Rally of Azeroth 3,4,5

[deepstrasz]

1. I guess the vehicle should stop by itself if you release the forward key. To stop it you have to press the down arrow key.
2. Not sure why there is one computer player that goes through shortcuts(?). You could make it multiplayer instead and add bots if players decide to play alone.
3. There's a lot of stuttering and shaking. And if you hit the explosive barrel it's horror, which doesn't explode by the way, it just remains there and triggers your spinning off track. You're forced to use back to track even if not off the road. Also, not sure about the range required to trigger the FX but it seemed I was pretty far the second time and still got shaken.
4. OK back to road didn't work, the camera was still heavily shaking.
5. Why can't you reverse?
6. Even hitting a wall might get your camera to shake naughtily. Also going through bushes/plants shortcuts.
   
7. Back to track doesn't put your vehicle's facing on the right track if you use it when going the wrong way.

Right now, it's pretty much unplayable.

Awaiting Update.

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[tomek83]

1. Fixed - vehicle will slow down and stop by itself when forward key is released
2. Racing with bot is now optional (selectable at game start).
The map is for singleplayer only and it won't change - too much effort required
There are a few shortcuts that can be used by bots to make up for their limited speed
3. I've reduced camera shaking and fixed some possible sources of excessive stuttering / shaking, but I don't know if that was your case.
Explosive barrel should explode when hit with high speed, otherwise it'll bounce you like when hitting a tree.
Hitting explosive barred should not trigger any shaking, however driving over grass can cause some minor camera shake
4. If excessive shaking is still present, please let me know if it's vertical or all-direction shaking, what frequency it have and if there are error messages displayed.
If it won't end after few seconds, then please try console command "shake=0" and let me know if it helped
5. To reverse, you need to stop first and then tap down arrow once. Since this update, reverse works also when holding down arrow.
6. Some camera shaking while going off-road is intentional. If it's too high, use "shake=N" command (N=80 is default, N=0 disables shaking) and let me know if it helped.
7. Back to road puts your car back on the road, but not necessarily on the track.
Used just after getting off the track, should put you on the right way and direction.
If you get lost, use "show the way" command (or short form: "stw") and follow summoned spirit.
I've also added some wrong way signs - when you see double archery range facing your direction, it means you go wrong way

 

[deepstrasz]

The map is for singleplayer only and it won't change - too much effort required

I guess you could just copy the triggers for more players and make the cars either not bump into each other or smaller?

6. Some camera shaking while going off-road is intentional. If it's too high, use "shake=N" command (N=80 is default, N=0 disables shaking) and let me know if it helped.

I guess you should make some options to choose from before starting the track/race.

Many times, I get lost, have no idea where I'm supposed to go to. Sometimes the camera seems too close to the ground, especially when up on the cliffs.

Here's my playthrough: Upload files for free - 2019-12-07 17-28-09.mp4

 

[tomek83]

Thank you deepstrasz for the playthrough, it was very useful. The shaking was intentional on the grass, but shake magnitude was way higher than I had while playing it on my Warcraft 1.30.3, so it may be some compatibility issue. I've replaced "Camera - shake camera" trigger with changing camera's roll and pitch, so it should now work as expected - there should be only minor to moderate shaking, about 10x smaller than what I saw on the movie. Please let me know if it helped.

By the way, I've fixed the barrels so they can be destroyed with lower speed.
It's recommended to disable "always show health bars" in game options as that bars are very disturbing from this perspective. Same for mouse cursor in the middle of the screen. I couldn't find how disable that from triggers. I also couldn't find a global fix for camera getting too close the ground - when I find such places I just fix the terrain there to be more round and lower.

I saw you got lost only in few places - I've fixed terrain there a little. When you get off the track, it's easiest to just stop and use "back to road" button. If you get lost and don't know the right direction, you can use "show the way" command (or simply "stw") and follow summoned spirit.

 

[deepstrasz]

It's recommended to disable "always show health bars" in game options as that bars are very disturbing from this perspective. Same for mouse cursor in the middle of the screen. I couldn't find how disable that from triggers. I also couldn't find a global fix for camera getting too close the ground - when I find such places I just fix the terrain there to be more round and lower.

maybe @Tasyen could help?

I saw you got lost only in few places - I've fixed terrain there a little. When you get off the track, it's easiest to just stop and use "back to road" button. If you get lost and don't know the right direction, you can use "show the way" command (or simply "stw") and follow summoned spirit.

Would be best to add some dummy abilities with hotkeys for these commands instead of having to write them in the chat bar.

