Warcraft III Reforged - Artistic/Textures/UI Feedback

[Sieben]

Yeah, half-naked chicks are such a cliché in video games/fantasy worlds. Armours that look like bras protect nothing and look really ridiculous and unrealistic.

Most of these are wow designs and wow (especially WOLTK) is like what? 10-15 years after ROC? lol.

A few months between RoC and TFT, if I remember correctly. 4 years between TFT and WoW vanilla. WoW came out in 2004, WotlK in 2008. If IRL years count like in-game years, there would be about 8-9 years between TFT and WotlK. But what's your point?

 

[kantarion]

I want face like this...

Its fantastic that with certain anims, she can look like adult woman and with some she look younger - which is lore friendly girly look

 

[_lycan]

Yeah, half-naked chicks are such a cliché in video games/fantasy worlds. Armours that look like bras protect nothing and look really ridiculous and unrealistic.


A few months between RoC and TFT, if I remember correctly. 4 years between TFT and WoW vanilla. WoW came out in 2004, WotlK in 2008. If IRL years count like in-game years, there would be about 8-9 years between TFT and WotlK. But what's your point?

Except that you are wrong the closest to a real timeline there is is:
Timeline (unofficial)

And according to that it is 9 (start) to 11 (death of the lich king) years. And that's not even when Jaina gets white hair, that happens much later.

 

[_lycan]

I want face like this...

Looks bad and out of character with warcraft 3, completely different art style to either wc3 or reforged.

She doesn't even look like Jaina to begin with.

 

[kantarion]

Looks bad and out of character with warcraft 3, completely different art style to either wc3 or reforged.

She doesn't even look like Jaina to begin with.

1 picture is 1000 words, i described how i personally want her to be.

You said shes completly different, and thats it yo ?

Give reasons, tell why , not shooting around cause it sounds like a nonsense without providing any argument ?

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[_lycan]

1 picture is 1000 words, i described how i personally want her to be.

You said shes completly different, and thats it yo ?

Give reasons, tell why , not shooting around cause it sounds like a nonsense without providing any argument ?

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Because we have the original Jaina look and her concept art for reign of chaos and it is very different from that, not gonna keep replying cause this is pointless.

 

[ShadowMidas]

I want face like this...

Its fantastic that with certain anims, she can look like adult woman and with some she look younger - which is lore friendly girly look

source?

 

[YourArthas]

Because we have the original Jaina look and her concept art for reign of chaos and it is very different from that, not gonna keep replying cause this is pointless.

Again an epic comment, people can't understand how great the wc3 concepts was and also just look for sexiness. Lol she was like 18 at Reign Of Chaos how can she be that woman looking, I'm saying it as a fan of stylised models but not everything stylised is 'loyal' to Wc3 nor the 'thing that should be'

 

[deepstrasz]

To be fair even in Warcraft III, Jaina looked weird for that age especially dressed like that.

Not to mention Arthas which looked like a buffed 30year old:

 

[kantarion]

Again an epic comment, people can't understand how great the wc3 concepts was and also just look for sexiness. Lol she was like 18 at Reign Of Chaos how can she be that woman looking, I'm saying it as a fan of stylised models but not everything stylised is 'loyal' to Wc3 nor the 'thing that should be'

Dude you want 18 year old teenage girl for Jaina ... She was maybe 16 ? I dont want teenage porn in Reforged, sorry


I want Arthas face from cover, not 20 year old boyy, and i like my sexy adult Jaina Jameson ?

However, we must change a lore 20 year old boyy with 16 teenage girl . Tnx god they never had sex, they would be sued immidiately

Christie, Christie did you learn this in chatolic church ?


ANYONE WHO WANTS UNDERAGE MODELS IN WC3 ?

 

[kantarion]

source?

Hes not going original wc3 style , but i just like this Jaina facer over Hots face model.

Hots model dont have 3d eyes or 3d tooths etc.

 

[YourArthas]

Dude you want 18 year old teenage girl for Jaina ... She was maybe 16 ? I dont want teenage porn in Reforged, sorry


I want Arthas face from cover, not 20 year old boyy, and i like my sexy adult Jaina Jameson ?

