I sure can read, that's why I was able to make a question, makes me wonder if you are the one who can't.Do you know how to read ? Yes you can miss something that is wonderful is you want.
Don't you think it'll be cool to align the story of war3 to that of wow?Warcraft 3: Reforged’s story won’t be retconned by WoW after all
We fucking did it! No retcons are confirmed now!
Why do you insist on changing the story of a game that was released more than a decade ago?
It's something I will never understand, if you want WoW you just have to save 13 € every month.
No. WoW diverged too much especially since WoD.Don't you think it'll be cool to align the story of war3 to that of wow?
Since we now have WOW-style models, not having WOW lore is like body without its soul.
And btw what wrong with the new story?
Problem with that is, the gaemplay will probably be the same, nothing new or interesting in the campaign maps...Warcraft 3: Reforged’s story won’t be retconned by WoW after all
We fucking did it! No retcons are confirmed now!
Overall it's killer. But time travel is one of the most killer plots when that isn't even part of the universe/story to begin with.By the way warlord of Draenor in terms of lore was a stepping stone to stop making WoW killing the lore so I don’t know why you chose that one. If you want to speak about lore getting throw appart you can speak about vanilla, or even more Burning Crusade. Even Wotlk don’t make sense on many things.
It isn’t a point of gameplay. It’s about lore. The story was good and it was never about changing it.
By the way warlord of Draenor in terms of lore was a stepping stone to stop making WoW killing the lore so I don’t know why you chose that one. If you want to speak about lore getting throw appart you can speak about vanilla, or even more Burning Crusade. Even Wotlk don’t make sense on many things.
And what was killed in warlord of draenor ? Give some proof.
Reintroducing dead characters or changing older characters. It's pretty obvious.And what was killed in warlord of draenor ?
... some of us like to live the present and future.I don’t see how reintroducing dead character is bad.
Without speculating, Illidan died in TfT.Just look at legon. In BC Illidan was a character that in a point of lore was treated like trash. In Legion he was bring back into glory. And that’s lore killing to change something that was wrong ?
I read about them, got informed. WoW is not my type of game. Warcraft RTS is, especially the third.Honestly did you guys ever played those expansions or are speaking about thoughts ?
That would help my campaign. However, I really need to see that. Citation needed.Nope. Metzen himself said, that originally theywas supposed to be a cinematic showing Illidan being saved by Vash and Kael.
Press to reboot.You’re right WoD did nothing for the future. Just introducing back in all glory one of the greatest character of warcraft. Guldan.
... some of us like to live the present and future.
Without speculating, Illidan died in TfT.
I read about them, got informed. WoW is not my type of game. Warcraft RTS is, especially the third.
WoW has the influence of affecting the story of other Warcraft games.
It helps sucking nostalgic players to the land of unoriginality.Yeah reboot is good. It helps keeping creativity.
Did I say TBC was good? I said WoD made it even worse. For an MMORPG it makes sense but for Warcraft, nopey.Look at it until the end.
And botanis and saberons going to North Barrens to wreak havoc and even plant trees.Time travel. Alternative reality.'Legion has access to all realities'. 'Draenor is free!!1'.
Just to count some
But you don’t even put an argument XD
Ok what was good in WoD ? Introducing back characters who were really interesting.
Gettin read of a character that was nonsense since the start.
Bringing back Kadgar who is someone really important since w2.
And creating a way to Legion which actually what BC should have looked like.
Nope. Metzen himself said, that originally theywas supposed to be a cinematic showing Illidan being saved by Vash and Kael. At the time they didn’t do it because they didn’t had enought money.
You’re right WoD did nothing for the future. Just introducing back in all glory one of the greatest character of warcraft. Guldan.
Liking characters and wanting to see them is not an argument.But you don’t even put an argument XD
I've raised concerns on that one. The idea of the Ashbringer was cliche from the start (in WoW). A fire sword to clash with a frost one, come on...Just realize that because of people like you we may even have even more nonsense in the story. I'm thinking in particular about one of the paladin wielding Ashbringer, which should have been explained since he is not a Mograine.
You only need retcons to "explain" anything.I also seem to remember this. That would explain how Illidan survived the fight with Arthas. Besides, Keal and Vash were right there in Icecrown.
If he indeed said it (which I'm still waiting for the evidence), it matters when he did. If it was around TBC, I doubt it matters.
But Illidan was not finished yet. Meeting Arthas at the glacier's base, the two warriors engaged in single combat. After a few minutes of exchanging blows, however, Arthas overcame Illidan's defenses and cut him down. Illidan Stormrage was badly wounded, but not killed. After it became clear for Vashj and Kael that they could not destroy the Frozen Throne, they retreated, eventually back to Outland, taking Illidan with them.
Note that the in-game animation between Illidan and Arthas was originally planned to be a video cinematic. Time constraints, however, forced the scene to be done inside the game. The developers have said that their greatest regret about this change is that many assumed Illidan died, when the video would have revealed that Illidan survived to watch Arthas's transformation.
