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Reforged Warcraft III Reforged - What we know... so far.

Discussion in 'Patch Discussion' started by Archian, Nov 3, 2018.

  1. Remixer

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    I would avoid such comments as a Map Reviewer - generally too.
     
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    Unnecessary joke.
     
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    You have seen homosexual dreadlords and Pit Lords. The thing with homosexuality is that it's not something that you can see by just looking at how someone looks.
     
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    feedback about models:

    I think the grunt shoulder armour edge should be a brighter metal color instead of black,and the shoulder armour had better to extrude metal spines,like original painting in warcraft or wow,it will look nice.Moreover,the peon’s feature is not defined,the ear has a bit small .
     

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  5. deepstrasz

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    "What we know... so far":
     
  6. Zwiebelchen

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    All the people concerned about the editor being more complicated:

    From a business standpoint, it wouldn't make sense that they hired a hiveworkshop member to make us an "official" blizzard-supported version of Newgen/WEX with vJass integration just to then make it pointless by making ANOTHER editor.

    So the editor upgrades they are talking about are pretty much what they are currently working on by patching the current WC3 version. We get new editor features every patch currently, and it will ultimately result in the new editor they talked about on Blizzcon.

    So we can be pretty sure that the general workflow will be the same and that the only real difference might be extra features like vJass integration with syntax highlighting and possibly a UI editor and model converters as plugins.


    They won't make this Galaxy 2.0. Because that would be too hard to do with backwards compatibility of old maps.
     
  7. deepstrasz

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    True, however there will be Reforged and classic Warcraft III in parallel. But, I guess you're right as Reforged is still part of the Classic Team, no?
    I was thinking more of Reforged maps won't work on the classic version.
     
  8. Zwiebelchen

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    I supposed they will coexist just like ROC and TFT coexist. Remember that for a very long time you could never play TFT maps with only ROC installed until blizzard merged both versions a few patches ago.
    So WC3 reforged will probably get a new map file format (I would vote for .w3r, but thats already reserved for replay files) that gets automatically created by the editor as soon as you use one of the Reforged features.

    I am pretty sure that this is a given. But W3X maps didn't work in ROC either, so that's not surprising.

    Bottom line is: consider Reforged like a new WC3 expansion just like TFT. TFT had backwards compatibility, but added lots of new features to both the game and editor.


    ...
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    Now that I think about it; imagine how they could have scored style points at blizzard by not calling it a WC3 remake, but an actual WC3 expansion with a new campaign...
     
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    Now that you mention that is true. But they haven't denied possibility of new campaigns - I actually think they are very likely to do so.

    Blizzard mentioned that both, Classic Warcraft 3 and Reforged will be on the same Launcher on Battle.net.
     
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    What sort of expansion are we talking about, one based on engine enhancements? Because, frankly, it's a reboot.
    I bet they will sell it afterwards like the Nova Covert Ops, if they plan it.
     
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    End of Arthas story - that's all what Wc3 needs.
    Another campaign about fight with Lich King(Arthas). That's all.
    (They could do something about Forsaken and Kiljaden also.)

    Then Wc4 can be prequel or something after-WoW.
     
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    Most certainly this if they don't breed more WoW expansions, otherwise DLCs and spinoffs.
     
  13. Zwiebelchen

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    So, like ... that expansion called 'Cataclysm' that was totally called a reboot?
     
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    :D it had its differences though. A bit incomparable if you ask me.
     
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    They overhauled the light engine in cataclysm and remade a lot of existing content. I don't see how this is very different.

    I mean... just think about it: Blizzard getting some guy on stage telling us that we get a full fledged expansion with a new campaign and updated graphics to a 15 year old game. People would go NUTS! I kinda feel that they decided to remake the old campaign is such a wasted opportunity...
     
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    An ecological game of sorts.
     
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    @Zwiebelchen , I'm actually super-on-board for the idea of just calling it an Expansion... But I think that's the thing. Calling it an Expansion would've greatly pleased old fogies like us because it's sort of tapping into the nostalgia & the joy & the general feel of what's being made.

    However, by doing so, they miss out on the opportunity of calling it a Remaster (or in this case "Reforged"), which has a whole different sense of cultural & emotional weight behind it, for (what I would argue is) a much broader audience than just "old nostalgia fogies" like ourselves.

    I mean people would be excited either way, IMO. But what's a "bigger deal" to the layman; a simple "Expansion" to an old game, or a "complete Remaster" of an old game? (even if the amount of work is the same (mostly visibly, the visual changes))
     
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    Upgrades to world editor ... NANI
     
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    • There will be a reforged version of the orginal UI. (03:40)
    • Reforge will offer female versions of male Heroes and vice versa (07:10)
    • Lan function will be kept. (07:40)
    • Ingame watch other peoples games (12:00)
    • A big Patch will be deployed proably in February/or somewhere in Spring: "having an huge amount of improvements to the editor" (13:42)
    • Rework/Upgrading the Tile-System (19:18)
    There might be more informations which I did not mention.
     
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    Thanks for that.
    He also said:
    • Tools for modding will be out before Reforged is released (10:55)
    • There will be a beta, date unknown (14:55)
    • There is no plan at the moment about adding new content (new race, new units, new campaign...) (16:10)
    • There is no plan to implement co-op gameplay at the moment (18:04)
    • Blizzard is thinking about ways to help new players figuring how the game works (18:16)
    • Selection of more than 12 units: it's technically possible, the devs are open about it and there are discussions about it (20:03)
    It was a very interesting interview :)
     
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