Kill Katydma 0.2.1

[Cokemonkey11]

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[The Last RaNgeR]

on hard mode zombies stay on really low hp from doing melee aaaq combo, which is really annoying, you should either disable hp regen for them or up melee damage by a bit

 

[deepstrasz]

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[Cokemonkey11]

Thanks @deepstrasz , care to review again now that I've added credits to the hive description?

 

[Vendro the Wind Mage Bann]

I found this just watching recent posts and gave it a play through. Had not even realized it was a part of some contest! I'll have to look into other entries.

Anyway it would not hurt to make this map more friendly to beginners in their first few seconds of play, but admittedly after about a minute I was going at it and had a good time. I did not understand the waypoint system so I restarted the map after the first time I died, after that I ended up using mainly the bow and discarding the melee combat and fighting zombies until I eventually killed the Katydma at 22 minutes and 45ish seconds ( I forget the exact value ).

Again I didn't play any of the other contest entries yet because I hadn't realized there had been a contest, but I enjoyed the opportunity to play this map. Although simple, it was quite literally simple fun once I got the hang of it, and I had a good time playing it. The only thing that threw me off initially was that I hadn't realized there was no auto attack for the first few seconds, but that was pretty easy to figure out once I got used to it.

I did not play the hard mode and I only stacked bow damage with items, and by the time I reached Katydma my silver arrows did 500 damage per arrow. I don't know if that was scripted to always do that much or if it was the result of all those bow damage items, but it made for a pretty well balanced boss battle. I died once to the bullet hell mechanics but I felt like that was my own fault, and I thought it was really cool that there was a revive system and it wasn't over for me and I got to continue and finish killing Katydma, because he was almost dead at that point.

All in all I just wanted to say thanks for a fun experience and take care and chill! The terrain work on this was really cool

 

[Deleted member 247165]

The credits list was added. Approved!

 

[LovG]

It was a fun! I died like 4 times 'cause I'm dumb but really enjoyed it nevertheless!

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Hi friends

Many reviewers commented that it's possible to get a laggy experience if you don't kill zombies and instead walk past all of them.

I've adjusted the spawn behavior (thanks @Frotty for the tip!) and added a few more balance and quality of life improvements.

Enjoy!

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Played it and found that Katydma. Don't defeat it. Liked it:

• So after receiving 5+ lvl I can freely skip those zombies as they won't drop any valuable loot? Maybe I shouldn't, but game doesn't punish me for that, so…
• What's sound source for "Q" ability in rogue mode? I think thats from Diablo 2 or Dialog 1, because it sounded a little bit weird >_>
• Also for some strange reasons I got cooldowns on my rogue attack button when I don't press it. Also hitboxes are weird - sometimes I can hit with my slice or arrow, sometimes I don't deal any damage even when I nearby zombie.
• How I can defeat boss?

Also attaching my replay - it would be helpful to analize how others playes Your map.
Nice map, felt relaxed a bit

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Played it and found that Katydma. Don't defeat it. Liked it:

• So after receiving 5+ lvl I can freely skip those zombies as they won't drop any valuable loot? Maybe I shouldn't, but game doesn't punish me for that, so…
• What's sound source for "Q" ability in rogue mode? I think thats from Diablo 2 or Dialog 1, because it sounded a little bit weird >_>
• Also for some strange reasons I got cooldowns on my rogue attack button when I don't press it. Also hitboxes are weird - sometimes I can hit with my slice or arrow, sometimes I don't deal any damage even when I nearby zombie.
• How I can defeat boss?

Also attaching my replay - it would be helpful to analize how others playes Your map.
Nice map, felt relaxed a bit

Thanks for looking

Your replay doesn't work for me -- I guess you're not using the latest patch

So after receiving 5+ lvl I can freely skip those zombies as they won't drop any valuable loot? Maybe I shouldn't, but game doesn't punish me for that, so…

Not quite -- loot drop rate reduces after each loot drop, it's not based on level.