However, we must change a lore 20 year old boyy with 16 teenage girl . Tnx god they never had sex, they would be sued immidiately

Christie, Christie did you learn this in chatolic church ?


ANYONE WHO WANTS UNDERAGE MODELS IN WC3 ?

Thing you should want is ingame called 'jaina_portrait.mdx'

 

[kantarion]

Thing you should want is ingame called 'jaina_portrait.mdx'

But with certain anims,i mean put this model in wc3 portrait.mdx i think she would look super nice.

But thats my perspective . Anyone else disagreeing with my personal taste is my enemy now

I declare a war !

P.S i joke ofc about many things. Its a troll day for me, but i just rly rly ike that Jaina face for wc3 portrait ...

 

[AlwaysAndForever]

lolz, srsly? if you think this is horny/porny. ;x

Spoiler

 

[deepstrasz]

lolz, srsly? if you think this is horny/porny. ;x

Actually, that's pretty fine. Howver, it goes far from the Warcraft III look.

 

[deepstrasz]

It's realistic, that I think we can beat the wow with this ;d

I wish we could but I don't think they'll consider it.

To be fair, whether the boots are as high or not, it makes little defense difference. Also, hopefully not black, at least let's keep the colours.

 

[Sieben]

Nice edit!
Joke aside, I think this request is too demanding and nitpicky. Jaina's model in Reforged already looks like Jaina's model in the original game, therefore I don't think artists will bother much with changing the way she dresses.
The only thing that bothers me (but it was also in the original Warcraft III) is the piece of cloth/armour Jaina wears on her chest. As I said before, I always found this cloth style ludicrous: why wearing an armour with a huge cleavage and your belly button exposed? This makes no sense, and it gives the impression that it was made only to satisfy horny teenagers. But as Deepstrasz said, I don't think this request will be fulfilled.
Oh, and another thing that I don't like much: her face in Reforged (and in WoW) doesn't look like the one she had in the original Warcraft III. I don't know why Blizzard change their characters' faces every once in a while (see Starcraft and Starcraft 2, for example), it's disturbing.

 

[deepstrasz]

The only thing that bothers me (but it was also in the original Warcraft III) is the piece of cloth/armour Jaina wears on her chest. As I said before, I always found this cloth style ludicrous: why wearing an armour with a huge cleavage and your belly button exposed? This makes no sense, and it gives the impression that it was made only to satisfy horny teenagers.

Probably but possibly because they wanted Dalaran women to have a sort of exaggerated Persian look. Call it a mild Venus-esque representation.

 

[Sieben]

Probably but possibly because they wanted Dalaran women to have a sort of exaggerated Persian look. Call it a mild Venus-esque representation.

Interesting idea! However, even if it's true, it still makes no sense on a battlefield

Look at her cape, is look like behind of anubark ;d

Ahah, hadn't seen it before, but now you say it, I guess you're right
All these three characters have weird capes anyway. They serve no purpose (it's supposed to cover all your body to keep you warm) and are nothing but a difficulty for movements in battle. But well, it's stylised and being realistic is probably not Blizzard's main concern

 

[deepstrasz]

Look at her cape, is look like behind of anubark ;d

Maybe because of the wind blowing in from the front.

Interesting idea! However, even if it's true, it still makes no sense on a battlefield

Since characters don't change clothes (which would've required extra skins and such) it makes some sense.

 

[kantarion]

Guys this jaina is close to wc3 , more than any has been shown here.

Blah,she has musculated stomach - shes doing fitness in Dalaran as her hobbi , while resting from sorcery ?

I would just make that stomach regular and remove ice shard from shoulder pad - cause its directly from dota 2 valve

And if you want we use racial signatures : She is WHITE europian pornstar . Probably Sweden origin

 

[deepstrasz]

Blah,she has musculated stomach - shes doing fitness in Dalaran as her hobbi , while resting from sorcery ?

Exactly my thought

I would just make that stomach regular and remove ice shard from shoulder pad - cause its directly from dota 2 valve

I think that is actually supposed to be the Crystal Maiden.

