Don't Feed The Trolls

[deepstrasz]

1. Team Killer and Greedy Schemer don't have hero glow.
2. Troll Face's icon becomes green on F10/game pause. It needs a DISBTN. If it doesn't have one, you can make it with:
   Button Manager v1.8.2
   BLP Lab v0.5.0
3. Spells Like Fake Profile and Bondage don't have values per level in their description when learning the spells.
4. Suspicious Behaviour creates a green icon buff named Divine Shield.
5. You should use custom icons for spells like Suspicious Behaviour since it has the icon of Boots of Speed. Many spells have such already used icons.
   
6. Intended for the Damsel to have Wander? Besides the neutral women have specific/different names and I guess you can't really confuse the fake one because it shows as an enemy.
7. Resume Cover should be similar to the Suspicious Behaviour icon, not a totally different onel; example: activate-disable Immolation/Mana Shield/Avatar/Divine Shield.
8. Fake Profile doesn't let you regenerate the hero's mana and health.
9. Bondage=Ensnare. Nothing special about it.
   
10. King of Slat has a bit too big selection circle. Same: Greedy Schemer, Shifty Contractor,
    
11. Rabble Rousing=Endurance Aura, including the icon.
12. Does Rage Quit actually do anything or is it just a game text farce? The hero remains there although the vulture appears.
13. Brilliance Aura, really!? How about something original?
14. Squeeze Through has some text errors.
15. Because I'm a Woman=Frenzy and it doesn't have autocast borders.
16. Manlsplaining=Silence...
17. Demonstration=Locust Swarm.
18. Now You Don't looks active and should look passive. You can make it so with the Button Manager linked earlier.
19. Not sure how exactly useful We're Under Attack is. It forces however to use Hold Position, I guess.
20. No You Don't seems to be a bit imbalanced especially combined with Fake God.
21. Organ Trafficking's description after learning the spell, isn't as detailed as the one in the learn ability menu.
22. Does the Shifty Contractor only build human buildings?
23. Demolition Squad=Stampede.
24. Fake Barracks' selection circle is not visible.
25. Bon Voyage says 1, 2 and 3 units in the learn ability menu instead of 3, 6, so on.
26. The Final Countdown is imbalanced as it can be cast from wherever and requires the hero being killed. Now, if the bombs don't totally destroy main buildings, then it's OKish.
27. Purge by Fire seems OK on big maps but on small ones it would be kind of imabalanced if working only on enemies.
28. The minimap signal over the Psychopath should look different, not as if one of your units is being attacked. Also, it should not appear for the owner.
29. Not sure how useful Le Grande is.
30. Shroom Launcher's position isn't right under Patrol but after it.
31. Blink is just Blink.
32. Attack Ground from throwing shrooms moves the ability plus to some other command card place. This spell is heavily imbalanced as it gives the hero permanent range over towers.
33. Not sure if the Hide Building trees should be so strong considering you can make many. Also, on other maps with different trees, the camouflage would not work if the tree is still Lordaeron Summer type.

Generally, lovely ideas but needs more creativity, improvements and balance.

Approved.

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[Cheshire]

Hey, thanks for the detailed feedback. In general this map is kind of aimed at being Meme-ish, more of a fun party game than actual serious competition so that is the reason some abilities are a little useless. in general I do want it to be fun to play, so I don't want anything game-breakingly imbalanced. But still, the theme is trolling, and I added a lot of stuff that is more thematic and funny than necessarily useful.

I will try to fix most of what you said with a few exceptions:

Intended for the Damsel to have Wander? Besides the neutral women have specific/different names and I guess you can't really confuse the fake one because it shows as an enemy.

Are you sure it appears as an enemy? in essence it is just a mechanical creature so it should be impossible to tell from other critters (who are women on the map to serve this ability). I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that...

Fake Profile doesn't let you regenerate the hero's mana and health.

I forgot it ended up like that, but is it def a bad thing? it might be a good balance check, no?

Does Rage Quit actually do anything or is it just a game text farce? The hero remains there although the vulture appears.

all of the players units act as if he really left the game. (they won't hit you back etc'). andhe can't control them until he uses "sneak back in".

