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[chopinski]

Are you talking about Reforged before when the FPS was better? If not, well, Reforged will eat loads of resources.

Yeah, i was getting basically 200 fps in reforged before this patch, even under heavier loads. I'm glad they fixed custom models partially but i hope its not the cause for this crappy performance, because it wouldnt make any sense, since they they have lower polly count and details than the new ones.

 

[MasterHaosis]

@chopinski it is чопински. You must be Russian right?

All trolls are cannibals (at least the forest and ice ones; I assume the dark ones too; actually even the Darkspear judging by Rokhan's quote: "I've lost my head! It was ye big. I was keeping it on my spear. If you see it let me know"), well, it's actually an incorrect adjective since they eat their prey raw. It doesn't specify they eat other trolls.

I believe that Dark trolls are same too. They share similar appearance, same ranks, weaponry, huts, everything. Only difference is skin color depending of environment they live in (green for forest, blue for cold and purple for ashenvalle), and few magics (fire for forest, frost for cold and sleep for dark). So perhaps they eat similar things as well on menu
Only jungle trolls (those with orcs) are different.

It was a Star Trek Borg joke since you miswrote Furbolg.

Oh yeah, I misspelled it. Hey, I think I saw once those corrupted one, they got new models in reforged perhaps instead of green tint

 

[deepstrasz]

Only jungle trolls (those with orcs) are different.

Not really, lol. They're a copycat of the forest trolls, basically and only made look nice because the RoC Horde is supposed to be nice.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Animated campaign screens are back!

Animated menu background is back too!

 

[stein123]

Not really, lol. They're a copycat of the forest trolls, basically and only made look nice because the RoC Horde is supposed to be nice.

yeah, like dalaran humans and lordaeron humans and kul'tiran humans, or wildhammer dwarves and dark iron dwarves, all are exactly the same! just recolors without anymore differences, right deeps?

 

[chopinski]

@chopinski it is чопински. You must be Russian right?

Nope, Brazilian! Chopinski is a gnome from Left 4 Dead 2, didnt know it was a Russian name.

 

[deepstrasz]

yeah, like dalaran humans and lordaeron humans and kul'tiran humans, or wildhammer dwarves and dark iron dwarves, all are exactly the same! just recolors without anymore differences, right deeps?

Not really, lol. Some of those human factions are really various.

Animated campaign screens are back!

Sweet mamma mia, we got a custom Maiev loading screen instead of the Archer ported to a different background.
But they look like animated drawings and are not as lively as the original game's 3D models.

didnt know it was a Russian name.

Think it's actually Polish.

 

[chopinski]

Think it's actually Polish.

Well, google translator recognizes it as macedonian ahha.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Sweet mamma mia, we got a custom Maiev loading screen instead of the Archer ported to a different background.
But they look like animated drawings and are not as lively as the original game's 3D models.

I think the menu background and NE screen with the Archer look the best, the rest are okay too, though I see your point that they are obviously a more "animated art" instead of 3D style. But... I won't complain, I'm happy these animations are back, because I was half afraid that they will just stick with static art.

Still, adding things like this to the beta client is a good sign that release is getting closer, because somehow I don't think that animating campaign backgrounds were high on their to do list or at least not higher than the in-game stuff.

P.S. As a side note, I've watched some videos with my screen brightness turned down by around 20-25% and... it really does make Reforged look significantly better. Hm...

 

[MasterHaosis]

Not really, lol. They're a copycat of the forest trolls, basically and only made look nice because the RoC Horde is supposed to be nice.

But they have spear throwers instead of axe throwers and they have withcdoctors instead of priestes. Instead of heall and buffs they have those wards. They look and behave completely different to me. Ah yes and vodoo users unlike other trolls.

Nope, Brazilian!

Oh! So they have people with long white beard with bear skin at their heads then there?
haha you fooled me at appearance.

