WARCRAFT III: REFORGED PATCH NOTES

[Strydhaizer]

negative rep me, I don't care.

That won't be necessary, most people feel the same.

 

[deepstrasz]

That won't be necessary, most people feels the same.

Instead, you will get no rep.

 

[Bribe]

I downloaded 30GB of this game to my Mac this morning which turned out to be a fucking waste of time as the performance is absolute dogshit even with everything at the lowest settings, and there is still no World Editor support on Mac.

So I downloaded the 30GB again onto my Windows PC, just with the notion of running it in Classic and use the World Editor. World Editor works, but I can't launch the game...

 

[Power107]

I halted until now to comment anything on Reforged, negative related. But HAVING to download THE GAME which I DON't even OWN... WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK BLIZZARD?!

negative rep me, I don't care. Having said that was fucking worth it. FUCK YOU Blizzard. I was going to actually buy the game, but having it forced this way? fuck off.

I am gonna positive rep you for that because you are protesting against an unethical company which fires over 800 employees and promises us a remastered game but gave us a mess with ugly graphics and charged $30 for that.
Your intention is good so Emmanuel Kant will say your use of F word is ethical.

 

[deepstrasz]

Rewrite the Game, Become Masters of our own Destiny

 

[knight26]

@Ralle bro, please SHUT DOWN THW for 24h with a message that we're boycotting Blizzfuck. This is unacceptable. I feel so enraged. I play war3 since 7 fucking years old. this is NOT acceptable.

 

[Ardenaso]

I halted until now to comment anything on Reforged, negative related. But HAVING to download THE GAME which I DON't even OWN... WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK BLIZZARD?!

negative rep me, I don't care. Having said that was fucking worth it. FUCK YOU Blizzard. I was going to actually buy the game, but having it forced this way? fuck off.

Oh my god. I just read that the main and absolute feature why I even bother to play wc3, are custom made campaigns, and they are locked out? Double fuck u.

how do you even negative rep someone? or is that a mod only thing?

 

[Trill]

@Ralle bro, please SHUT DOWN THW for 24h with a message that we're boycotting Blizzfuck. This is unacceptable. I feel so enraged. I play war3 since 7 fucking years old. this is NOT acceptable.

Why would Blizzard care whether or not THW is up or down?

 

[deepstrasz]

@Ralle bro, please SHUT DOWN THW for 24h with a message that we're boycotting Blizzfuck. This is unacceptable. I feel so enraged. I play war3 since 7 fucking years old. this is NOT acceptable.

Yeah, that way, maybe I'll actually study something, lol.

 

[Venombite]

So how do I start Classic now? I don't have Reforged, and when I try to play through Battle.net it just says error! I can't even play classic xD
The wierdest thing is that I can start the editor, and open any Reforged maps, even the three redone Campaign maps with all Reforged assets, and the editor works just fine, apart from the fact that I can't start the acctual game.

 

[Kazeon]

I halted until now to comment anything on Reforged, negative related.

Agreed. I tried to stay positive about Reforged all this time, siding, and being supportive for blizz. But it's just impossible to stay that way at this point. I can't deny I'm a big fan of the graphical improvement, but after some reading around, it appears to me that they are at the motion of tearing the community apart, the community that unconditionally kept the game alive, all for cash grabbing. Never for one bit I thought about this in my entire life since I loved everything about blizz but, this is disgusting.

 

[georgo]

So how do I start Classic now? I don't have Reforged, and when I try to play through Battle.net it just says error! I can't even play classic xD
The wierdest thing is that I can start the editor, and open any Reforged maps, even the three redone Campaign maps with all Reforged assets, and the editor works just fine, apart from the fact that I can't start the acctual game.

Classic version is gone forever. You have to download whole reforged client to play now. (Great work blizz)

 

[Trill]

Okay, are there any games with decent editors that are easy to mod, which allow custom assets, and have something like GUI triggers?
(my first thought was to use something like Elder Scrolls Creation Kit, but TES games don't allow multiplayer without some serious shennanigans)

 

[Venombite]

Classic version is gone forever. You have to download whole reforged client to play now. (Great work blizz)

Yeah, yeah I did that already, and it won't start, it only says an error occured(can't even play in SD). Could it be my Computer?