Not sure how exactly useful We're Under Attack is. It forces however to use Hold Position, I guess.

it is supposed to be annoying to opponents, and distract them from whatever they are doing, but more than that it can be used to "cry wolf" and get players to start ignoring the "under attack" notice, which can then be exploited by attacking them. that was my reasoning behind that one.

Does the Shifty Contractor only build human buildings?

no, he can only build the buildings of the race of his owner.

The Final Countdown is imbalanced as it can be cast from wherever and requires the hero being killed. Now, if the bombs don't totally destroy main buildings, then it's OKish.

the balance of that ability (besides 3 minutes to kill him which is a long time), is that it happens to everyone. that is in a way the definition of balance.

Purge by Fire seems OK on big maps but on small ones it would be kind of imabalanced if working only on enemies.

also, these mines are hidden to all players, and harm all players. the exp goes to the caster anyways.

Not sure how useful Le Grande is.

it's not. the only thing you can do with it besides TK is to destroy a large area of trees. but I see it as a penalty for choosing a hero called "team killer" .

Shroom Launcher's position isn't right under Patrol but after it.

That was the only way around hardcoded stuff.

Attack Ground from throwing shrooms moves the ability plus to some other command card place. This spell is heavily imbalanced as it gives the hero permanent range over towers.

About command card place see above. In terms of bakance, many of these abilities are more powerful than regular hero abilites, but not necessarily compared to each other. I think stealing gold and items is probably way more valuable than this and I can give more examples. The whole essence of this hero is based on that ability, so I think I will leave it as is.

Not sure if the Hide Building trees should be so strong considering you can make many. Also, on other maps with different trees, the camouflage would not work if the tree is still Lordaeron Summer type.

Currently all of these are only available on this map, so if someone wants to copy this ability elsewhere than I agree, they should use an appropriate tree model. don't see how that is an issue here. In terms of balance - maybe I will limit this to one at a time, or make the cooldown even longer.




In terms of more originality - I didn't claim that every ability here was original, just that most were. If people play this map and have ideas for ways to enhance, I'm open to changes. Also - I tried to use in-game icons where I could and not import/create for no good reason bc I wanted to keep filesize small, and felt like it was silly to import for the sake of importing when the game had reasonable icons at hand. do you disagree?


thanks again for the detailed feedback!

 

[deepstrasz]

Are you sure it appears as an enemy? in essence it is just a mechanical creature so it should be impossible to tell from other critters (who are women on the map to serve this ability). I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that...

That's good.

all of the players units act as if he really left the game. (they won't hit you back etc'). andhe can't control them until he uses "sneak back in".

I didn't realize they got paused.

is that it happens to everyone. that is in a way the definition of balance.

Even to the owner and allies?

Also - I tried to use in-game icons where I could and not import/create for no good reason bc I wanted to keep filesize small, and felt like it was silly to import for the sake of importing when the game had reasonable icons at hand. do you disagree?

Since this map is 1.32+, I'd really not be concerned about map filesize considering Reforged is 20gb or so...

 

[Cheshire]

Even to the owner and allies?

yep. hence me quoting "some men just wanna watch the world burn".

 

[hexhound]

Full points for creativity, just reading the descriptions has me cracking up.

 

[Cheshire]

glad to hear , thanks!

Hey @deepstrasz

I fixed the following:

1. Fixed Team Killer and Greedy Schemer’s hero glow.

2. Troll Face icon has a DISBTN.

3. Suspicious Behaviour no longer creates a green icon buff named Divine Shield.

4. New custom icon for Suspicious Behaviour and turning it off.

5. Because I'm a Woman now has autocast borders.

6. Now You Don't now looks passive.

7. Bon Voyage has the updated info.

8. Fake tree cooldown nerfed to 120. That should balance it somewhat.

9. Squeeze through text errors - I found one stray period and erased it. besides that dk what you mean.

I think there is nothing left that is actually malfunctioning. just things that could be better (more original abilities instead of the ones that are just standard abilities with jokes added), and there are some small imperfections (points 8,10,24,28 in your review) that don't bother me enough to fix currently. besides those, its just the things I already explained.

thanks!

 

[Null]

I just started laughing when I read bondage xD Cool map man!

 

[Cheshire]

aw poop, my description got messed up by the move to remoosed. maybe when I have some time and I'm not feelig lazy I'll fix it...