Also, please use spoiler/hidden tags. The damn picture occupies the whole screen, even more.
But if you really want to see Jaina's workout result, check for the character description in this thread opening:
Arthas Campaign - Orc

 

[YourArthas]

To be honest this one is the best concept I've ever seen, I always aim to get this one's look for the mod's I'm working with

Imgur

 

[deepstrasz]

@kantarion I forgot to mention, what's with those military boots ?

To be honest this one is the best concept I've ever seen, I always aim to get this one's look for the mod's I'm working with

Yeah, lovely actually. Do you have the source? I wonder if there's anything related to Warcraft III-Reforged from that artist.

 

[YourArthas]

@kantarion I forgot to mention, what's with those military boots ?


Yeah, lovely actually. Do you have the source? I wonder if there's anything related to Warcraft III-Reforged from that artist.

I do not personally know him, we talked just in Reforged forums but I think here is his page daniellewhite on DeviantArt

 

[deepstrasz]

I do not personally know him, we talked just in Reforged forums but I think here is his page daniellewhite on DeviantArt

Thank you. Hey, there are other reconcepts too:

Spoiler

@Sieben's right. They need to get it together with the uniqueness of cultural fashion. Elves have their belly visible but why does Jaina also have it? The character is not an elf and the Kirin Tor is not mainly elven.

 

[kantarion]

About boots on every model we saw = they all wrong . Those military one are funny, tnx for pointing

She rly wear powerfull boots in wc3 . And they should be fat just like on wc3, cause shes not a balerine , or photo model.

This one is very nice , from same concept artist from Reforged ( i just wish wc3 boots).
+ She got that girly look everyone wants according to lore

 

[deepstrasz]

This one is very nice , from same concept artist from Reforged

Yeah, @YourArthas linked it earlier.

Proper reforging is possible, look:

 

[kantarion]

Gosh, where you find those stuffs

Btw ye its same concept as YourArthas did, but this one has different and more wc3 close face.

Yourarthas face is close to Nastya Rybka, a russian model escort, related with Oleg Deripaska and Trump etc. I dont want that face for Jaina...

So plz go my face dear Blizzard, the one from before i put in post describing my white europian swede pornstar Jaina. I know you read my posts, thats why i am banned on Reforged forums .

Or go this face i marked as positive.

 

[deepstrasz]

Btw ye its same concept as YourArthas did, but this one has different and more wc3 close face.

Sure looks better. Where'd you rip the face off from?
Also, the Nike sign, green, no?

 

[kantarion]

Sure looks better. Where'd you rip the face off from?
Also, the Nike sign, green, no?

Face of russian escort model is from today news , saw it in our electronic newspapers. I was like hey wtf, i saw this today on hive

Concept art of both sketch is from same auothor of devianart link yourarthas gave

 

[deepstrasz]

Face of russian escort model is from today news , saw it in our electronic newspapers. I was like hey wtf, i saw this today on hive

LoL. Now I get it. What @YourArthas linked was a modified version. The author's original is the one to go with, indeed.

 

[YourArthas]

I'm really shocked that @kantarion can find a pornstar for each and every Jaina concept ever made, he must be really involved in this industry

 

[deepstrasz]

I'm really shocked that @kantarion can find a pornstar for each and every Jaina concept ever made, he must be really involved in this industry

Is that a bad or a good thing?
He even changed sex (avatar).

 

[Kacpa2]