 

[MasterBlaster]

Question to people who have this mess - is it just me or the further you go into campaigns, the more similar to the original it becomes? I'm asking, because I'm finishing the undead campaign and damn - while there were indeed some new animations, camera angles and pretty nice cutscenes especially in the human campaign, I'm not really noticing a lot of "reforging" in the undead one. That is, of course, besides the remade Silvermoon mission.

 

[YourArthas]

Question to people who have this mess - is it just me or the further you go into campaigns, the more similar to the original it becomes? I'm asking, because I'm finishing the undead campaign and damn - while there were indeed some new animations, camera angles and pretty nice cutscenes especially in the human campaign, I'm not really noticing a lot of "reforging" in the undead one. That is, of course, besides the remade Silvermoon mission.

TLDR; Only Human campaign and Silvermoon has noticeable differences others are all the same

 

[xorkatoss]

I started downloading today at 1:41 PM and now it's 7:37 PM and I currently have left:

Spoiler: Downloading...

God this is awful >_<

also my map icons changed to this:

which I think is bad because for tft they use to be blue =/

 

[Firsk]

I don't mind Reforged as a game.
I don't have it.
But I do mind, that we're forced to upgrade Wc3, instead of keeping the new garbage on it's own.
I do mind, the blocking of details.
Shadows off, because I don't own Reforged.
Other things off, because I don't own Reforged.

As always, Blizzard goes full "moneygrab" by locking down earlier games with new paywalls.
If they keep this idiotic idea, I will be forced to download a version of the earlier, not ruined wc3 from another source.
And I will be forced to remove Blizzard content from my computer (client etc).

I'm sick and tired of every game Blizzard releases, because you will eventually be forced to pay even more.
(lets ignore the fact that Classic WoW should be without subscription)

 

[georgo]

Yeah, yeah I did that already, and it won't start, it only says an error occured(can't even play in SD). Could it be my Computer?

You have to start it from battle.net app. Works for me.

 

[Lt_Hawkeye]

I'm from the Third World Country. .

You have to redeem your cd key to your battle.net acccount.

 

[deepstrasz]

You have to

call Jorn the Redeemer for that
Random hero

 

[Venombite]

You have to start it from battle.net app. Works for me.

Not for me , and my PC supports Reforged system requirements.

You have to redeem your cd key to your battle.net acccount.

How do you do that?

 

[Duke]

Just to have some laughs - the reforged version of Arthas vs Illidan is totaly ridiculous:

 

[Anaxie]

Question to people who have this mess - is it just me or the further you go into campaigns, the more similar to the original it becomes? I'm asking, because I'm finishing the undead campaign and damn - while there were indeed some new animations, camera angles and pretty nice cutscenes especially in the human campaign, I'm not really noticing a lot of "reforging" in the undead one. That is, of course, besides the remade Silvermoon mission.

I'm noticing the its SIGNIFICANTLY EASIER or they just flat out remove enemies or shower you with additional resources or extra workers.

no one asked for this.

 

[MasterBlaster]

I'm noticing the its SIGNIFICANTLY EASIER

I already spoke about this in my initial impressions shortly after launch - I found normal difficulty in Classic very enjoyable for my skill level, so I've started with that in Reforged and... I had to switch to hard, because it was just too easy. Now, I'm enjoying hard right now, though there are moments where even I feel that it's too easy.

BUT... I really don't envy people who enjoyed hard difficulty in Classic, because that's basically unavailable in Reforged.

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And the worst part is - I don't understand why they did this... The original Warcraft 3 campaigns were not particularly difficult on normal, but I guess that they could have been too much for some folks. Okay. But isn't this the reason why we got "story mode" difficulty? And the checkpoints... I like them, but at the end of the day they're also in a way a difficulty nerf as they allow you to replay any tough spot easily.

Between these two changes, I believe casual players would have been more than fine, but nope... they had to go ahead and nerf the living hell out of the campaigns just to make sure that even the braindead can complete them. sigh.

 

[Anachron]

I'm noticing the its SIGNIFICANTLY EASIER or they just flat out remove enemies or shower you with additional resources or extra workers.

no one asked for this.