@MasterBlaster man you kill me with those videos today. Good job for you +rep
BLAST THEM!!!!
ALSO NOOOOOOOOOOO I must protest and complain. Best scene ever is that Sunken ruins with Archer. In background awesome ruins, with cracks and green tone, awesome palsm and jungle vibes, bird noise and waterfalls! This one sucks for me, I do not like it. They should recreate original one and put Maiev instead of Archer.

 

[deepstrasz]

Well, google translator recognizes it as macedonian ahha.

Stupid, lol. Macedonians now speak Bulgarian by the way.

But they have spear throwers instead of axe throwers and they have withcdoctors instead of priestes. Instead of heall and buffs they have those wards. They look and behave completely different to me. Ah yes and vodoo users unlike other trolls.

I'm pretty sure there are some cauldrons with heads and skulls seen with them in some chapters.
Also, they use voodoo magic exactly like any other troll society, especially the forest ones. So no, not unlike other trolls. They also have the regeneration and berserk traits.

This one sucks for me, I do not like it. They should recreate original one and put Maiev instead of Archer.

Well, yeah, to be honest. I guess they made it look like WoW?

 

[Edhel-dur]

@Edhel-dur do not listen him! Throw him again that video!
(I see that you are Night Elf fan since you have one in avatar)

That's actually a character from League of Legends named Diana

You are kinda right, because Diana is basically linked to the moon, so do the Night Elves. The crescent moon is a theme I really enjoy! So you really aren't all that far off thematically.

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I dislike the new models with sick abs. I think part of what made Wc3 great, graphically, was the lower fidelity, because it allowed your brain to fill in the gaps with things you enjoyed. If you enjoyed sick abs, you would imagine Dryads had them. I always thought Dryads were slim yes, but far from having sick abs. Demon Hunters, now I understood why they would have sick abs, they certainly looked like the type who would train everyday so they can become better and in their best physical form when encountering enemies.

Wc3R models look great, but they feel more towards first person / third person RPG rather than isometric view of RTS. When viewed from above, I really don't need to see the sick abs. You know, for me, magic, demons, flying cities, giant trees, rebirth and resurrection, all of these feel great to me and realistic (in a fantasy theme), but sick abs do not. Because it feels like everyone had the same life-style.... an Orc grunt, a Night Elf Archer, a High Elf Sorceress, they were ALL focused on having these really sick abs, which require a great amount of time to maintain. And to be frank, I'm not sure I would feel attracted by a real life woman with sick abs. Because I look at them and I'm like "oh my god, that's your life". I really expect that none of the units named before are able to go to war, because they need to keep up with physical exercises to keep those sick abs... sick.

Yes I have a problems with sick abs!

I really enjoy them on the Orcs to be fair. Because I imagine, in times of peace, Orcs still fight each other for the fun of it. They fight for the last drop of ale, they fight for the right to mate for a woman, they fight to teach their son a lesson, and that fighting, is the way of the Orcs, how they show their social status.

But I don't imagine all the female night elves fighting amongst themselves, with dirt and.... well... that goes a different route But you guys get what I'm saying. Sure, maybe Night Elves jump from tree to tree, are super agile and flexible, but they don't need sick abs for that.

I rest my case against sick abs.

 

[Venombite]

@MasterHaosis all trolls were cannibalistic, even the Darkspear. In fact jungle trolls are the most cannibalistic of all. Darkspear stop being cannibalistic when they joined Thrall's Horde in Demo campaign, Thrall forbade it. All the other jungle troll's are cannibalistic. The main jungle trolls, the Gurubashi, are the most cannibalistic of all trolls, don't know if they're even mentioned in Wc3, though.
All trolls hate all elves, cause during the reign of Azshara, night elven empire masacred the trolls, only spearing troll Capital, cayse it agreed to pay rediculously high fee to the elves. That's part of the reason why forest trolls hate high/blood elves. So that's why dark trolls hate nigght elves.
As for the furbolgs, I'm pretty sure that they aren't green in Maiev first chapter cause of an oversight, same goes for wildkin, also night elven allies. As for the furbolgs in RoC (ignoring TfT), the ones atop Mount Hyjal are clearly not corrupted, and thus allies of the night elves. Also it feels right to have them after everything you've done for them througout the campaign. I can't say that for the Dark Trolls.

