FlameofInvasion 0.2

[deepstrasz]

A nice concept but has a basic gameplay experience overall using the same known melee factions while the enemy is sending waves of regular creeps constantly. There's some dynamism but it's mostly keeping a stand towards the middle of the map and later spamming towers near occupied mines.
A similar map has been uploaded somewhat recently, still with the emphasis on core game mechanics.

Approved.

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[FlameofChange]

A nice concept but has a basic gameplay experience overall using the same known melee factions while the enemy is sending waves of regular creeps constantly. There's some dynamism but it's mostly keeping a stand towards the middle of the map and later spamming towers near occupied mines.
A similar map has been uploaded somewhat recently, still with the emphasis on core game mechanics.

Indeed, the goal was to give an almost untouched Warcraft 3 content, as opposed to other maps which has a rather dumb power creep.
Well, almost. In extra mode there's some new content for players. Still it is most centered around vanilla gameplay.

 

[Daffa]

I like the idea of this map, given that I also had a similar concept recently. In my opinion, strategy wise, this is much more fleshed out compared to what I did. However, one major issue that tend to be forgotten in this scale of map is that cluster of units can create lag for players on some laptops. From my personal testing on full AI, around 15-20 minutes into the game, if the player team unable to push, the game becomes extremely laggy that players no longer able to properly control their army without precognition (as in, predict what happened in the next few seconds and act on the prediction beforehand) and hotkey mastery.

A strategy that I did in my map for this issue is to cap the amount of enemies in the map. When the enemy is below this cap, spawn more, when above or at cap, stop spawning until it is below the cap again. This way, there's always a lot of creep for players to deal with, but it is not to a level where the game cannot interact well with the creeps.

EDIT:

I'll try again and see if it is consistent or not.

EDIT:

Seems to be Night Elf AI causing issues due to pathing, definitely something from the default melee and not part of the map issue.

 

[Daffa]

An interesting take of a defense map combined with melee-esque gameplay. I personally argue that more custom stuff is beneficial, but that is something arguable since it influences balance a lot. A nitpick that comes to mind is the mercenary camp, since it doesn't seem to be randomized.

Tested on Easy. At larger player numbers, it is easier to get overwhelmed unless everyone coordinates their part of the defense properly. I personally find Human Riflemen one of the most effective countermeasures against most creep for this difficulty, as long as somebody else willing to tank or macroed well to avoid damage.

 

[FlameofChange]

An interesting take of a defense map combined with melee-esque gameplay. I personally argue that more custom stuff is beneficial, but that is something arguable since it influences balance a lot. A nitpick that comes to mind is the mercenary camp, since it doesn't seem to be randomized.

Tested on Easy. At larger player numbers, it is easier to get overwhelmed unless everyone coordinates their part of the defense properly. I personally find Human Riflemen one of the most effective countermeasures against most creep for this difficulty, as long as somebody else willing to tank or macroed well to avoid damage.

Thank you for the feedback.
I could extend a bit the Extra mode with custom stuff, but right now I don't want to go too far from melee since the map is about testing your melee skills.
I haven't thought about randomizing the mercenary camp, but I want the map as deterministic as possible. Indeed creeps are random but their danger comes from their diversity of abilities and numbers ; so the randomness makes that there's roughly the same amount of each creep at a certain moment.
I don't want to add broken mercenaries too, since people would rely on them too much. That's why I put high level creeps you could get in melee.

Through testing I used mass ranged to support the AI allies, which is effective unless your ally dies of death. Let's see what other test would do.

 

[Harold178]

Fun map with great concept in mind, though the waves come in too fast in any difficulties.

 

[FlameofChange]

Fun map with great concept in mind, though the waves come in too fast in any difficulties.

It is intended the creeps comes fast, you just have like a hero and 1-2 units ; although creeps arrive at level 1 and they are only a few of them. Plus killing them gives some gold to better kickstart your base, units and upgrades. That's why the harder levels are here to punish slowpokes !
Don't focus on towers at first because they are too expensive and not mobile enough.
You may use some melee build order to help the beginning.

 

[Eryuell]

hello, i put this file in Documents>Warcraft III>Maps, but the map isnt showing, where should i put the file in?

 

[Daffa]

hello, i put this file in Documents>Warcraft III>Maps, but the map isnt showing, where should i put the file in?

What patch are you on? Latest Reforged or not? You need latest Reforged for this map.