Jaina in BFA is closer to her original style of appearence and resembels herself from her face structure. Hots one not so much, Reign of Chaos machinima is better version of hots model but it is still hots one. ALl models should just be based of orignal wc3 ones and some of the artwork/cover art(like arthas should since his ingame model is a bit less detailed with these weird eyebrows than others that have it textured instead) BFA model of Arthas is much closer to what Arthas should look like in Wc3 remaster, but reforged is throwing it all out of the window together with all work done 16 years ago. Split between ingame cartoony/drawn style and realistic cinematics wasnt due to limitations but several artistic and practical reasons, game is much more readable thanks to it, all units have very well defined animations, stances and sillouttes and are easy to pin point during combat.
By trying to forcefully make it "realistic"(proportions are less realistic than originals with even bigger weapons and other issues), bad animations that are not fitting any of the timings(seen to be incredibly sped up or in other ways wonky during Culling demo) it's destroying that readability and ditching the artstyle and presentation that game has, it's also ditching all weather effects and time of day from wc3 in that mission making it far less impactful, city being crudely redesigned to fit WoW's which is just dumb linear path that is pretending to be a city, instead of BEING a city, which despite not much bigger size original Stratholme does, mostly due to way it's laid out. They also remove all fun stuff developers left while working on the maps and having fun...all eastereggs and all secrets most likely even including that monologue Arthas has near the obelisk in original(which is either replacement for statue of Kng Terenas or is dedicated or related to him in some way).

Main issue i have with them right now is that Blizzard already did something much MUCH better- which are WC3HD pack models in Starcraft II, they have 100% faithfully redone animations and model detail, only minor issue are not exacly the same faces on characters but that could be tweaked. Instead of taking this and following through by making all wc3 models to that standard, they just throw it out of the window again and do this mess that is copying wow's cinematics and current designs for legion which is just bad and disrespectful. Wc3 deserves SC:R/WC3HD treatment, not this....

 

[deepstrasz]

Wc3 deserves SC:R/WC3HD treatment, not this....

Sure but they said Reforged is not the same as a remaster. It's much more. And, look at StarCraft II. All goes well with "realistic" proportions.

 

[Kacpa2]

Sure but they said Reforged is not the same as a remaster. It's much more. And, look at StarCraft II. All goes well with "realistic" proportions.

I dont care what their baseline for it is. SC:R was much better treatment for original game and works perfectly fine as 100% replacement for it, loosing nothing of original's content. If they really want to do so revisionist and aggressive remake then it should be a separate game that isnt replacing Wc3 directly for any newcomers to the game. Especially because of how many things are in there to comporomise integrity of wc3, as skins(which definetly will be aggressively monetized later dont forget about what is happening to Blizzard right now thanks to Activision) and changes to "FIX" it. And havign classic still around isnt an excuse, because none of newcoming players will ever try it out. It's as if Diablo immortal replaced Diablo II or III directly. State of recent updates so isnt ideal either. And it seems that they slowed down alot in last 2 months since 1.30 with hotfixes and improvements to hosting which is still plagued by desyncs and other issues.

 

[deepstrasz]

I dont care what their baseline for it is.

Neither do they care about your opinion. It's their game and they want to make it in their vision, regardless if you like it or not. One thing is giving feedback and another is them totally twisting their vision.

SC:R was much better treatment for original game and works perfectly fine as 100% replacement for it, loosing nothing of original's content.

Except for some portraits and stuff. I agree with you but, it just doesn't work that way in this case.

If they really want to do so revisionist and aggressive remake then it should be a separate game that isnt replacing Wc3 directly for any newcomers to the game

True but they offer you, like in SC:R, the option to play the classic version instead and besides, somewhat Reforged is a new game/expansion/whatever since it will have some functionalities which won't work on classic WcIII anymore.
I agree it should definitely not replace classic Warcraft III.

Especially because of how many things are in there to comporomise integrity of wc3, as skins(which definetly will be aggressively monetized later

I hate microtransactions in your face, yes but this is another topic that doesn't directly imply the art direction of Reforged. It is however something to fight against.

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please edit your post and make the img btw spoiler.

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Anyways, no more sexy stuff. I want Reforged to be serious if that's what they meant by realistic.

dude sexy?! she is not naked ;d

Sexuality is not only related to nudity. Here, you can see (armoured) breasts pointing upward, tight clothing. You understand.

that's I'm trying to do it
I'm trying to do this

What's wrong with the original WcIII Warden/Maiev model? They could start with that.

ooks mine and bliz, they are the same but mine is better, and u think that's sexy, and i said they can change the sexy staff.

Why is yours better? Can't compare a low poly 3D model with a 2D picture. Anyways, the TfT one is quite fine, armoured, not naked. The only unrealistic thing is that such a chest armour (that is not flat) will not offer the desired protection.

