Staff Changes(?)

[Devine]

@ Will, you too? why? D:

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

It seems we have been dubbed troublemakers and don't deserve getting warned that the rules are being severely reinforced.

Look, this isn't the place and I got some answers in the Admin Contact forum, so let's tear Ralle away from GTA4 and get him to see the more important staff problems... if there are any.

 

[~Void~]

I believe Ghan has been talking to him, and I think as long as Ghan and the other admins are able to contact Ralle, his activity is not the most pressing problem.

 

[Kwah]

Which after 34 pages it seems have been resolved?

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

What IS the problem?

 

[~Void~]

Map moderators. At the moment. We've discussed solutions but... nothing has happened.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Let's do random changes. Eventually we'll get it right.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Let's do random changes. Eventually we'll get it right.

You mean that Dusk must have the member list infront off him, close his eyes, whirl his finger in a circle, tap it on the list, open his eyes and than finally see who his new moderator is?

And if that person gets elected, s/he'll must then do his/her job or face the consequences.

I like it.

 

[Ghan_04]

Please see the following thread for info on a new system designed to alleviate some of the problems brought up in this thread:

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/f101/new-standardized-rule-punishment-system-115752/#post996647

(Note: Please don't discuss the system here too much - stay on topic.)

 

[~Void~]

Or we can have auditions. Everyone start reviewing every pending map you can find!

 

[bounty hunter2]

Rui has assorted bunch of us to a mini mod group and he is testing us, can he trust us and things like that. It is a slow process but in the end it will hopefully grant some new so wanted moderators, and get back some of the old ones.

 

[~Void~]

Sounds good.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

lawl

What are we, spartans?

 

[Ghan_04]

I really am of the opinion that we should wipe the map section and start over once we have a good team of moderators.

Otherwise we'll have to do an Epicwar-like system where there is no approval process - or at least a passive-approval process.

 

[~Void~]

And epicwar is a mess, even if you use the search feature. There is NO HOPE of ever finding a map there unless you know exactly what you're looking for. I don't want Hive to have a database like that, it's really bad for up-and-coming maps that need publicity.

 

[Septimus]

I really am of the opinion that we should wipe the map section and start over once we have a good team of moderators.

Otherwise we'll have to do an Epicwar-like system where there is no approval process - or at least a passive-approval process.

Oh no, wipe off the entire data means that mapper like me, satomi and aero would have to re-upload a huge amount of our map and wrote back all those description. Which would be a pain in the ass to do so.

 

[Kimbo]

Im sure he means the pending section..i hope.

 

[bounty hunter2]

There are good maps in the pending sections too you know... You should create a script that sends a PM to the map authors that they have one week to reply or their map would get deleted, dunno if thats possible anyway.

 

[Linaze]

Delete all the pending maps, people who really cared would upload them again.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

I vote for mass private message, containing a 'You want to keep your map?'.

If button is not pressed for a week, deletion of map would be okay.

If he wants, he can just upload the map again.

 

[Linaze]

Make so you need 1 rep 5 posts to upload a map. That would heavily reduce the amount of maps that would be uploaded.

 

[Joe-black-5]

that sound good, because some people join the hive, upload 1 to 4 maps (low quality) without even looking at the rules then never appear again

and Ralle should redo what he did before: give a notice in the news about removing all pending maps in a specific time and if the owners want to keep them then they must click some button

 

[Pyritie]

Make so you need 1 rep 5 posts to upload a map. That would heavily reduce the amount of maps that would be uploaded.

That would encourage spam and rep-whoring, I'd think.

 

[Joe-black-5]

spam yes but rep whoring probably not because they need 10 rep to give rep (last time i checked) so make it 3 rep to upload a map and no posts (introduction post at least)

 

[Devine]

How a bout making a bot that controls primary rules in each map?
like map name or .... Never mind that.
but I'd sure like a "100 post before you can upload your shit"-system

 

[Pyritie]

spam yes but rep whoring probably not because they need 10 rep to give rep (last time i checked) so make it 3 rep to upload a map and no posts (introduction post at least)

Nope, anyone with ≥ 0 rep can give rep.

 

[Joe-black-5]

damn then this rule will only work and we apply more rules about rep

 

[Rui]

we need to delete all pending maps then have a procedure that only allows 4 maps to be uploaded per day that way the moderation isnt flushed. Then they can re-upload.

Deleting all the maps did not work, as it was already stated in this thread.
Allowing a maximum of 4 maps to be uploaded per day is not a good solution either. The users of the Hive do not need to be penalized for something they did not willingly contribute to.

(...)
Personally, I'd like to know the whole plan for the map section as it currently stands, like what Rui's thoughts were for it by not having mods.

I already have candidates for map moderators. I am sure I am going to promote at least 1 in the near future, but it's being a tough choice.

The best is to remove rating system. END OF STORY.

Bad idea. I previously suggested reserving the comment section only for people appointed by the director. That would include mini-moderators, which would justify their existence, a lot.

P.S. – I'm sorry but I skipped a few pages, there are lot of off-topic posts here.

 

[Linaze]

Still, I said it before. Reinstate mini-moderator for maps, and give them the power to disapprove maps they are certain would never get an approval anyways. This would lift some of the burden of the map moderators shoulders, I think.

 

[Ash]

Resource Leader <-- Moderator (3) <-- Everyone

If people use the minimod system, then the moderators could easily approve/reject the maps without having the play them himself.

 

[bounty hunter2]

And they would believe a user based on what? A comment: 5/5 great map :/

 

[Squiggy]

*breaks in, changes the topic*
Did you know that we have 44 pages of pending spells?
44*20 is 880 and that amount of spells has to be reviewed.. my suggestion is that we need more spellmoderators.
Either promote users or take mods who don't do anything into that..
*fades*

 

[Ralle]

Wow 54 pages.