Zombies also have a function in this game other than acting as enemies

What's sound source for "Q" ability in rogue mode? I think thats from Diablo 2 or Dialog 1, because it sounded a little bit weird >_>

You can see this in the code -- it's jainaOnFootDeath1 Bitbucket

Also for some strange reasons I got cooldowns on my rogue attack button when I don't press it. Also hitboxes are weird - sometimes I can hit with my slice or arrow, sometimes I don't deal any damage even when I nearby zombie.

This is described in the ability tooltip

Bitbucket

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How I can defeat boss?

This is answered in the quests menu Bitbucket

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Thanks for looking

Your replay doesn't work for me -- I guess you're not using the latest patch



Not quite -- loot drop rate reduces after each loot drop, it's not based on level.

Zombies also have a function in this game other than acting as enemies



You can see this in the code -- it's jainaOnFootDeath1 Bitbucket



This is described in the ability tooltip

Bitbucket

bitbucket.org

This is answered in the quests menu Bitbucket

• No problem!
• Strange, I was playing on latest WC3:R patch...
• Okay, actually I mean that after reaching some hero lvl, I don't have much need in item drops due to already satisfying damage, maybe it's need more item progression or adding some temporary bonuses like damage runes etc;
• Oh… Never thought about that. Thanks for answer;
• Nvm, I'm dumb
• Thanks for answer!

 

[Cokemonkey11]

• No problem!
• Strange, I was playing on latest WC3:R patch...
• Okay, actually I mean that after reaching some hero lvl, I don't have much need in item drops due to already satisfying damage, maybe it's need more item progression or adding some temporary bonuses like damage runes etc;
• Oh… Never thought about that. Thanks for answer;
• Nvm, I'm dumb
• Thanks for answer!

I managed to watch your replay!

One thing that could have saved you some frustration is that when you reached Katydma you could have enabled the waypoint. Then there's no need to grind through zombies to get back to the boss fight if you die.

I don't have much need in item drops due to already satisfying damage

Yes, that makes more sense. I think it depends how you want to play the game. I can see this going one of ~3 ways:

• You collect rogue items so that you can heal faster and always one-shot with magic blade
• You collect archer items to kill Katydma faster
• You collect a mix of both

If you want to do a speed run of the map, the best thing to do is just pick up a mix of both types and selecting for stronger items in general.

To answer your question though: to be clear, there is value to collecting stronger items even if you can already one-shot zombies. Because bows kill the boss faster, and melee weapons enable you to heal faster.

I have a <6 minute victory replay here in case you'd prefer to watch rather than play again.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Today I released a small bug fix release which mainly focuses on eliminating the printed debug message that appears in-game sometimes. Please tell me if you have played the latest version and the bug is still not fixed!

Special thanks once again to @Frotty who helped me find the source of this bug

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Made a small patch release today with a couple of bug fixes

 

[Blasterixx]

Hello, i played the map for a few minutes, on the latest version of War3.

The gameplay can be super fun but it can also get super boring and monotonous pretty fast, the abilities are interesting, i mostly used the archer ones since i think those are superior being able to kill the zombies from a distance.

The main problem i noticed with this were the zombies, there were just too many of them and they kept spawning, i eventually got killed when i got lvl 6 and it seems i got revived from where i started, but i didn't feel like continuing the game since it wasn't that fun, just killing the same old zombies stopped being fun, also the items dropped on the ground and i didn't feel like going all the way to get them back.

I like that they dropped weapons to increase the dmg of the spells, but i think they should have a chance to drop some healing runes or something heal related as well, and to make the game interesting there should be no revive, since being able to revive every time you die isn't fun, is lame, there is no stake, i noticed u can just keep running while the zombies keep spawning from the corpses and they don't attack you immediately, so you can get past them that way.