 

[Tasyen]

This actions can be used to alter some of the selection behaviour and shown unit infos.

• Actions
  • Game - Disable selection and deselection functionality (Disable selection circles)
  • Game - Disable drag-selection functionality (Disable drag-selection box)
  • Game - Disable pre-selection functionality (Disable pre-selection circles, life bars, and object info)

 

[tomek83]

Thanks @Tasyen for the hint - I don't need to disable selection functionality, but the last action helped to disable life bars so the user no longer needs to change it in game options.

Would be best to add some dummy abilities with hotkeys for these commands instead of having to write them in the chat bar.

There was already a dummy ability for "back to road" command (S key while stopped). I've added another for "show the way" command (D key).

 

[deepstrasz]

1. Performance seems pretty OK. Not quite epilepsy friendly though.
   
2. Sometimes you can see the void under the terrain on ramps.
3. The creeps are there kind of for no real reason. Maybe you could make some of them do something to you like temporarily ensnare you or blood lust you in the right moments. Say, if you wake the troll by coming too close, you get ensnared. If you "help" the ogre in some way like killing a sheep (that would become its food), the ogre casts temporary blood lust on you. Just some ideas.

Things to think about for the future:
-swamp and other kind of terrain (ice, lava, wet etc.) that might slow you, hurt you, make you slide etc.

Approved.

(previous comments: Rally of Azeroth 3)

 

[tomek83]

Thank you for review and feedback.
There's not much I can help for camera height issue, is it very disturbing or rather a minor issue? Would a small increase of camera height help?

Creeps are there to attack player, when your HP reach 0 it's game over. However, they are not very aggressive, can be evaded or killed when hit.
I don't know how challenging is this map for other players, to survive all 3 laps and win the race. I expect it should be rather easy but not trivial

I'd like to ask people who played this map to the end (if any) how much HP they have left after completing 3 laps (also damages and time).
This could help me to balance this map or future maps of this type.

 

[deepstrasz]

The issue with this is that it's very similar to the other one and it has its own thread. I could foresee a kazillion of such map threads.

1. The heroes from the tavern should be removed. You should also make the tavern unselectable if it's not supposed to be used that way.
2. Some doodads like trees and arches should be placed a bit in the ground as they almost levitate.
3. Playing this much will make you dizzy because of the camera shaking.
4. Reached the second lap with about 400HP. Is there a way to repair or something? Seems a bit random to dodge creeps.

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[tomek83]

Thank you for review.
The map is somewhat similar to the other one, important differences are highlighted in description to show how similar or how different it is.
There won't be much more threads like that.

I've updated this map with some minor changes:
removed heroes from Tavern and made it somewhat unselectable, fixed some "almost levitating" trees and moved Fountain of Life to more visible place, just after the Tavern.
You can use Fountain of Life do restore HP, but there's intentionally no way to repair damages.
Dodging creeps is a bit difficult, but if you have enough speed you can also run over them, especially the smaller ones.

 

[deepstrasz]

There won't be much more threads like that.

Don't get me wrong. You can do how many maps/tracks like these you want but just keep them organized in a single thread/pack if you don't mind.

 

[deepstrasz]

Pretty much the same thing as the others. They should all be in one thread as the differences are meager.

 

[Deleted member 247165]

The concept is nice, considering that there aren't many racing games in Warcraft 3. I played this using Reforged. The camera feels kinda laggy and it barely rotates at some point. I like that you added a guiding spirit to show you where to go + the reset ability that puts you back on the right road. An AI can also be added at the start of the race. Kinda sad that I cannot see the vehicle I'm racing with, because of the camera angle set.
It is a nice game but at its current state it cannot be approved considering that it lacks a lot of features and the execution is very simple and doesn't provide much replayability.

Set to simple

 

[tomek83]

Thanks both for your comments. Even if I disagree with some of them, it's good to hear how others see my maps.

deepstrasz,​

as this map, as well as "Rally of Azeroth 4" are considered too similar to my other maps, I'll soon merge them into single thread (add both maps to Rally of Azeroth 3, which has the most comments and remove other 2 threads).

Alexen,​

please back up your comment and put it into the merged thread after I merge all 3 racing maps into single thread. Let's continue the discussion in that thread.

 

[deepstrasz]

@tomek83 please do not delete any of your map threads and then make new ones with the same map(s). Let @Alexen to merge your threads with all the comments and stuff.

 

[Deleted member 247165]

@tomek83 please do not delete any of your map threads and then make new ones with the same map(s). Let @Alexen to merge your threads with all the comments and stuff.

Check your PM and let's not spam the bundle of the map with administrative stuff.