From Ashes

After Archimonde was defeated, demons on the Azeroth had to carry on their invasion. Elves, orcs and humans are on the verge of victory. Is there anything the Burning Legion can do?

Models used:
Demon buildings - https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/chaos-buildings.304645/
Demonologist - https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/dark-sorceror.208908/
Sargeras - https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/sargeras-the-great-one.307294/

I hope you enjoy this. I am preparing follow up campaign.
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From Ashes (Campaign)

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deepstrasz
Please improve the description. It doesn't say much of anything about the campaign. Read the guides below. An unpolished campaign about a lucky dreadlord and his pit lord lapdog totally based on standard material that would need better terrain...
Level 13
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Played through the first two levels, the campaign is quite enjoyable so far. Ironically, my favorite feature is the undead resing system. Being able to summon different units based on what you kill is very interesting.
There are quite a few grammatical mistakes but it doesn't affect the comprehension and the dialogues, apart from that, are quite solid.

Just a few things I found odd :
  • Why give the player access to both the scourge base and the standard undead structures ? Both have the same units and upgrades so, as it is, it would seem better to build the demon fortress directly.
  • The messages presenting the scourge base and demon fortress should advertise that they can be upgraded from a ziggurat (I spent quite a long time thinking I couldn't create more)
  • In the workers' building menu, the Death Warehouse is named sacrificial pit so I thought it was the standard version.
  • Summoning a Frost wyrm out of the Death Warehouse after summoning ground units around the Warehouse moves the Warehouse to a different location.

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  • You can go directly to the Demon gate with a frost wyrm. There should probably be a no-fly-zone over the mountains.
  • Cultists and Liches from the Death Warehouse have a hero glow despite not being heroes. Also cultists feel a bit too similar to necromancers. I think it would probably be better to have them have other spells (maybe slow) and maybe another model like the acolyte creeps for exemple. That way, players would have a reason to raise cultists ands build necromancers.
 
Level 4
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Played through the first two levels, the campaign is quite enjoyable so far. Ironically, my favorite feature is the undead resing system. Being able to summon different units based on what you kill is very interesting.
There are quite a few grammatical mistakes but it doesn't affect the comprehension and the dialogues, apart from that, are quite solid.

Just a few things I found odd :
  • Why give the player access to both the scourge base and the standard undead structures ? Both have the same units and upgrades so, as it is, it would seem better to build the demon fortress directly.
  • The messages presenting the scourge base and demon fortress should advertise that they can be upgraded from a ziggurat (I spent quite a long time thinking I couldn't create more)
  • In the workers' building menu, the Death Warehouse is named sacrificial pit so I thought it was the standard version.
  • Summoning a Frost wyrm out of the Death Warehouse after summoning ground units around the Warehouse moves the Warehouse to a different location.

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  • You can go directly to the Demon gate with a frost wyrm. There should probably be a no-fly-zone over the mountains.
  • Cultists and Liches from the Death Warehouse have a hero glow despite not being heroes. Also cultists feel a bit too similar to necromancers. I think it would probably be better to have them have other spells (maybe slow) and maybe another model like the acolyte creeps for exemple. That way, players would have a reason to raise cultists ands build necromancers.
Thank you for detailed feedback.
You get Hell's Fortress as starting building in every level and in 3rd mission you acquire demon worker so this won't be problem for rest of the campaign.
I tried solving the moving Warehouse problem before release but I gave up. If anybody now how to fix it I will be glad. Other things mentioned are easy to solve so wait for an update soon.
 
Level 5
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May 14, 2016
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Hi. I played all the chapters. Regarding the story, I quite like the concept but if you're following original frozen throne lore then it would make more sense just summoning Kil'jaeden instead of Sargeras just like that out of nowhere. If you're not then that's fine. A little backstory on this Dreadlord and where he came from wouldn't hurt a little but I think that's something you might touch on later when you're done improving other things.

Now regarding gameplay:

I won't mention grammar as that's something you can take your time with.

The terrain doesn't bother me much as I'm not an expert at it but other people who decide to comment here will certainly say something about it.

The AI is not that good, for all of the maps. I think you can look around for AI scripts from other maps and try see if they match with the dynamic of the maps since most of the enemies in this campaign are all default units/races.