I gave the game another shot, this time i went with the rogue spells, after you get some dmg items for the rogue spells it does become stronger than the archr one, but not by much, the main aspect of the rogue spells is the ability to heal but thats it, anyway, after i run around the map i finally got to the boss, but to my surprise even tho i attacked him multiple times i dealt 0 dmg to him and he just killed me with a few swings of his attacks of wich i had no way of dodging, yea...

Suggestions:

- It seems each time you run with the hero zombies just keep spawning even tho you went already a certain way, i think they shouldn't be able to spawn like that, wherever you go, once you went a certain route they shouldn't be able to spawn again on that route i feel like, the game just isn't fun enough to keep killing them, you just give up on that and the only goal is to get the hell out of this infinite zm spawning area and get to the end.

- Not sure what was with the boss and me not doing dmg to him, i only attacked him with the rogue attacks tho, but still, it would be dumb to not dmg him at all with the rogue attacks.

- The boss attacks should be able to be seen by the player so the player has a chance to avoid them.

- Increase the variety of zombies, you can also implement mini bosses as zombies that can drop stronger items, killing the same type of zombies gets boring fast.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Hi @Blasterixx

Thank you very much for the thorough review. Although some of your issues have been discussed already, I take it as feedback and signal nonetheless towards the game's design. For me the main takeaways are:

• the zombie spawn system is too monotonous
• the item spawn system is too monotonous
• it's not clear enough how to damage/hurt the boss
• it's not clear enough how zombie re-spawning works

I added some issues to my issue tracker with some further notes if you're interested:

Cokemonkey11 / kill-katydma / issues / #17 - The item spawn system is too monotonous — Bitbucket

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Cokemonkey11 / kill-katydma / issues / #16 - The zombie spawn function is too monotonous — Bitbucket

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Cokemonkey11 / kill-katydma / issues / #18 - It's not clear enough how zombie *re* spawning works — Bitbucket

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Cokemonkey11 / kill-katydma / issues / #19 - It's not clear enough how to damage the boss — Bitbucket

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spoilers

• the game should rapidly get to the point where you plow through the zomibes once you have a few items. The initial grind stage should take less than 5 minutes with practice (and win the game in less than 10). But I will think about how to make it less monotonous.
• it is intentional that the game's only healing mechanic is in rogue mode. I consider it to be critical to the ranger's design that the player should be forced to use both rogue and archer mode to win the game. But I will think about how to add more healing.
• rogue attacks cannot damage the boss. Only silver bolts can damage the boss. I will think how to make this clearer.
• the way zombie spawning works is that zombies can spawn on pre-passed routes but only at lower rates. And dead zombies can also respawn but only if you don't kill them with silver bolts or mutilate them with the healing ability. I will think how to make this clearer.
• the boss's melee attack is unavaoidable if you are close. it's supposed to force you to use ranger stance. I'll think about how to make this more clear.
• I agree there needs more zombie variety and some kind of mini-bosses. Thank you again for your input.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Today I've released the first minor version change of Kill K

I'm excited to announce a completely reworked zombie spawning subsystem that now utilises @Glint 's Noise library for more natural zombie spawning behavior.

As part of this I've also added a number of other quality of life improvements to hopefully make the early part of the game less monotonous.

Zombies now spawn with a bit more variety than before, and zombie vfx should be a little more immersive.

Your continued feedback has been much appreciated and valuable for prioritising this work and I hope to attract new players and hear about your experiences!

 

[Blasterixx]

Did a quick test run, the screen keeps shacking, it stops for a few sec and then it starts shacking again... i think it is a bug, either way it ruins the map.
Also i think the melee spells are somehow worse? the cooldown is too big and the hp regen is too low from the spell.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Thanks @Blasterixx ! You are right, the screen shake was a bit too intense.

I've just released a patch which reduces screen shake, as well as a few more quality-of-life improvements based on feedback from @WaterKnight and yourself.

Thanks again for playing