 

[Augustus]

Blizzard, I know you will read this so here is a humble request.

I can see all the effort that went into this and I really like it but it's obvious it needs more time in the oven. I know it's probably not the developers' decision how big a budget a game is but this is THE game that made you famous. No WC3, no WoW. You NEED to get this right. PLEASE consider giving it 6 more months. You have everything to lose if you don't. It's about the company reputation, not just about money. You have just one more month to deliver and I don't think that is enough. What is some money lost compared to the loss of reputation?

 

[deepstrasz]

I imagine, in times of peace, Orcs still fight each other for the fun of it. They fight for the last drop of ale

You mean, dwarves xD

I rest my case against sick abs.

Yeah, males are steroid maniacs and all female models come out of the gym. It's like this game has become a beauty contest. I bet males are all depilated too.

the Gurubashi, are the most cannibalistic of all trolls, don't know if they're even mentioned in Wc3, though.

Only as Forest Trolls. But that usually referred to the Zul'Amani. From WoW's location of Zul'Gurub in Stranglethorn Vale it looks like these are Darkspear trolls?

That's part of the reason why forest trolls hate high/blood elves. So that's why dark trolls hate nigght elves.

Actually, that's the WoW story. Dark Trolls had this thing with ni-elves and Forest Trolls with hi-elves, the latter because the elves keep invading their lands. And Warcraft II says the trolls were raiding the elves under Zuljin It also says that Stromgarde has been at war with the trolls for a long history. Then it says the trolls have suffered years of attrition at the hands of humans, elves and dwarves

 

[stein123]

They added a low poly female DH for the SD version :O

 

[Venombite]

Only as Forest Trolls. But that usually referred to the Zul'Amani. From WoW's location of Zul'Gurub in Stranglethorn Vale it looks like these are Darkspear trolls?

Actually, that's the WoW story. Dark Trolls had this thing with ni-elves and Forest Trolls with hi-elves, the latter because the elves keep invading their lands. And Warcraft II says the trolls were raiding the elves under Zuljin It also says that Stromgarde has been at war with the trolls for a long history. Then it says the trolls have suffered years of attrition at the hands of humans, elves and dwarves

There are couple of troll species: forst trolls, jungle trolls, ice trolls, sand trolls etc.....
Forest trolls are green skined and live in Lordaeron. There are many forest troll tribes, but the Amani are the most powerful. All forest trolls were once part of the forest troll empire, but the amani were the most powerful and the Capital was Zul'Aman. Forest troll empire was first destroyed by the night elves, then came the Sundering, then high elves battled the remenants, untill the humans came. Forming the first human nation of Arator, with Stromgard as the Capital, and they allied with the high elves, who thought them magic, and they massacred the remaining forest trolls, leveaing only a few survivors.
Jungle trolls are blue skined and live in tropical areas. Again there are many jungle troll tribes, all of them once being part of the jungle troll empire, but Gurubashi being the most powerful, and Zul'Gurub the Capital. Same thing as with the forest trolls, except that jungle trolls (Gurubashi) are still dominant in Stranglethorn Vale, while were exterminated by humans in the other areas. Darspear is one of the smallest jungle troll tribes, that happened to ally with Thrall and Horde, and turn their backs on other jungle trolls.

Blizzard, I know you will read this so here is a humble request.

I can see all the effort that went into this and I really like it but it's obvious it needs more time in the oven. I know it's probably not the developers' decision how big a budget a game is but this is THE game that made you famous. No WC3, no WoW. You NEED to get this right. PLEASE consider giving it 6 more months. You have everything to lose if you don't. It's about the company reputation, not just about money. You have just one more month to deliver and I don't think that is enough. What is some money lost compared to the loss of reputation?

