Moderators scaring away newcomers (maps)!

[Ricardo Irving]

I would like to shame Rui and some other people, and other moderators for their bad treatment of newbies, due to newbies not knowing about the update button for maps, and negative reputationing them. This will drive newbies away, of which could of became excellent modders or such, or may even put the moderators on a banlist... Why could Rui and Elenai simply warn these newbies?

 

[WraithSeeker]

Did you miss this?

You may upload your map once and only once.
To upload a new version, update your map by clicking the button above the map's name, or by going to [My Maps] and updating from there.

By uploading a map, you agree to:
Adhere to these rules and the general site rules,
Respect the decisions of the Maps Moderation Team, and
Address all questions and complaints to the Maps Resource Moderation forum.

I personally think that giving them negative rep is good enough, having spam is worst in the resource section.

 

[Pharaoh_]

You could post some examples maybe, not everyone here spies over mods' actions and statements.

 

[Linaze]

Common sense.
If you had a thread in Map Development instead, would you create a new one each time you add a new screenshot or write about a new feature?

 

[Solecompanysole]

Well there is an edit button on your thread everyone should know that ...but well it isn't fair that the moderators give -rep for that they should inform the member and then delete the old or the new thread witch one decides the member ofc!

 

[Linaze]

Please do not double post in threads or make two of the same thread. We have an edit button for a reason, if you accidently double posted/threaded, please delete it before we do.

Uploading the same map twice could be considered making two of the same thread, which goes against the rules.

 

[Ricardo Irving]

By considered, you mean you are desperately trying to find something to persecute these newbies. However, its also talking about the edit button. "We have an edit button for a reason". What about that? You cant remove your map with the edit button, then delete message, can you?

I personally think that giving them negative rep is good enough, having spam is worst in the resource section.

You are a big bad meanie! They didn't mean to spam! This has more original rules then other sites, and they probably go "No flaming no trolling no porn stuff no hostile stuff etc"...

 

[WraithSeeker]

Posting a new verison of your map in another thread is just so wrong.

Can you moderate all the spam all these newbies give? Do you know how how annoying it is to moderate things that make no sense or are just spam?

What makes you think they didn't mean to spam?

 

[Ricardo Irving]

Everything. Did they flame anybody? Troll anybody? Annoy anybody (other then 2 times upload)? They are simply newbies, who don't know something. This attitude must be what is with the DoTA community. Thanks for this breakthrough.

 

[oh_snap]

It's neg rep. I mean, seriously? I could understand if you were complaining about infractions, but neg rep is such a minor issue.

~Snap

 

[xp3r009]

I would recommend that when they first register, that they will be guided to a brief set of rules (not too long) so that they will understand few concepts which they must follow and what is expected from them from The Hive Workshop. Probably a quick learning curve should do so that they will understand and eventually flow off really well. I am seeing good for this reason, however some are just not listening and otherwise continue, not realizing what they have done. Some etiquette would they understand well and apply it here.

I can see from the Members List, there are so many users which are rather left empty. The interface should make it easy for users to understand such things here; when I joined, it was easy to get through and eventually I uploaded a tool and knew I can updated instead of making multiple instances of it.

Yes, I can see some new users have been banned with only few posts, but I have seen some which have been given warnings before they have been given a negative reputation. It seems some repeat and fail to expect what is been told. The only thing I would like to suggest here is that some people will otherwise know what to do, as long as they know the rules firstly. They would become some excellence, however if they don't understand such things then they won't get there.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Nobody cares and those who do shouldn't.

 

[Septimus]

You said you have read, understood and agree to abide by the rules.

You cannot blame anyone if you failed to abide by it, considering you say yes to the agreement. If you are making a business deal with somebody, you cannot back off from the deal after you sign the contract. The same goes here.

that they will be guided to a brief set of rules (not too long) so that they will understand few concepts which they must follow and what is expected from them from The Hive Workshop.

The set of rules is already at the pages where they are uploading the sources.

 

[Kwah]

If they can't use the update button, I don't want 'em.

 

[Zombie]

Elenai is a map mod?

On a serious note, I personally don't think that a few points of reputation loss could be taken as more than a simple warning. I usually don't neg re-uploaders if they do it for the first time, but it's just personal preference, anyone else who does simply does his job. I don't know why people make such a fuss about rep itself anyway.

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

Elenai is a map mod?

elven mod*

 

[En_Fuego]

Doesn't it tell you to use the Update button instead of making new uploads when you're uploading a map?

 

[V.I]

I think what he is trying to say is that there's nothing wrong with warning people first, if they keep doing it then 'negative rep' (whatever that is) them. I don't see the hive as an elitist website, otherwise I wouldn't have signed up, so lets not turn into one...?

 

[~Void~]

Seriously guys; we should totally go easy on the newbies who don't read the rules. Yeah. Shame the staff members who are doing their job right. Uh huh. Not gonna happen.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Elenai is not even a map moderator.... Why are you dragging him into this?

Anyway, If they did it once, one of the maps should be deleted and the other one have a post informing him to not do it again.

If he does it again then -rep / infract.

Then again I generally do not punish people.

