" menu. FELBOOD ELVES.

 

[Wa666r]

I was going to check the Felblood Elves race mechanics and I found a typo in the "Playable Factions" menu. FELBOOD ELVES.

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Jesus Christ... You saw nothing.

 

[435D]

While analyzing some AI Scripts of the maps, I noticed how they did not have the capacity to summon the third hero.

    boolean b_hero1_done        = false
    boolean b_hero2_done        = false

    if c_altar_done >= 1 then
        if b_hero1_done and MeleeDifficulty() != MELEE_NEWBIE then
            call SetBuildUnit(1, hero_id2)
        else
            call SetBuildUnit(1, hero_id)
        endif
    else
        call SetBuildUnit(1, ALTAR)
    endif

I guess you took the orc AI Script as a base, since they left it like that without a third hero.
Although in some others they do have the capacity to summon the third hero (Scarlet Crusade, High Elf and Worgen), I don't know if you did it on purpose so that there are no more problems.

 

[Ravager16829]

While analyzing some AI Scripts of the maps, I noticed how they did not have the capacity to summon the third hero.

    boolean b_hero1_done        = false
    boolean b_hero2_done        = false

    if c_altar_done >= 1 then
        if b_hero1_done and MeleeDifficulty() != MELEE_NEWBIE then
            call SetBuildUnit(1, hero_id2)
        else
            call SetBuildUnit(1, hero_id)
        endif
    else
        call SetBuildUnit(1, ALTAR)
    endif

I guess you took the orc AI Script as a base, since they left it like that without a third hero.
Although in some others they do have the capacity to summon the third hero (Scarlet Crusade, High Elf and Worgen), I don't know if you did it on purpose so that there are no more problems.

Night Elf AI sometimes trains 3rd hero, but in most occasions, they are stuck with only 2 heroes based on the default AI script. That's quite weird since it's not recommended to play as Night Elf with this mod due to the bug.

One can manually fix this "AI 3rd hero bug" by yourself. Take a look of this thread:

[Solved] - ORC Melee AI doesn't train 3rd hero?

I never find 3rd hero of ORC when it is controlled by computer melee AI. How to solve this?

www.hiveworkshop.com

 

[YinYashua]

Hello, the maps aren't appearing in my Warcraft (Yes they are in the right folders, Documents/Maps and the Warcraft III/Maps

 

[Ravager16829]

Hello, the maps aren't appearing in my Warcraft (Yes they are in the right folders, Documents/Maps and the Warcraft III/Maps

That problem likely means you aren't using the latest Warcraft 3 patch.

Make sure your game copy is legit. You can get this through Battle.net.

 

[williamj]

I hope you add the Dalaran race someday; they were one of my favorites! Well, it'll happen little by little, but at least I'm glad to have an update on this project, which I've been playing since I was 12! Thank you so much!

 

[Ravager16829]

I hope you add the Dalaran race someday; they were one of my favorites! Well, it'll happen little by little, but at least I'm glad to have an update on this project, which I've been playing since I was 12! Thank you so much!

I didn't played this custom race just yet, but would be great to also include the new Tauren and Kirin Tor races.

(Btw, I translated your post because non-English one isn't allowed here in this forum)

 

[TheVoidSlayer]

gasp

You live!

If seriously, though, should we expect the remaining factions anytime soon? A month, two months, or six months?

I'm not forcing you, just asking. So that people don't keep asking when the update will be released. (I'm still waiting for Nazi Forsaken)

 

[jardasplay]

Honestly the peakest of peaks. So much work went into this that from all that sitting, my neck hurts for you.

Thank you man, it's truly spectacular work.

 

[Wa666r]

I hope you add the Dalaran race someday; they were one of my favorites! Well, it'll happen little by little, but at least I'm glad to have an update on this project, which I've been playing since I was 12! Thank you so much!

Glad you like 'em. Dalaran are already in the game, they're renamed to Kirin Tor.

gasp

You live!

If seriously, though, should we expect the remaining factions anytime soon? A month, two months, or six months?

I'm not forcing you, just asking. So that people don't keep asking when the update will be released. (I'm still waiting for Nazi Forsaken)

I live once more. Not sure when. Depends on how busy I get. But I wont be adding High Elf Remnants nor the Lost Ones. And the other factions, Forsaken, Tauren, Kul Tiras will have reworked icons same as the 1.56 update.