Sadly I think this isn't true. Reforged is just a side project, and a thing they were most likely willing to "sacrifice" so that the main projects(*cough*Overwatch 2*cough*Diablo 4*cough*) could be done right and the best way possible.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Apparently there is a "Teen HD" option for Reforged that makes models more Chin... Teen-friendly.

Here's an example:

a) Teen HD:

Spoiler

b) Normal HD:

Spoiler

Source: Stevan Mitrovic on Twitter

 

[deepstrasz]

There are couple of troll species: forst trolls, jungle trolls, ice trolls, sand trolls etc.....

and ActiBlizz trolls, lol.

Forest trolls are green skined and live in Lordaeron. There are many forest troll tribes, but the Amani are the most powerful.

And within the Zul'Amani there are other factions and within them others like in Illidan's vision
This doesn't make sense. There were Forest Troll at the same time as Dark Trolls but only one type of elf at that moment?
Way to create an expanded universe to shoot yourself in the foot.

Apparently there is a "Teen HD" option for Reforged that makes models more Chin... Teen-friendly.

:\ lol and no blood I guess.

Lol, that sort of edit? This is unbearably silly. I hope it's not true. Not that I don't prefer a non goat headed horse instead.

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Warcraft III Reforged - Datamining Hints for Male Death Knight and Demon Hunter Heroes with voiceovers
Warcraft III Reforged Story Campaign Backgrounds

Meh, they made custom lines for the DK for the pissed parts but the attack, move and yes sounds are copied lines. They also replaced the melee male DK voices with the same line as the female.

Same with the DH voice lines. They changed the pissed lines. Also, the voice is too contemporary American. The DH male also changed. The voice is neat though but it was not needed to change.

Bottom line is, they should have added full custom lines for the female versions but not change the voice of the original male versions.

 

[MasterBlaster]

I hope it's not true

Well, the info comes from the guy who does datamining for wowhead, so it's definetely legit. The only question is if what he found is a part of some scrapped feature or something that we'll actually get.

 

[Tamplier]

my post is probably little bit late, but does anybody noticed that undead birth model as well as other undead buildings are too clean? Original texture was a bit darker and creepy, dirt and rotten, and now we have some fancy colors?

 

[Venombite]

There were Forest Troll at the same time as Dark Trolls but only one type of elf at that moment?

Yes, there were many types of trolls ,which evolved during the milennia, when a tribe of Dark Trolls found the well of eternity and stated to evolve into Night Elves (far superior beings in every way). Different types of elves emerged after the Sundering.

A few more teen stuff, I guess some stuff look too much like winnie the pooh, lol.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ6cHYNXYAIa7EK.jpg:large

 

[deepstrasz]

Different types of elves emerged after the Sundering.

Really? I know of only the night elves from WoW. Did they retcon it further?
Wait. After, yes, the high elves and the newly made Suramarians?

 

[Venombite]

Really? I know of only the night elves from WoW. Did they retcon it further?
Wait. After, yes, the high elves and the newly made Suramarians?

You forgot Void Elves, and San'layn.
I think Chin....teen Sapphiron just look lame.

 

[deepstrasz]

You forgot Void Elves, and San'layn.

Those are even later. But San'layn?

I think Chin....teen Sapphiron just look lame.

Picture please

 

[Venombite]

Those are even later. But San'layn?

Picture please

And here is the.....adult (I guess) ones, to compare

Can't wait to se Chin....teen Abomination. That's gonna be hilarious.

 

[Augustus]

You mean, dwarves xD

Yeah, males are steroid maniacs and all female models come out of the gym. It's like this game has become a beauty contest. I bet males are all depilated too.