I will do what I can to make the site better for all of us. But I don't believe all this is needed. For one I think General Frank is very valuable to the staff. The inactive ones should be dealt with.

I am working on changing the map section to have more quick moderation. I know this means less quality but its better than non-responsive moderators.

 

[Devine]

Hooray for General Frank!
and ralle, you should change your title into Pwner.

 

[Vegavak]

Allowing a maximum of 4 maps to be uploaded per day is not a good solution either.

Whoever came up with that number of max map uploads per day is either stupid as hell, or simply not aware that it's almost impossible to even make 1 map, that isn't a piece of crap, a day.

Hell, even 1 map upload per 7 days seems fine to me. Not only will the map spammers have to come back to upload all their crap, they would probably end up participating in the forums and eventually pump out better maps.

I know this means less quality but its better than non-responsive moderators.

What's better than non-responsive moderators?

You should know this...

Responsive ones.

And there's gotta be a way to change how many threads you view per page, Ralle. I'm counting 11 pages for this thread, 54 seems like a bit much, don't you think?

 

[Linaze]

I'd rather not see the quality of THW's map database sink even lower, there are other solutions.

 

[~Void~]

36 pages here. Regardless, it's a lot of posts to look at.

 

[Ash]

Wow 54 pages.

I will do what I can to make the site better for all of us. But I don't believe all this is needed. For one I think General Frank is very valuable to the staff. The inactive ones should be dealt with.

I am working on changing the map section to have more quick moderation. I know this means less quality but its better than non-responsive moderators.

You could make the site better by unbanning WILL, for a start

 

[~Void~]

You could make the site better by unbanning WILL, for a start

Why? Please don't make the argument that I think you're going to make.

 

[Ghan_04]

Please don't go down this off-topic road.

 

[~Void~]

Fair enough, but now that we have agreed that map moderators should be recruited and Ralle has popped in for a visit, what problems do we have to discuss that are on-topic?

 

[Bartimaeus]

Why? Please don't make the argument that I think you're going to make.

Off-Topic: For just criticisming a moderator. Probably shouldn't have flamed him at the same time, but since I have seen MasterHaosis flame other staff members, I think it's fine. If there is no rule saying that moderators cannot flame other people, then I don't think there should be one for regular users, too.

On-Topic: I think this site would do a whole lot better if there were rules for the moderators and administrators. At wc3edit.net, if I see anybody flaming/trolling anybody, whether an administrator, moderator or a regular user, I warn them, and if they've done it multiple times, then I ban them, even if they are an administrator. If you don't enforce rules on staff members, and let them get away with it, they'll keep doing it. Period. From what I've seen of this site, none of the staff really ever listen to the rules themselves. I mean, you've got your moderators screaming and yelling at users, telling them not to flame, while they're flaming worse than the user themself. Very hypocritical, if you ask me. It's impossible, IMPOSSIBLE, to have an argument here without turning it into a flame war. Which, is why me and WILL have decided that the Obsidian forums are ultimately better, because you don't have jerks flaming you left and right for disagreeing with you, unlike here. This needs to change, otherwise you cannot have people expressing their opinions without fear of retribution, which is bad. Prevent flaming, prevent trolling, but don't prevent criticism, and don't prevent people expressing their opinions. That's called a community.

 

[~Void~]

Ralle is the webmaster, not a moderator. If you're stupid enough to flame him, you deserve to be banned. If you did it because you just don't care, well then why are you here? I think WILL deserved punishment, maybe not a permanent ban, but still.

 

[Bartimaeus]

Ralle is the webmaster, not a moderator. If you're stupid enough to flame him, you deserve to be banned. If you did it because you just don't care, well then why are you here? I think WILL deserved punishment, maybe not a permanent ban, but still.

WILL didn't deserve punishment, because if Ralle hadn't said something like that, he wouldn't have said something like that, either. If you do not allow criticism, you will never know if there's anything wrong with your site, and eventually, users will simply stop coming, or simply allow themselves to get banned, because they don't care anymore: WILL.

(edit) What I'm saying here...Ralle shouldn't have been flamed, no. But WILL should've been able to tell the truth from what he saw without being told he was completely wrong, and his post was unecesarry.

 

[~Void~]

I don't think WILL needed to call Ralle a fascist prick, though.

 

[Bartimaeus]

I don't think WILL needed to call Ralle a fascist prick, though.

I wouldn't really agree with prick, (mainly because I don't know Ralle enough/at all), but I DO agree with being a fascist.

"Fascist governments permanently forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement."

Which is the point I'm trying to get across.

You're all fascists, At wc3edit.net, I encourage criticism, because I seek to better myself, rather than let it go unnoticed, simply because people are afraid I will ban them because I'm an administrator. But no, I say if they think something is wrong with me, then they should tell me, so I know.

 

[Devine]

I AM NOT, YOU ARE!!!!
lol.
It could be fun to make a poll with potential mapmods

 

[Linaze]

Indeed it would. In that case, Rui should host that poll, it is after all he who appointed us map mini-mods back when we existed, so he should now who are capable enough etc.

 

[brad.dude03]

Why? Please don't make the argument that I think you're going to make.

Because he didn't deserve to be banned in the first place.

This is all a part of the stupid issues with the Staff, entirely relevant to the topic if you ask me.

 

[Bartimaeus]

Because he didn't deserve to be banned in the first place.

This is all a part of the stupid issues with the Staff, entirely relevant to the topic if you ask me.

It is. Staff Changes, or what needs to be CHANGED about Staff,