Yeah you know why that is? Because the new testers are bad at this game. The more often you test your missions and modify things the easier it will be for you so naturally you as developer increase the difficulty.

The new testers probably complained because they didnt spend enough time testing because the time has been cut so you end up with crappy easy campaigns and lacking quality.

 

[Anaxie]

why would you have to change anything in the campaigns combat / base / starting layout if you ARENT remaking the maps anymore? thats the key issue here.

Either way I was moderatly hyped but now hype and any hope for reforge is gone.

This is not Warcraft 3.

 

[Anachron]

Most probably when they started they wanted to tetouch everything but budget got cut and thus work stopped there.

 

[ipe]

Just to have some laughs - the reforged version of Arthas vs Illidan is totaly ridiculous:

I laughed then I cried... Rest in piece wc3.

 

[Retria]

Meh blizzard who was making W3 18 years ago is long time dead, I was playing wow for long time and they added microtransaction there - to game which you bought and paid montly lel.... so no surprise to me that reforged is just cash-grab.

Yet, I was hoping it will be awesome and was preparing custom campaign for reforged without imported models

 

[Power107]

BIG BREAKING NEWS: A POPULAR YOUTUBER BASHING REFORGED+BLIZZ:

 

[Retria]

"they stole your money" said in first minute, well that escalated quicky

 

[MasterBlaster]

Oh my god... they nerfed the Siege of Dalaran mission so damn hard that it's unreal.
- There's no enemy bases, instead of that you get 9 special mages (UNITS) with a tiny escort.
- The force field is so small that once you enter it, you're already fighting the Archmage.
- You get a healing rune after each major engagement.
- You get a lot of really strong creeps as help.
- There's a lot of gold coin drops.
- Enemy attacks are laughable.

I don't want to restart, but I think it's totally possible to beat this mission without not only losing a single unit, but also without even making any units or upgrades.

 

[Trill]

Just to have some laughs - the reforged version of Arthas vs Illidan is totaly ridiculous:

I clicked Play with a thought "Come on, it cannot be worse than absurd childish crap that was in TFT".
I was wrong.

This is by far the cringiest fight scene I have EVER seen. Even counting 90s Adventures of Sinbad series.

 

[Frotty]

And here comes the final beating showing that blizzard should have just let wc3 alone.
Happy that preorder cucks got what they deserve, but that's about it.
Wowie.

So protecting maps is no longer legal I see...
(If I understand it correctly)

I'm pretty sure that's more aimed towards "DLC" in maps where you can buy "activators" to unlock certain heroes which you normally can't pick e.g which is prominent in asian/russian maps.

 

[Venombite]

Oh my god... they nerfed the Siege of Dalaran mission so damn hard that it's unreal.
- There's no enemy bases, only small pockets of resistance within the city.
- The force field is so small that once you enter it, you're already fighting the Archmage.
- You get a healing rune after each major engagement.
- You get a lot of really strong creeps as help.
- Enemy attacks are laughable.

I don't want to restart, but I think it's totally possible to beat this mission without not only losing a single unit, but also without even making any units or upgrades.

But you get a new quest!!! The only new quest in the whole game

Spoiler

From what I've seen in the editor, all TfT chapters are exactely the same.

 

[Drake]

And here comes the final beating showing that blizzard should have just let wc3 alone.
Happy that preorder cucks got what they deserve, but that's about it.
Wowie.



I'm pretty sure that's more aimed towards "DLC" in maps where you can buy "activators" to unlock certain heroes which you normally can't pick e.g which is prominent in asian/russian maps.

- That is aimed at blacklisting users.

 

[Devalut]

 

[Himperion]

Maybe it's a game journalist inclusive dificulty, everyone knows they're kind of specially bad at playing games.

Just Saying... The Truth!

 

[FeelsGoodMan]

 

[MasterBlaster]

Hahahahahaha, I've actually lost the last undead mission with 1 second remaining I have to say, the final surprise attack is quite funny

Spoiler

They came at me with like 5-6 Archmages that all cast Blizzard on me at the same time lol

 

[Chaosy]

Yikes. People really love to hate, huh?

Blizzard has been slow with fixing their shit in terms of classic wc3 patches, wont deny that. But if I purely judge reforged:

In terms of game releases there are almost no bugless games on launch day. How about giving them a week before hopping on the hate train.
I am not the most hopeful that everything will be fixed in a week, but expecting a bugless experience on launch day is delusional.