Well, modern fantasy is not derived only from Tolkien but also from epic poems such as the Iliad and the Odyssey (to name a few). When I was reading them, I couldn't stop thinking about Warcraft. The poems go to great lengths describing the physiques and epic backstories of even the most insignificant soliders. So the common grunts are already pretty epic, then you have the minor heroes and princes after which you have the major heroes like Achilles, who is basically superhuman and finally the gods. So in these kinds of stories the men are always the most handsome, strong and courageous and the women always are the most beautiful and are masters of different handicrafts such as weaving.

Warcraft does things similarly such as the common soldiers (Grunts, Footmen), who are already impressive after which more famous but not quite world class hero NPCs come (Captain Falric, Shandris etc.) and above them are the even more impressive heroes (Arthas, Illidan etc). So if you look at it from that perspective then it makes a lot of sense.

Also, while muscles are harder to gain, visible abs are mostly determined by body weight. On top of that, add healthy, nutritious, protein-rich food devoid of modern preservatives. Considering their diet, how much physical exercise, training and running elves do, it's not completely unrealistic.

Besides, in a world of constant war, you'd better be in shape.

 

[stein123]

An undead Qilin? yeah, that's definitively targeted for teenagers X'D

 

[deepstrasz]

Well, modern fantasy is not derived only from Tolkien but also from epic poems such as the Iliad and the Odyssey (to name a few). The poems go to great lengths describing the physiques and epic backstories of even the most insignificant soliders. So the common grunts are already pretty epic, then you have the minor heroes and princes after that you have the major heroes like Achilles, who is basically superhuman and finally the gods. So in these kinds of stories the men are always the most handsome, strong and courageous and the women always are the most beautiful and are masters of different handicrafts.

Yeah, only they didn't have the gym devices and substances of today Not to mention their diet was really not what one would consider healthy.

An undead Qilin?

What, where?

And here is the.....adult (I guess) ones, to compare

How's that so different as in more "safe"? This is insanity.

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Check this weirdness

 

[stein123]

What, where?

female dk's chi...teen mount is a horse with a dragon head, a qilin

 

[deepstrasz]

female dk's chi...teen mount is a horse with a dragon head, a qilin

Oh... that helmet. Well, I don't know if it actually represents that Chinese creature but anyway, these "teen" versions don't look less grim at all.

 

[stein123]

Oh... that helmet. Well, I don't know if it actually represents that Chinese creature but anyway, these "teen" versions don't look less grim at all.

That's not a helmet

 

[deepstrasz]

That's not a helmet

OK, might not be then. Weird, regardless.

 

[MasterHaosis]

Updated pitlords

 

[deepstrasz]

Updated pitlords

Where does that fire come from now? It used to be literally in the demon's skull and even inhaled/exhaled through the pitlords mouth.

Basically the update is the fire FX.

 

[MasterHaosis]

haha it turns out to be from neck and back! But look at their faces, they look awesome. I like models. Those green ones have green flame, purple pit lord has regular flame.
MORE DEMONS!

 

[chopinski]

I noticed one think during my tests. When i Alt Tabbed the game and opened the Task Manager it was reporting 5 instances of the Reforged, which might explain the performance issues i'm having, Although only one window is showing in the menu bar.

 

[Edhel-dur]

You mean, dwarves xD

You mean to say the Second War never happened and that Orcs didn't discover ale when they conquered some Dwarven lands?

 

[deepstrasz]

You mean to say the Second War never happened and that Orcs didn't discover ale when they conquered some Dwarven lands?

I'm saying that type of behaviour is not native to orcs. However, if you play Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans...

haha it turns out to be from neck and back! But look at their faces, they look awesome. I like models. Those green ones have green flame, purple pit lord has regular flame.
MORE DEMONS!

