@MasterBlaster thank you sir for good conversations and some good points. + rep for you No. I just think that they overestimated themselves and that they are greedy which they showed few times regarding Reforged. I know this of course. But Blizzard is not company. They are corporation! We are not talking about you, me, and some individual or small company to make statements such as ,,hey he mistaken/development reasons/changing plans/ etc... we are talking about someone whose is billionaire. People should always know this and be harsh to corporations because they earn huge money, often from hoaxes. And they often get free from it, because obviosly people rarely charge them for false advertisements and such. ,,we probably should agree to disagree" With all due respect sir, you are wrong here. We can agree or disagree for example that man can live forever, that 5+5=11, that planet is center of universe just like in middle age, but our agreeing or disagreeing wont change fact that people eventually die (at max after 100 years and some), that 5 and 5 are 10 and that our planet rotates around sun. There are opinions and there are facts. You learned that in school and real life, what is categorized under opinion (color, clothes and everything matters of taste), but some stuff are just fact. As fact is that they accepted money for stuff they marketed and turned out to be false advertisement. This is crime/felony whatever is called in any reasonable countries and is punished. But of course this wont happen here. ,,consensus in that matter as it is one based on personal beliefs, not rational arguments." So, personnel belief is that they accepted money for product they marketed. I think that this is proven as fact, which you confirmed yourself here in next quote Exactly! I apologize if I sounded wrong or you could not understand me, but this is what I tried to write as main problem of all problems here. They described product as it is, and it stays even now at official site, then later they said that many stuff wont be there. BUT MEANWHILE THEY ACCEPTED MONEY! There is no arguing over that. This happened and that is clear as day. Now we can have personnel opinions and beliefs what should happen next, why did that happen and such. My belief is that they are greedy as any corporation. You can agree or not with that, even not, you may be right. But this is my opinion: Since this happened, they had two choices> Choice 1: They could still finish all promised until 31. december by hiring much more people. They wont (because it will affect their money of course), which proves that they are greedy. Choice 2: because of incomplete game (to what previous was advertized) they should decrease price for game. They still did not do it, so they think that it is worth same price as before (even without big expensive features like cutscenes which cost greatly to justify that price). In fact they did not even apologized properly for it. In fact people like you do not push them hard to learn that they have responsibility to customers. So, I am not even arguing with you here on this one. I just want to explain you this thing: We agreed here on this one. Okay, so whats next? Thats right nothing. They wont get punished for it, nothing happened. They would return money to disappointing people and continue with bad behaviors (as they did before, but this one is just disgusting, I think worse what they could do so far, but correct me please if I am wrong as I do not know what happens to other games under Blizzard now). What would I do if I am in charge is that now I would go there, punish them so much for this crap that they would hardly recover from it, so they would think next time twice before accepting money from people for incomplete product. Believe it or not, but even during 90s when my country was under inflation, wars and such, when we were shithole country, my grandfather purchased car which was advertised from factory directly. And they gave him cheaper and weaker version for same price. He sued them and won! In failed country this worked, can you imagined me seeing this in late 2019!!!!! Only difference is that Blizzard gives you option to get back money, but I believe that they should not have option to accept money for product which is far different from what they promoted. I believe you. I cannot argue with you even if I wish, because I have moral obligation to note that I do not play Diablo and other games besides Wc3, and aside from what happens with Reforged, I cannot make assumptions or argue about anything else, but to accept what I am told. You have point here completely. I do not think that you are also right here, but I may be wrong. First because you have no evidence or proof or anything that we should set up as ,,enough or sufficient" numbers of customers to base our opinions or not. When you sell 100 products, and now your remaster or whatever sells 80, then you obviously lose 20 customers. But even here with precise statistics you cannot determine how many potential customers you lose. here I trust you more than Blizzard, in fact I do not trust them before this at all. I wait and see, no more promises. But all we have is what they believe, expect or what to be ,,sufficient". I am not maybe right, but at least partially or for good part of this I have point. here is why, In my country we have sentence ,,Good voice is heard loudly, but bad voice is much louder", which literally means that when someone does something good (good to humanity, anyone) it travels and affects some people. But when someone does bad things (crime or such), as worse it travels far more and affects much more people, to bad scale. So, it is not fair that we make assumptions that they lose certain numbers of people when I read in official forums that Blizzard got bashed lot, many angry users, and in many places worldwide. Its not definitively small amount of people. Another thing is my surroundings. In past, my friends and I were fans of WC, some more, some less, (beside for comamnd and conquer) we were almost daily to play both C&C and Wc3 in net coffees/game rooms for hours. Believe me or not, but now I cannot get single person who is interested in Reforged. For two reasons: Either lost interested in Wc3 at all or because of craps what they did recently. People do not know much about reforged, but they already heard about ,,false advertisements" and angry users regarding patches and such. Last night I had conversations with few of them, and I repeat, I cannot get single person to be interested in this. And you think that I am negative towards it? No in fact I want this game to success. I want us to play again, to see new models, to test stuff, to bring partially back. But nobody is interested, and some are disappointing. Only one man I know to be interested in reforged, but even he did not bought it, he got gift from his brother from Vienna. I have two cousins only whose play WOW and played Heroes of the storm. One is not interested and another one said he will consider if he will ever buy it. So overally from my surroundings, people i know, only one has Reforged (which got as gift) and another one said he will consider. But again, this may be exeption and not real status of popularity overally. However I am 100% sure that it is not small amount of people. No, I did not notice it, or did not pay attention honestly so I can agree here with you. And someone should fired lawsuit as I already wrote. And this should be in main gaming news worldwide as HOAX with big letters as example to other companies to never do similar again. But yes, I heard that too lot here in Hive. I cannot even name people being disappointing and offended by this because there are many of them. I can agree you here as well although it is questionable because I saw many people claiming that they preordered it mostly because cutscenes. For me personally, again, I did not expect anything more from them. I just expect redesigned models and new models for campaign units and campaigns and thats it. As bonus I was happy with cutscenes! But I was shocked to hear that this is not going to happen in final version especially after they started accepting money for promised things. Oh tell me according to you, whose fault is for this crap (in company)?