Some triggers need improvements, couple examples: On the mission that you have to find the demon gate, not only can ANY unit enter the teleport and trigger the "need to kill all enemies" message (or go into victory cutscene when you killed everyone) but it also spams that message when you enter and leave that teleport repeatedly. It would make more sense for that trigger to only apply to the Dreadlord and you could also just disable the portal until all the enemies are destroyed and then enable it.

Next mission, the orc clans. I think AI is OK here. The issues here are: the pitlord's ultimate. 4 infernals makes it too easy on top of the fact that you can stack good items on him and get cleaving attack level 3 which is a very good ability therefore he's kinda OP because of it. The other issue. dreadlord's ultimate: Charm. If you possess a wisp or peon, you can build any unit, any hero from that race. AND on top of that, you can literally make infinite heroes, there is no hero limit since that trigger was probably deleted. You should disable orc and night elf units/buildings for the player. (I didn't try using banshee possession on other missions but I'm assuming the results are the same)

The Nordrassil mission: there's no indication whatsoever as to when the mission ends or how long you have to survive. It's just peons chopping the big tree and that's it. I stayed there for 20 minutes and nothing happened, so I just quit and moved on the next one.

Overall, needs some cinematic/trigger adjustments and maybe map changes so they don't feel too empty. Also try adding some more custom models to both the player and the enemies (like the orc heroes gathering). You also should just go full demon race with custom model workers, warriors etc.
 
Level 9
Joined
Aug 25, 2018
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110
Overall I enjoyed the campaign the Death Warehouse was a unique addition and I enjoyed having some spammable units I feel the undead/legion uses in their army's

Hell Fortress/Infernal Assembly units have not hotkeys or they are not highlighted if there is one.
Voidspawn does not count for the idle builder selection
Hell Fortress has Ghoul Frenzy upgrade - if this is supposed to effect bloodthirsters the tooltip needs to be updated
Enemy Heroes all seemed to be lvl 1 or lvl 10 I noticed they still gain exp as well maybe try and set them at certain levels depending on the chapter because when they are lvl 1 in later chapters they get killed before they gain exp
You can train Human/Orc/Night Elf heroes once you charm a worker

Chapter 3
Slaughter house has the destroyer from upgrade
Crypt has gargoyle stone form upgrade

Chapter 4
Defeat screen says Porazka

chapter 5
red/gray fight over the expansion where yellow is. As in they both build a Great Hall and have peons mining it
red/gray send attack waves when they ping to non existent enemies such as the path to the bottom left hand base. I already took the mines from those bases

Chapter 6
No indicator of what victory condition is. If its a lumber amount that red needs to gain the player should be informed the amount or give the tree hp or give us a defense timer.
two of the bases can easily be soloed by the heroes especially the pitlord at the start of the mission. Dreadlord not as much but between raise dead and charm + the two starting units it was doable.
LB alliance base walled themselves in by spamming farms so no unit could leave
Red will not repair or build new units if any is lost - This may be intentional but the fact lose condition is the war mills being destroyed even though the AI goes for workers first so you potentially can get them killed before even a war mill is hurt.
Idk if this is an AI issue due to the fact I took out two bases but I sat for what felt like 5 mins or so without a single attack wave
 
Level 3
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Jun 2, 2021
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Hi, just finished the campaign and I quite enjoyed it. Others have pretty much pointed out to most of the issues, grammar being one of them. I don't want to be rude or anything, but I can help you fix it if that's okay with you :)
Cheers!
 
Level 4
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Jan 3, 2023
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Hi, just finished the campaign and I quite enjoyed it. Others have pretty much pointed out to most of the issues, grammar being one of them. I don't want to be rude or anything, but I can help you fix it if that's okay with you :)
Cheers!
I am okay with it. Does Hive allow you to post the fixed version right here or it works differently?
 

deepstrasz

Map Reviewer
Level 62
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Level 3
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I am okay with it. Does Hive allow you to post the fixed version right here or it works differently?
Awesome, thanks :D I'll get to it right away :)
You guys should either use https://www.hiveworkshop.com/pastebin/add or some uploading service and send the file between yourselves in a private conversation or on your profiles.
To update the campaign be sure to know these buttons: Updating resources
Thanks for the heads up :D
I was thinking about writing in a separate document and sending it to him. Would that work too?
 

deepstrasz

Map Reviewer
Level 62
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Please improve the description. It doesn't say much of anything about the campaign. Read the guides below.