This is how Pit lord fire and heads should look like:

 

[Augustus]

@deepstrasz

I am referring to the Night Elves. They probably eat lots of veggies, fruits and free-range animal meat. Add lots of challenging trips in the wilderness and you'll get abs in no time. As for gym equipment, you can do a lot with basic weights. No need for super fancy stuff. In fact, an olympic bar and a few dumbells are the bread and butter of gym exercises. You have to work out a LOT to get anywhere near someone like Illidan but considering the backstory of Demon Hunters, I guess brutal physical exercise is only the first part of their daily routine. Don't forget they also get infused with demon kool aid. Druids become attuned to their bear form which influences their physiology and so on.

I see lots of potential in those Sorceress pics. If every unit has this, it could mean more model variety.

 

[Venombite]

For me the biggest problem with the Night Elves is Archer's animations, they are strange (and some what trollish).

It's the most important unit of the race and it should look somehow better. Hope it's not finished. Does High Elven Archer have the same animations?
Don't you think that this standing animation would fit a lot better?

 

[Augustus]

@Venombite

I think the original ones have the same crouching pose.

 

[Venombite]

@Venombite

I think the original ones have the same crouching pose.

No, they just do some squats from time to time, otherwise they are upright, I would acctuallz like if they did squats for time, but not have a troll poisture all the time.

 

[deepstrasz]

considering the backstory of Demon Hunters, I guess brutal physical exercise is only the first part of their daily routine.

Do they have slaves? Who brings in resources, food etc.?

No, they just do some squats from time to time, otherwise they are upright, I would acctuallz like if they did squats for time, but not have a troll poisture all the time.

They are ambushers. They use bushes and the night to strike at their enemies. They are not direct warriors like Sentinels or Huntresses.

I don't like the abusive purple which is not team coloured on night elven units.

 

[Venombite]

They are ambushers. They use bushes and the night to strike at their enemies. They are not direct warriors like Sentinels or Huntresses.

That argument doesn't stand. Shandris and Sylvanas are both archer and don't have that rediculous poisture. Rifflemen too are ambushers that shoot from the bushes, but again don't have that trollish poisture.

 

[MasterHaosis]

This is how Pit lord fire and heads should look like:

I know of course, that is good old Manorth. But here they made flame emitting from neck and back haha. But faces are awesome! Not matter Wc3, WOW or reforged version, Pit Lords always have that funny arrogant agressive face. And that is default face

They probably eat lots of veggies, fruits and free-range animal meat. Add lots of challenging trips in the wilderness and you'll get abs in no time. As for gym equipment, you can do a lot with basic weights. No need for super fancy stuff. In fact, an olympic bar and a few dumbells are the bread and butter of gym exercises.

OLYMPIC GYM VEGGIE FOOD HAHAHAHAHA
Man this is just game. They wanted them to make it like that, there is no logic in it. Look at demons for example, they are always fit (except for few ones). Succubus for example according to your logic also eat veggie food and has some ,,tree" ambush life style, thats how she got fit!
hahahahah

 

[deepstrasz]

That argument doesn't stand. Shandris and Sylvanas are both archer and don't have that rediculous poisture. Rifflemen too are ambushers that shoot from the bushes, but again don't have that trollish poisture.

In the original they stand on bent knees. Here, they stand like posing for a photoshoot.

 

[MasterHaosis]

@deepstrasz haha since people talk about women and beauty contest in Wc3, which one is fitter. Everyone forgets succubus and how she is holding whip... (you know, almost whole naked woman holding whip ) this is not accidental.

 

[deepstrasz]

@deepstrasz haha since people talk about women and beauty contest in Wc3, which one is fitter. Everyone forgets succubus and how she is holding whip... (you know, almost whole naked woman holding whip ) this is not accidental.

Demons are different. They don't have to workout. They can use mind tricks.

 

[Null]

I really want bank files and please make them based on the account not local.
Last time i played 2 months a cool arcade from sc2 on my uncle s laptop and because the files were local at home i couldn t get my advantage back. Well... i had to teach my uncle to use the dropbox so i could get my progress back ,but please make it account based.