 

[deepstrasz]

How about giving them a week before hopping on the hate train.

How about no? It's been around 2 years since they started working on this graphics pack.

expecting a bugless experience on launch day is delusional.

Ah man, the banana I bought had no banana inside.

 

[Chaosy]

How about no? It's been around 2 years since they started working on this graphics pack.

All games takes years to make and all of them have some amount of bugs.
This is nothing unique to reforged.

Hell, WoW had dozens of issues on their patch last week. Was fixed within the day.

edit: non blizzard example, check out the bugs in Witcher 3 on launch. There are a lot of hilarious footage floating around on youtube. Infamously the horse AI was pretty broken and ran up on top of houses and stuff. And that game won many awards.

 

[Devalut]

 

[Drake53]

Yikes. People really love to hate, huh?

Blizzard has been slow with fixing their shit in terms of classic wc3 patches, wont deny that. But if I purely judge reforged:

In terms of game releases there are almost no bugless games on launch day. How about giving them a week before hopping on the hate train.
I am not the most hopeful that everything will be fixed in a week, but expecting a bugless experience on launch day is delusional.

There are plenty of reasons to hate this patch though. For me personally, the most important one is that with this new bloated reforged client, my RAM usage when simply going to the main menu screen is already over 3GB, and I only have 4GB on my laptop. The only way to 'fix' this is to give us back the TFT client. They will not do this, so why would I wait one week to start hating.

 

[deepstrasz]

All games takes years to make and all of them have some amount of bugs.
This is nothing unique to reforged.

It is since they had more than the basis to work upon.

Hell, WoW had dozens of issues on their patch last week. Was fixed within the day.

No excuse.
I understand there might be some bugs and stuff but that's why PTR exist before release.
With Reforged, they've had loads of feedback.

edit: non blizzard example, check out the bugs in Witcher 3 on launch. There are a lot of hilarious footage floating around on youtube. Infamously the horse AI was pretty broken and ran up on top of houses and stuff. And that game won many awards.

That's not gamebreaking.

 

[DracoL1ch]

Just to have some laughs - the reforged version of Arthas vs Illidan is totaly ridiculous:

are you sure you remember how it looked like on the game engine? I have no issues with that video, except for logical issues. overall it's an improvement.

 

[Razorclaw_X]

Yikes. People really love to hate, huh?

Blizzard has been slow with fixing their shit in terms of classic wc3 patches, wont deny that. But if I purely judge reforged:

In terms of game releases there are almost no bugless games on launch day. How about giving them a week before hopping on the hate train.
I am not the most hopeful that everything will be fixed in a week, but expecting a bugless experience on launch day is delusional.

If your main play mode was removed upon release of the patch without notification you would not be saying this.

Six months ago it was Arranged Team players. Now it's Custom Campaigns. Just because you wanted to play the Blizzard Single Player campaign and are a happy clam doesn't mean everything is working honky dory.

 

[Chaosy]

There are plenty of reasons to hate this patch though. For me personally, the most important one is that with this new bloated reforged client, my RAM usage when simply going to the main menu screen is already over 3GB, and I only have 4GB on my laptop. The only way to 'fix' this is to give us back the TFT client. They will not do this, so why would I wait one week to start hating.

So you are flaming Blizzard because you are literary running on the minimum specified requirements? and then being surprised that it takes up a decent chunk performance wise.
Then I shouldd be made at Dice because I cannot play the newest battlefield on my toaster

It is since they had more than the basis to work upon.

Working with legacy code is worse than doing it from scratch, ask any programmer. They will agree.

No excuse.
I understand there might be some bugs and stuff but that's why PTR exist before release.
With Reforged, they've had loads of feedback.

Having a PTR does not magically remove issues. Nor does it detect all of them.
They already delayed the game once, which is more than many other companies would have done.
If they delayed it again there would be another shit show on the internet, so they picked their poison I guess.

That's not gamebreaking.

People complain about lightning (among maaaany other nitpicks), most of which are far from gamebreaking.
And it is your main way of getting around, it is not gamebreaking - true. But it does handicap you severly.