 

[kantarion]

About marshmellow armors and their shapes directly same like hots or wow - it has nothing to do with wc3 .

Reforged is not remaster in its classical means , it is literally a MOD officialy made by Blizzard with extra content and improved engine .

So, their decision to skip original concept would be justifyed if they dont copy-paste wow or hots parts.

So ye, not a big deal those are blizzard games right , everyone should calm down right ? (haha)

But guess what, theres 1 game called Warcraft 3 and its blizzard game too(a source of many things), what we gonna do about it ignore its concepts ?
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Ok,enough philosophy. Its clear someone who made those weird decisiosn doesnt have generalist mind , and cant look from above and cant associate things very well.

I would solve this very easy : Follow original concept of original classic wc3 as much as possible ofc in new high polly and hd manner.

And for new not wc3 friendly style = there are skins for that , in which u can inject all of those hots or wow stuffs you want and drag those players for it.
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I will tell you this : I was in hd mods that were trying to do original concept (sometimes lack of skills or time or knowledge or tools and taste didnt allow that) .

Some of us literally almost cried that we cant get close look for wc3 . Telling people you can always play classic is lame, its a crime. They always had classic wtf is wrong with you guys ? The whole desire is to make wc3 HD , but follow original style , not play hots or wow in wc3 ??? WTF are you talking about
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If they go wow or hots copy-paste parts for wc3 there will always be a fair majority of faitfull wc3 people stay unsatisfyed with that decision .

But if blizz go default wc3 original style in HD manner , and for skins other styles similar to wow or hots, purist people may buy skins and get a desire to try soemthing new.
Cause they will feel SAFE, STABLE, they will always have default wc3 style in HD manner, and then they can experiment.
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If you ask me personally, yes i will buy Reforged, i will play it occasionally even if they go completly different units style from wc3 .

But that will not make me happy about wc3, i will never play it with passion.

 

[deepstrasz]

But that will not make me happy about wc3, i will never play it with passion.

The marketing strategy is for you to buy. It does not even matter if you play or not as the game is not maintained by a monthly payed subscription (WoW).

 

[YourArthas]

To be honest if they disappoint me enough I'll go some illegal ways about reforged and go on with modding the game my own but yeah, if they mostly be loyal to old concepts everyone will be happier, otherwise it will be up to us the modders to remaster the original WCIII

 

[Sieben]

otherwise it will be up to us the modders to remaster the original WCIII

Or to remaster Reforged!

 

[kantarion]

The marketing strategy is for you to buy. It does not even matter if you play or not as the game is not maintained by a monthly payed subscription (WoW).

Ye i know how they think, you are correct . Ye i will play it few times just to loose time, not with passion. They will get my money once.

So if they rly go hots-wow copy-paste thing by default and avoid original wc3 concept , i will never buy skins , which would be another hots-wow lie.

So thats a maerketing tone too bro , on a bit higher level .

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I was in mods i was tile maker, i talk with modelers on daily bases, we discuss it, we have hard times, i was the purist guy asking impossible things from them where tools didnt allow such a thing, requires more knowledge,more time,skills,lack of resourcesetc + its not paid job,just passion .

But this is Blizzard , they can follow original concept and for skins they can drag hots-wow players or give some fancy new looks .
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I feel exosted, tired of fighting, i am tired to open photoshop , i am tired to preview mod models,import.


I JUST WANT REFORGED FOLLOW ORIGINAL CONCEPT FOR DEFAULT MODELS,ALSO CUSTOM WC3 ANIMS CAUSE OF HIGH POLLY MODELS IMMITATE THEM, PORTRAIT POSITION SAME LIKE WC3,FACES TO KEEP WC3 CHARM ETC.

I DONT WANNA OPEN PHOTOSHOP ANYMORE IN MY LIFE, OPEN ANY MODEL IN MY LIFE AGAIN, OPEN WAR3MOD FOLDER EVER IN MY LIFE.

OR DISCUSS ABOUT ANY MOD MODEL,FIGHT OR TALK WITH TEAM ABOUT IT ANYMORE ETC.