I wouldn't say you did it. I'd say lack of budget did it, lol.Warcraft 3: Reforged’s story won’t be retconned by WoW after all
We fucking did it! No retcons are confirmed now!
I wouldn't say you did it. I'd say lack of budget did it, lol.
Agree that some stuff doesn't fit (e.g Giant Arcane Dome on the Broken Isle), but don't you think that so many plot wholes, ruin the story? Like example, why would Arthas date a common girl? How doesn't Tyrande know about the most sacred temple of Elune, that's on the islands she never heard about, same for Malfurion and Maiev? etc...As long as it serves the cause it is good, keep WoW designs and lore away from WC3
@A Void
"Note that the in-game animation between Illidan and Arthas was originally planned to be a video cinematic. Time constraints, however, forced the scene to be done inside the game. The developers have said that their greatest regret about this change is that many assumed Illidan died, when the video would have revealed that Illidan survived to watch Arthas's transformation."
Where from though?
Were they actually going to use those files or did they just scrap the idea like with those lines about Jaina dying?
Even with a lower budget or time/release constraints, they made the Illidan vs Arthas scene which was easier to do than the ending that followed. So, I really don't see why they didn't show Illidan being rescued or seeing Arthas, it would have take a few seconds.
Isn't like that not our concern but WoW's? I mean, why should Warcraft III fix their WoW errors?Agree that some stuff doesn't fit (e.g Giant Arcane Dome on the Broken Isle), but don't you think that so many plot wholes, ruin the story? Like example, why would Arthas date a common girl? How doesn't Tyrande know about the most sacred temple of Elune, that's on the islands she never heard about, same for Malfurion and Maiev? etc...
Isn't like that not our concern but WoW's? I mean, why should Warcraft III fix their WoW errors?
Exactly, Warcraft III they were explained greatly already. WoW retconned stuff into something else instead of following the lore
Not true. In wc3 Arthas is stated to be a prince and Jaina a commoner, and they are clearly in love. Why would a prince be with a girl below his rank, and everyone be OK with it? Where did Kael'thas suddenly appear in TFT and stuff?Isn't like that not our concern but WoW's? I mean, why should Warcraft III fix their WoW errors?
Not true. In wc3 Arthas is stated to be a prince and Jaina a commoner, and they are clearly in love. Why would a prince be with a girl below his rank, and everyone be OK with it? Where did Kael'thas suddenly appear in TFT and stuff?
I maybe biased, but idk. Maybe cause I had a lot of fun with WoW, but really, a lot of plot wholes there are now.
A commoner that was a prodigious student of the Kirin Tor, not a farmer.Not true. In wc3 Arthas is stated to be a prince and Jaina a commoner, and they are clearly in love. Why would a prince be with a girl below his rank, and everyone be OK with it? Where did Kael'thas suddenly appear in TFT and stuff?
Also, their love was a secret until a point.Jaina wasn't a commoner, she was Antonidas' apprentice who underwent several missions with prince Arthas before Warcraft 3's story line. Don't pull your rank-dogma out of your biased view, he can fall in love with whoever he pleases.
Minor plot holes, basically subjective plot holes. They don't hurt the story at all. Those characters were created to complete and further the story. They are by no means suddenly introduced or retcons.Certain characters not appearing like Maiev or Keal wasn't a plot hole. The areas themselves are much bigger than what they look like in Warcraft 3 campaign.
Exactly.As a result, some characters were in the same area, but off-screen, since the areas the campaign focused on were only a portion of the actual area size.
She was his apprentice, but was a commoner. And their love was obvious to Uther and the soldiers, Falric etc...If she was a princess of Kul Tiras, that would explain a lot of things.Jaina wasn't a commoner, she was Antonidas' apprentice who underwent several missions with prince Arthas before Warcraft 3's story line. Don't pull your rank-dogma out of your biased view, he can fall in love with whoever he pleases.
Keal was a Dalaran survivor, after the destruction of Dalaran.
Seriously, did u ever play Warcraft 3?
From the RoC manual:She was his apprentice, but was a commoner. And their love was obvious to Uther and the soldiers, Falric etc...
She was his apprentice, but was a commoner. And their love was obvious to Uther and the soldiers, Falric etc...If she was a princess of Kul Tiras, that would explain a lot of things.
Kael is the perfect example of TfT retconning Roc. Where was he when Arthas slaughtered his kingdom, and when Arthas destroyed Dalaran. I see a major plot whole. He just show's up from nowhere to Maiev and Tyrande, and Tyrande wants to help him cause he looks like some of Jaina's soldiers.
You've missed @A Void's point and the game's.Kael is the perfect example of TfT retconning Roc. Where was he when Arthas slaughtered his kingdom, and when Arthas destroyed Dalaran. I see a major plot whole. He just show's up from nowhere to Maiev and Tyrande, and Tyrande wants to help him cause he looks like some of Jaina's soldiers.