Honestly the peakest of peaks. So much work went into this that from all that sitting, my neck hurts for you.

Thank you man, it's truly spectacular work.

Thank you. Glad you enjoy it.

 

[Kotol]

Glad you like 'em. Dalaran are already in the game, they're renamed to Kirin Tor.



I live once more. Not sure when. Depends on how busy I get. But I wont be adding High Elf Remnants nor the Lost Ones. And the other factions, Forsaken, Tauren, Kul Tiras will have reworked icons same as the 1.56 update.



Thank you. Glad you enjoy it.

Any news on Zandalari Trolls ? Are you going to add them in WL too ?

 

[Wa666r]

Any news on Zandalari Trolls ? Are you going to add them in WL too ?

No progress has been made. I would like to. I'm not too sure how much more races WL can handle.

 

[TheVoidSlayer]

I live once more. Not sure when. Depends on how busy I get. But I wont be adding High Elf Remnants nor the Lost Ones. And the other factions, Forsaken, Tauren, Kul Tiras will have reworked icons same as the 1.56 update.

It doesn't matter to me what they will be like, whether they are from your separate card but with a redesign or copied from the campaign. The important thing is that they simply exist in WL

 

[435D]

I live once more. Not sure when. Depends on how busy I get. But I wont be adding High Elf Remnants nor the Lost Ones. And the other factions, Forsaken, Tauren, Kul Tiras will have reworked icons same as the 1.56 update.

I can understand with the HER because it's a collab work; the units have their own imported dialogues, and it would be a hassle to apply AI to them.

It's a shame the Lost Ones don't get any kind of revamp, but there's not much you can do with that race (and there aren't really any compelling resources for them either).

 

[Wa666r]

It doesn't matter to me what they will be like, whether they are from your separate card but with a redesign or copied from the campaign. The important thing is that they simply exist in WL

They'll exist eventually. Slowly but surely.

I can understand with the HER because it's a collab work; the units have their own imported dialogues, and it would be a hassle to apply AI to them.

It's a shame the Lost Ones don't get any kind of revamp, but there's not much you can do with that race (and there aren't really any compelling resources for them either).

Yeah, the voice files are the main issue. Not only because it replaces voicelines, but the file size is huge for voicelines.

If the Lost Ones had models that didn't all share the same animation, I'd be more willing to revamp them.

But I'm more excited to work on a new faction rather than a revamp. With the Felblood rework I'm pretty happy with all the factions in WL. I'll still go and update the factions here and there. Wildhammer Clan I want to have a custom UI element to activate their rage mechanic globally for example.

 

[EdgarSIP]

been liking this maps since Ultimate Battle with mpqs but not anymore now you can mod anything amazing as always wa666r

 

[Wa666r]

been liking this maps since Ultimate Battle with mpqs but not anymore now you can mod anything amazing as always wa666r

Glad you enjoy the project.

 

[435D]

I may be picky, but two models do not match their respective icons.

They use their previous models as a base for some reason.

 

[Wa666r]

I may be picky, but two models do not match their respective icons.


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They use their previous models as a base for some reason.

True.

 

[Percival Armen]

Another faction done, one last.... to go...?? I dunno, the remaining factions just went poof from the descriptions so I take it the High Elf Remnants will be added as last or the Tauren and Kul Tiran as well some day?

 

[Wa666r]

Another faction done, one last.... to go...?? I dunno, the remaining factions just went poof from the descriptions so I take it the High Elf Remnants will be added as last or the Tauren and Kul Tiran as well some day?

High Elf Remnants wont be added. The other two will.

 

[Percival Armen]

High Elf Remnants wont be added. The other two will.

Why not, may I ask?

 

[Kotol]

Why not, may I ask?

1. Voice files are the main issue.

2. Even if using vanilla Warcraft III voice files, this is "what if" faction. We already have High Elves faction.

3. The optimization problem due to 20+ factions.

 

[Percival Armen]

1. Voice files are the main issue.

2. Even if using vanilla Warcraft III voice files, this is "what if" faction. We already have High Elves faction.

3. The optimization problem due to 20+ factions.

Ah, got it, mate.

Thanks for the detailed reply.