AND IF THE GAME ENDS UP GOOD, I WIL BUY SKINS YE EVEN IF THEY ARE WOW-HOTS ALIKE, IT WILL GIVE ME EXTRA FUN .

BUT FIRST I MUST ASSURE I FEEL SAFE AND BLIZZARD DIDNT BETRAY ME AND MOST OF PEOPLE WHO THINK SAME!

THIS IS HOW I FEEL.

BYE EVERYONE

 

[deepstrasz]

They will get my money once.

I don't think you get it as you say you do. It's obviously a one time buy. The rest is the cherry on the cake.

I DONT WANNA OPEN PHOTOSHOP ANYMORE IN MY LIFE, OPEN ANY MODEL IN MY LIFE AGAIN. OR DISCUSS ABOUT ANY MOD MODEL,FIGHT OR TALK WITH TEAM ABOUT IT ANYMORE ETC.

Well, Reforged will come with few models, so, don't get any retirement ideas just yet.

 

[kantarion]

Hm, its total remake, i dont udnerstand right now xD?

You mean beta will come with few things,ya ofc ?

 

[loktar]

@kantarion just a suggestion: if you are tired of doing things and don't want to do them... then don't do them? instead of crying about it here
also, the world isn't tailored to your desires, get used to it

 

[deepstrasz]

the world isn't tailored to your desires, get used to it

Indeed, it is tailored for our desires.

 

[kantarion]

@kantarion just a suggestion: if you are tired of doing things and don't want to do them... then don't do them? instead of crying about it here
also, the world isn't tailored to your desires, get used to it

You didnt read probably. Yes i dont wanna do anything anymore cause i wish they do Reforged so nice and not dissapoint not only me, but wast majority.

But now, the only thing i want is they dissapoint you

And btw it is tailored for mine and HD modding community desire,and hive and everyone else. Ofc not in details,but just as motivating sparkle that can light and clear a path for something greater than us, something that great people will make, or not ?

But what if things goes wrong , as i saw in demo ?

Ye, i will cry, laugh,troll,provide constructive feedback here. Cause i spent so much time to please my desires for this game , and give a pleasure to other people too.

Did you listen Petes interview where he point out such a great mods he saw in wc3 and about potential of game ?

Wake up - Reforged is official blizzard mod for wc3.

 

[loktar]

"Yes i dont wanna do anything anymore" - then don't, I don't care why. Or do, I don't care, just please don't post fifteen lines of caps-lock whining about it.

"And btw it is tailored for" - no, Reforged is being made to appeal to the broadest possible audience while minimizing production costs, in order to maximize profits.
Which means Blizzard's goals for Reforged are different to your expectations for it, which is what I was hinting at when I said the world is not tailored to your desires.

"Reforged is official blizzard mod for wc3" - this does not mean anything. TFT is also an official mod. Any modification to the original WC3 is a mod. "Official mod" is just an angry, entitled way of saying you don't like it.

 

[Scias]

Isn't the reforged demo a early alpha? I think of it like Wc3 alpha, there was a huge difference between Wc3 alpha and Wc3 we got.. They said everything is open to be changed from the demo they shown us, sure it took them a lot of work to create all of this and it's unlikely to be changed too much since it's amazing already but I don't think it is impossible that they end up changing some models and textures entirely.

For example I think they can easily make changes required to make units stand out more and not blend in like they did in the original demo, which was pointed out by a lot of members of the community whos feedback they asked for. Same way they might, though it might seem unlikely, change the appearance of Jaina or Arthas or whatever model community is complaining about.

There's no sense in being this upset over it so early, wait for upcoming sneak peeks and presentations.. If you still wish for something to be changed then, write a feedback and keep your head straight while writing it. It's very unlikely that they're gonna listen to your feedback if you're writing it in caps and acting like the world is gonna end if their new Jaina model isn't 100% fitting your idea of how she should look.

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Besides, I don't really see how you can ask for a specific look of just about any Warcraft 3 character and claim it to be the authentic, when Blizzard has been inconsistent with all the characters so far.. In every different Blizzard game they look different, different artists have different styles and ideas, nothing wrong with that really.