  1. Why are all maps/chapters visible from the start?
  2. I see the undead are still on the demon's part or at least these ones.
  3. Units selected during the scene with the Demon Gate. Heroes ran away from the gate so Kil'jaeden talked to himself.
  4. No idea why the Feedback ability's icon was changed to tentacle and now looks like an active ability.
  5. Destroyer Form can be researched but you can't train the Obsidian Statue (chapter 3).
  6. Should get another model for the Lich from Death's Warehouse as it looks exactly like the hero and it has glow and no decay animation.
  7. It's weird that you get to play with heroes and units that are not undead without any particular reason. I get that they are supposed to be in disguise but the abilities and looks are too natural.
  8. If you destroy the elf and human bases after killing 150 units, you get the two heroes and their elf and human units again along with the cinematic scene.
  9. The Malevolent University trains a unit named Necromancer that is actually the Demonologist. Where did they get these elves? Also, it has a hero model which means glow and the body remains on the ground after dying.
  10. Weapon and armour upgrades don't mention which demon troops they improve.
  11. Burning Sky shouldn't have that big range like the Inferno from the Cursed Assembly. It should have 600 range like the Inferno spell.
  12. Elves don't seem to use air units.
  13. Infernals attack trees. Intended?
  14. Not clear what you have to do in chapter 6. I assume you have to just defend but there is no timer.
  15. Tracking Instincts research should look like an active ability, have an icon with borders. You could make it with: Button Manager v1.8.2
  16. The Voidspawn's buildings should have proper icons not the same as the undead buildings.
  17. I think there should be a limit of how many Cursed Assemblies you can build otherwise you spam Infernals.
  18. In chapter 7 you definitely need an orb on your heroes to be able to attack dragons.
  19. Heroes selected in the scene after defeating the guardian. Same in the ending scene.
  20. Sargeras the mushy demon lord. I guess, that orc will be his doom in the next campaign? Weird that he sends the orcs where he seems to be afraid to go. But I guess, it's only a respite in Sargeras' eyes as he said he will eventually conquer that world as well.

An unpolished campaign about a lucky dreadlord and his pit lord lapdog totally based on standard material that would need better terrain, custom triggered spells and techtrees (especially for the enemies). Borderline substandard though.

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Finished this campaign, though I might get my recording up around February since there's a waitlist of uploads in progress.

Anyway, most of the nitpick is already covered by others, so I don't think I want to comment on it. The story is interesting, and it's an interestingly creative take. For the most part, it's leaning on the easier side which I really appreciate (I am not a fan of hardcore missions), and since each chapter slowly add the demon arsenal for the player, it makes the progression of the tech tree present throughout the campaign.

I am not sure if this is intended, but are the enemy heroes having level 1 in later levels intended? Well, I just want to confirm since it feels weird seeing level 1 heroes in chapter 7.

Another thing I want to ask is regarding charm and workers, is it intentional to be able to build other faction buildings? If not, then I guess pretty much this needs to be covered somehow, since I just use enemy workers to gain other races' techs.
 
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Finished this campaign, though I might get my recording up around February since there's a waitlist of uploads in progress.

Anyway, most of the nitpick is already covered by others, so I don't think I want to comment on it. The story is interesting, and it's an interestingly creative take. For the most part, it's leaning on the easier side which I really appreciate (I am not a fan of hardcore missions), and since each chapter slowly add the demon arsenal for the player, it makes the progression of the tech tree present throughout the campaign.

I am not sure if this is intended, but are the enemy heroes having level 1 in later levels intended? Well, I just want to confirm since it feels weird seeing level 1 heroes in chapter 7.

Another thing I want to ask is regarding charm and workers, is it intentional to be able to build other faction buildings? If not, then I guess pretty much this needs to be covered somehow, since I just use enemy workers to gain other races' techs.

I don't think it's intentional since you can train infinite heroes lol
 
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