Caveman War v1.0

[eubz]

Caveman War v1.0
Submitted by Gonguerf

-I tried to play this map solo but I could not play it. How do you select your hero at the start of the game? You said at the shelter, but no, it is not. There are four "cavemen" but I could not select any of them. Clarify this please.
- I think shelters and other doodads are oversized. Can you have it resize? (Just an opinion though)
- You have so many memory leaks please do something about them and read this post. Basic Memory Leaks
- Can you still increase the size of the map a bit, because I think it's just a small map for AOS. (Just a suggestion, though)
- The map can still be improved if you work for it.
- Thanks.

 

[Teitan]

Hello, thanks for downloading & testing my map!

Regarding the hero selection, you select it from the building called "Campfire" (the fire with all the cavemen around), this building serves as the "tavern" of this AoS, at the start of the game it is selected by default, there is only 1 button which is the caveman hero.

I can indeed reduce the size of doodads and buildings, thanks for the feedback!

About memory leaks, i have no clue about that, this is the first time i make a map, i will read the tutorial you linked.

Finally, the map size, i could increase the size but i lack the knowledge to do so, when i created the map i selected the smallest (64x64 if IRC), however, if it's possible i can increase the size.

Additional info, just in case:

- The campfire is actually a building, it is the "tavern" of the game, and it is automatically selected at the start of the game for every player

- You buy items from the building/NPC "Patriarch", near the campfire (the old guy who looks like a warlock)

- There is actually a little tutorial at the start of the game, some text messages automatically display in the lower-left corner

- There is also a detailed description of the game in the quest menu (F9)

 

[Nortwin]

- The campfire is actually a building, it is the "tavern" of the game

Give it a ground texture in Object Editor. That'll make people understand it's a building.
https://i.imgur.com/WRgADbL.png

 

[Teitan]

Alright i will start fixing the leaks as soon as i can, however i have a question: do they cause noticeable lag? because my computer is a 2009 HP potato, and i didn't notice any delay while testing it, some times i played around 30 minutes and i don't remember having a performance issue, the map is very small maybe it's not that big of a deal?, i'm not saying i won't try to fix it, but i want to make sure it's important because there is A LOT of triggers and i'm like "jesus christ do i have to check every single one again "

Give it a ground texture in Object Editor. That'll make people understand it's a building.
https://i.imgur.com/WRgADbL.png

That's easy, i will consider it or maybe using the shelter instead for that purpose, ty

 

[deepstrasz]

Remove excess tags. It's not an Arena map. AoS suffices.

1. Right now, the map doesn't bring anything new to the AoS genre. It's one lane based (imagine the blockages), abilities are 95% Warcraft III ones, items pretty much similar. All heroes are the same. Neutral hostile units spawning out of nowhere right in the middle of the battle.
   
2. Spells don't have visible hotkeys.
3. Only Brute Strength tells the details of what it gives for each level in the learn ability menu. Learn about tooltips:
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   Creating Good Descriptions

Needs more hero diversity, less randomness being killed by neutral hostile, more items, abilities, maybe even lanes etc.

Awaiting Update.

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[Teitan]

Hello, thanks for the review, i really appreciate the feedback and will certainly continue working on the map as soon as i feel like it, but right now i'm kind of "burnt out", i literally spent full days working on it (had nothing better to do due to a foot lesson lol) and i'm kinda sick of the World Editor right now.

Currently the to-do list consists of the following (02/08/2019):

- Removing Leaks. Pending
- Adding more Heroes. Pending
- Adding more items. Pending
- Finding a different way to spawn the neutral mobs. Pending
- Make the terrain bigger (still don't know if it's possible). Pending
- Remove excess tags. Done

Regarding the size of the map (terrain)

Is it possible to enlarge it or do i need to create a new, bigger map and copy everything into it?

EDIT: Updating the bundle to remove the excess tags also removed the "awaiting update" tag, this was however unintended.

 

[deepstrasz]

Play some AoS maps on the site to get more ideas of waves, lanes, items, heroes, stuff to do on the map in general besides what you already have.
Neutral mobs could come from the sides, not suddenly appear in the middle. There should however be more paths so you could circumvent them in case your HP is low and want to go back home to regenerate.

Think of roles for each caveman. Read some more about them and that period.

To make the map bigger go to the menu bar->Scenario->Size and Camera Bounds->tick the Modify Map Bounds below and note that the dimensions must be a multiple of 32 in each direction. Play with the directional arrows.

 

[deepstrasz]

Any updates? It's been over three months and the rule, well, guide says such maps should be set to Substandard.

 

[Teitan]

Hello, yeah go ahead it's been abandoned for a long time, i'm on college and i'm short on time, i do plan to make a better version but it won't come any time soon, i don't mind the substandard label at all, cheers

 

[deepstrasz]

Hello, yeah go ahead it's been abandoned for a long time, i'm on college and i'm short on time, i do plan to make a better version but it won't come any time soon, i don't mind the substandard label at all, cheers

Alright, thanks for understanding.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Music only plays in menu and scorescreen.

Hero looks exactly like the spawns, including size.

Spawns are hard to tell apart even with team-color.

Melee becomes useless at later levels, a mere 5 damage bonus (especially with multiple damage boosts) is just not worth giving up a ranged attack.

The main issue I had with this is that it's too slow, any real progress made is checked by the NH creeps appearing. There's also no way to improve the spawns.

 

[Teitan]

Hey there Cleavinghammer, yeah this is a very basic map and honestly pretty bad, wouldn't recommend it, it was my first attempt ever at the world editor, and i think i overestimated the gameplay value of it.

To the moderator(s): Feel free to remove this if you need to free up space, i did try to fix it and had a slightly better version of the map but i lost it along with a failed HDD, and i don't know if i'll touch it again.

To everyone: you have my blessing to cannibalize the map if you find something useful in it (map is not protected), just remember to give credit to the creators of the custom models if you happen to use any of them (they're listed in description above)