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Hive Workshop Cup Melee Mapping Contest - Results

Discussion in 'The Arena' started by Landmine, Oct 11, 2019.

  1. WolfFarkas

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    Privet! (Hello in russian)

    If someone is interested in this info: the rusian youtube video, casting starts in 1:43:00 1 hour 43 mins with Northwatch hold.
     
  2. eubz

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    Sorry for not judging the contest. I have downloded the entries but because of health problems and issues, I was not able to do the job tasked for me.

    I big sorry from me.
     
  3. WolfFarkas

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    dont worry, take care of yourself.
     
  4. Wayshan

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    So can someone official (@Landmine) please make any announcement regarding the contest, the winners, the scores, new info, etc.? :) I think we deserve some information, given that the situation around the contest has evolved so much. If we don't have the results figured out as of this moment, then at least tell us you are working on the issue. Feels kinda weird to be informed about stuff by the contest participants, erm.

    @WolfFarkas Thanks for sharing! Feels great to see some of our maps being played ^^
     
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  5. WolfFarkas

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    REMODEDMO did an anouncement he will do a text review of the maps.

    It will take some time, so lets wait for it.
     
  6. Nightmare2077

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    Today the 2nd quali was less hyped
    But we saw much more Ruins of Azshara

    Link's stream (german): Twitch
     
  7. Wayshan

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    Excited to see some Brightwater oasis and Goldport as well! :peasant-thumbs-up:
     
  8. Nightmare2077

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    Also TGW's first person stream!
    He's a very entartaining russian, who plays random. He took 3rd place!

    Twitch
     
  9. Wayshan

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    Here's some more, starring Uther's Slumber: Twitch :)
     
  10. Nightmare2077

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    Stars the Northwatch Hold as well :D

    And by Link (german): Twitch
     
  11. Wayshan

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    Yeah, which I didn't mention, cause it already was on display, it's my map and most importantly, @JaleVeliki keeps trash talk about the map whenever he can. Here and on the Twitch streams. Putting on some astounding constructive criticism such as telling others that the map "is boring".

    :peasant-thinking:
     
  12. WolfFarkas

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    I dont know what was talked on Twitch,,, and if I would, I better not bring it here.



    What Happens in Twich stay in Twich, whats happens in the hive, lets stay in the hive.
    so the Hive stuff.


    So the Hive episode: @JaleVeliki did a discharge, @Nudl9 discouraged the way he posted, and the topic ended there with @Nudl9 doing wise comments..

    @Wayshan , to me seems pointless to bring the Twich issue here, moderators cant moderate what happened on Twich. And start a discussion in the Hiveworkshop about what happened on Twich, doesnt seems something that can be solved here.

    also I saw many times Trash talk on Twich, sorry, but it doesnt surprise me.

    So a change of topic??

    I like the enviroment of your map, the towers stuff you used, very clever.

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    I love dawning fall, I regret not voting it, my apology to @Isaak for not seeing it more deep,
     
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  13. Wayshan

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    I am not demanding any kind of moderation from the admins. But I can't just stand and listen to someone trash talking other people's work, for no other reason than to hurt them & their work. I haven't been silent about the issue regarding Anomines and I am certainly not gonna be silent about attacks on my work either. All I am trying to is to point out is how arrogant can some people be. Try to imagine how you would feel over someone constantly trash-talking you and your work. Kinda spoils the fun when you see that in the chat of the event which is hosted by Hive and it's called Hive tournament. That isn't some stuff that's unrelated to this community. Anyways, not gonna poke into it more ^^

    As for your comment, I have a similar feeling. I wish I had some spare moments when the poll was open.
     
  14. Nudl9

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    Just stop listening to haters lol.
     
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    @Nudl9 /This.

    @Wayshan To give you another perspective, I also got 'kinda disappointed' when I saw the reviews. The reason being: seeing 0 (zero) critique/feedback on the matter with only some incoherent thoughts in its place. Since this was my primary goal for the contest, it burned. It burned being invested in something for quite a while and only seeing white noise at the end. I understand everyone else's feelings firsthand, since I share them.

    However there's nothing to still be bitter about. Really, there was no ill-will attempted on behalf of organisers and judges. Just a time trouble and a delusional person trying to be in charge. Tell me if it's the first time you've encountered something like this, come on.

    But there's one thing that seemingly escaped everyone's attention as they were busy with their personal resentments. And it's really a shame.
    Get well soon, @eubz! If not for the health issues, your review would be instrumental to this contest as a whole. Alas!

    One last thing to clarify, @Wayshan. The issue with Anomines isn't the same as attacks on your work. As in you can't compare an unjust disqualification with a negative comment.
    You know this is not true. You're trying to defend yourself. And that's fine. If you think that @JaleVeliki offended you, hold him accountable then. I'm not telling you to scream vengeance, though, just ask him here or in private about what is up.

    Even without pulling Twitch chat, which tends to be impulsive and edgy by nature, there's this post in the previous page to which you haven't answered.
    And if there's nothing to answer, then there's something to learn. And hurt feelings.. can't really be an argument, sorry.
     
  16. deepstrasz

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    The issue is the image of his work being ravished because he's doing it backstab style instead of writing about it on the map thread.
    It's more of an indirect thing.
     
  17. WolfFarkas

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    so what now? what should we do?
     
  18. deepstrasz

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    Just know people more like what they are.

    What did you have in mind?
     
  19. WolfFarkas

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    change topic to avoid spinnings around this topic that the only thing we can do is complain , but not moderate or ask for moderation.

    I am very out of ideas.
     
  20. JaleVeliki

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    @Wayshan

    I didn't catch time yesterday, but I am working on a longer review of the map Northwatch Hold (visual arguments incoming) to point out what can be improved on the map, and why such map (regardless of author) - is NOT ready for competitive play. The main reason behind my salty approach is not because much, much better executed and thought-out maps ended up not being in the tourney, but because a map with many problems did and pros played on it. FOR MONEY.

    Don't get me wrong, it has potential and is actually better than about 60% of contest entries, and I'm not even going to review subjective things such as texture/tileset or doodad choice and color; but fundamental features every competitive map has to have in order to be cup/ladder ready, such as: no wisp spots, enabled aow creeping and tree expand, somewhat symmetric buildable space for both players, map borders, mini-map readability, intuitive layout, fair layout, fair creep routes, no aggro while passing, choke widths similar to current ladder maps... and some of the things we'd very much love to see such as: creatively executed visual theme, no visual obstructions or distractions, creeps and visuals that fit the theme....

    Other finalists do all of those things properly, and 5-6 maps that were placed lower than finalist do them better than Northwatch Hold. That is the main reason. Had there been multiple judges as previous contests, the result would show itself without me engaging, we just need more judges!

    EDIT: The reason I'm displaying my opinions publicly is because people are afraid to criticize or start a discussion over it, and I saw none of mapmakers and previous judges daring to comment something about this map - so I'm starting it, regardless of contest results.
     
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