 

[deepstrasz]

my description got messed up by the move to remoosed. maybe when I have some time and I'm not feelig lazy I'll fix it...

Might this help?

BB code migrater

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[Daffa]

Some heroes might not be that much fun in Singleplayer, but this map is amusing regardless. Loves the Psychopath and Shifty Contractor personally

 

[Cheshire]

Might this help?

BB code migrater

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That actually didn't change anything in my case but thanks anyways. In any case I fixed it manually.

 

[Daffa]

The Salt King's enrage skill seems to bug out with the hero availability if I see it right.
New Management is not very practical. It's TOO DAMN LONG.
Psychopaths shouldn't be affected by their own ward or bomb, I mean I know they're psycho but I doubt they allow their own contraption to ruin their damn day. It's okay for other units though. Teleport is arguably allowable since it has survival chances.

 

[Cheshire]

Thanks for the detailed feedback!

The Salt King's enrage skill seems to bug out with the hero availability if I see it right.

Can you explain what you mean?

New Management is not very practical. It's TOO DAMN LONG.

maybe. I was thinking it's only applicable if you sneak into an enemy base and start casting this while they are focused on a big battle happening somewhere else. having that with a short cast time is too OP even for this map. notice it's also shorter cast time for non-main buildings

Psychopaths shouldn't be affected by their own ward or bomb, I mean I know they're psycho but I doubt they allow their own contraption to ruin their damn day. It's okay for other units though.

I disagree. The Psychopath was inspired by Heath Ledgers joker "I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair”.. (while offering someone to put a bullet in his head)

 

[Daffa]

Can you explain what you mean?

I cannot buy additional heroes after casting the skill twice. I assume since it remove ownership then regain ownership, the game consider me 'acquire additional hero' thus making me lose opportunity for getting more heroes.

maybe. I was thinking it's only applicable if you sneak into an enemy base and start casting this while they are focused on a big battle happening somewhere else. having that with a short cast time is too OP even for this map. notice it's also shorter cast time for non-main buildings

I guess it's pretty much a sneak- nope. That aura and the whole bar is a dead giveaway and unless your allies really stall time for you, it won't work. I think the only one needs nerfing is the Hall timer personally, 50% increase instead of 100% increase would be a blessing.

I disagree. The Psychopath was inspired by Heath Ledgers joker "I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair”.. (while offering someone to put a bullet in his head)

It's just dumb IMO. I mean, you're the one putting traps so why you die from your own traps?

 

[Cheshire]

I cannot buy additional heroes after casting the skill twice. I assume since it remove ownership then regain ownership, the game consider me 'acquire additional hero' thus making me lose opportunity for getting more heroes.

thanks, I'll fix that when I have some time. I think I know what might be causing that.

I guess it's pretty much a sneak- nope. That aura and the whole bar is a dead giveaway and unless your allies really stall time for you, it won't work. I think the only one needs nerfing is the Hall timer personally, 50% increase instead of 100% increase would be a blessing.

sure.

It's just dumb IMO. I mean, you're the one putting traps so why you die from your own traps?

I'm not sure if you mean from a gameplay point of view or from a character analysis. If you are talking about the first, I guess I see your point, but it makes little practical difference. In this huge map that was envisioned to be played with a lots of units running around - the times that the caster will actually be the one stepping on the mines is negligible. And in terms of understanding the character - it's someone who doesn't care about life or limb and likes making everything go boom.

 

[Daffa]

I guess I can understand the Psychopath better now. Keep it that way then
Thanks for consideration for the New Management.

 

[Daffa]

 

[Cheshire]

awesome! seeing someone playing it definitely bumps updating this up on my to do list. Did you find any bugs?

 

[Daffa]

awesome! seeing someone playing it definitely bumps updating this up on my to do list. Did you find any bugs?

I think all my previous posts sum everything I found. Also, just a nitpick but AI is dumb, so I won't complain the fact I manage to burn their main hall with Psychopath

 

[Cheshire]

yeah, just standard AI. I didn't see the whole video - but was the fake building ability not working after you leveled up or did I misunderstand what I saw?

 

[Daffa]

yeah, just standard AI. I didn't see the whole video - but was the fake building ability not working after you leveled up or did I misunderstand what I saw?

Not sure, since I don't really watch the situation back then. Maybe I'll recheck if I play again.