 

[~Void~]

I think what he is trying to say is that there's nothing wrong with warning people first, if they keep doing it then 'negative rep' (whatever that is) them. I don't see the hive as an elitist website, otherwise I wouldn't have signed up, so lets not turn into one...?

Negrep is a warning.

 

[M4stah]

If just 75% of all these ''scared noobs'' would just present their map and get it tested in map development first this wouldn't happen. And negrep is nothing, as rep has no REAL meaning.

 

[V.I]

So why does rep exist at all?

- VI

 

[~Void~]

So why does rep exist at all?

- VI

For fun.

Honestly, people need to stop being such idiots and posting threads like this. I suggest a close.

 

[Elenai]

LOLOLOL!

I have a question...

What exactly did I do again?

 

[GhostWolf]

Oh, yet another user crying out loud because he got a negative number added to a number located on this site...the poor guy.

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/3-heros-zombie-v0-925-protected-134599/ This is what newbs do. He reuploaded this map 7 times after it being rejected. Should we go give him a cookie?

Elenai- El Cucko El Crazio El OH NOESSSS

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

I would like to shame Rui and Elenai, and other moderators for their bad treatment of newbies, due to newbies not knowing about the update button for maps, and negative reputationing them. This will drive newbies away, of which could of became excellent modders or such, or may even put the moderators on a banlist... Why could Rui and Elenai simply warn these newbies?

Shame denied. I'll give them cookies, though, for doing their job.

 

[Kwaliti]

If a person is a newbie, even though that most of them are missing half a brain to spot a big ass list of rules, let alone read them, it doesn't mean that they should get any special treatment. Rules are rules; either they're sticking to them or they can get the hell out of here if they don't like it.

 

[Linaze]

Actually I think he was referring to me, and not Elenai.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Yes even still, he has yet to appologize for the mix up.

If he has a complaint he should atleast refer to the correct people.

 

[~Void~]

i.e. Admin Contact.

Close now please.

 

[~Void~]

or may even put the moderators on a banlist

I just read this. It made me cry streams of lmaonnaise out my nose.

 

[xp3r009]

You said you have read, understood and agree to abide by the rules.

You cannot blame anyone if you failed to abide by it, considering you say yes to the agreement. If you are making a business deal with somebody, you cannot back off from the deal after you sign the contract. The same goes here.



The set of rules is already at the pages where they are uploading the sources.

Yes, that's true. Haven't been in the Tools much lately uploading, but usually you would get that when you want to upload something as such (eg. Map, Tool etc...). I forgot about that, but thanks for reminding me for that. I think that solves pretty much everything .

 

[HFR]

Rules are rules.

'Nuff said.

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

HFR didnt you once tell me rules were ment to be broken (to take down MasterHaosis and the Army of Smileys) but still broken...

 

[HFR]

I never said such thing.

 

[bboy-tiger-]

Actually I have to agree with Ricardo Irving, tho he is a strange guy xD.
Well if newbie didnt FIND "readme" then that's Hive problem now newbie's fault...

Try to highlight those rules somehow. And make them short as you can coz only few read the rules.

 

[M4stah]

When you first joined teh Hive did you take 15 minutes to read the rules? I didn't, and a lot also didn't do that I think. These ''newcomers'' think WAY to easily about uploading their map according to me. When I read a review of a rejected map, its always polite and clear. Its the user reviews like ''WTF GAY SHIT MAP F U 1/10000000'' that make the newcomers angry.

 

[Ricardo Irving]

Thats the point. Apologies for the mix-up, as I think it was Elenador. They are super-polite, yet their actual actions are more sinister.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

As if anyone can be fucked reading all the rules and agreements and shit. They just click yes and upload.

 

[ike_ike]

Eleandor isn't a map mod either.

And he's blatantly evil.

 

[Davjo]

You're right Ricardo Irving
im here new and im a newbie at mapmakeing and my 2 maps are rejectet.
i was angry and uploaded other maps but i know that i made a mistake.

i uploaded one of my best maps.
but Linaze SAYS: dont upload maps that are not belong you.
BUT THIS WAS MY BEST MAP! WHY IM NOT ALLOWED TO UPLOAD MAPS?

 

[Ricardo Irving]

+ rep for your enduring struggle.

 

[Davjo]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They will ban me because i made bad maps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
But i made a cool map and Linaze says that isnt my map but it is my map


Edit: read signature

 

[Joe-black-5]

What the heck?
What is the purpose of typing that way? It will only encourage the community to reject you.
try acting more mature than this :/.

 

[bboy-tiger-]

Well Davjo, realize that this site is quite serious. Its not like some random wc3 site. They have their stuff, they do their stuff, good.

If they rejected the map, there was a reason for that related with rules. Hive is kinda strange site... it has 15% of dota community behavior.

 

[Davjo]

but why im warned to ban because MY maps are rejected?

 

[Joe-black-5]

check the words next to your negative reputation in your profile.
and I guess its because you are continuing your bad behavior.
Edit: and I also noticed that you are downloading maps without permission of there owners. etc...

 

[Mechanical Man]

Whats wrong with downloading maps?