Battle of Darrowshire

[The Nightmare Book]

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[deepstrasz]

Why do units have the build menu if it's not used for anything? Also, the peasant's hotkey to turn Militia is B like for the build menu command.
Good Latin.
So, you don't get any more gold after the battle starts? How do you train more or upgrade?
Enemy encounters are repetitive and your unit types are limited to what you choose in the beginning.
Units and heroes are pretty much Warcraft III material.
No items? Mana regeneration?
Marduk appeared and remained at the northern map edge instead of coming to attack like the other enemies. You have to go to him to kill him. Same with Horgus.

I think the map could use more custom stuff. Feels too old school.

Awaiting Update.

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Why do units have the build menu if it's not used for anything? Also, the peasant's hotkey to turn Militia is B like for the build menu command.
Good Latin.
So, you don't get any more gold after the battle starts? How do you train more or upgrade?
Enemy encounters are repetitive and your unit types are limited to what you choose in the beginning.
Units and heroes are pretty much Warcraft III material.
No items? Mana regeneration?
Marduk appeared and remained at the northern map edge instead of coming to attack like the other enemies. You have to go to him to kill him. Same with Horgus.

I think the map could use more custom stuff. Feels too old school.

Awaiting Update.

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WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

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How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps
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• About build menu - it's a common bug when you use a "Gargoyle" or "Sphinx" spell with building unit. I'll try to correct it!
• Thanks!
• Idea of map was inspired by Zeratul last mission in WOTL SC2. You're an small villiage with limited resources and all of your active males are defending their families from undead. How you can recieve new resources? Only find out crates with some gold & lumber;
• Currently enemy types are limited (only 5 types for common and 2-3 for elites), but in next updates they will diversify with events;
• I tried to use only classic material without any imports;
• I typed upper why - lore wisely, but in next update hero spell costs will be reduced;
• It's a bug - fix it;
• In that map I dont want use any custom models, textures that could be "appropriate". Currently I use only some WoW icons and Heroglow model as custom resources.

Anyway, thank you for your review!

 

[deepstrasz]

In that map I dont want use any custom models, textures that could be "appropriate". Currently I use only some WoW icons and Heroglow model as custom resources.

Sure but maybe make spells and gameplay more diverse than just the same old stuff.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Sure but maybe make spells and gameplay more diverse than just the same old stuff.

Okay, I understand. I'll try to diversify it!

 

[The Nightmare Book]

New update was released! Check changelog for details.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

I encountered some bugs & errors when trying to complete map. So I'll try to post a new small version with fixes & changes to already existant content.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Updated map, fixing some issues & applied changed that I thought to be needed.

 

[deepstrasz]

I think the Paladin units could be a bit more differentiated from the Paladin hero since they pretty much have the same abilities.
Redpath has two spells called Hero Strike.
Marduk Blackpool's multiboard image is a green square.
Units don't start with full mana.
Um, your units turn to zombies? Can you dodge that? Losing Paladins that way isn't fun.

Nice update.

Approved.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

I think the Paladin units could be a bit more differentiated from the Paladin hero since they pretty much have the same abilities.
Redpath has two spells called Hero Strike.
Marduk Blackpool's multiboard image is a green square.
Units don't start with full mana.
Um, your units turn to zombies? Can you dodge that? Losing Paladins that way isn't fun.

Nice update.

Approved.

Thank you for your review!

• I agree with you - they were unique in previous versions, because player has only 1 main hero in game. Right now they have same abilities as Davil Lightfire, and I think that I'll change it in next version;
• Strange - I'll fix it;
• Some strange with him occurs: sometimes his icon properly displays in both REF & Classic graphics, sometimes not;
• Balance issue - I'll check it;
• When "Dark Voice" event occurs, some of your units will lose will and transmorphs into mindless creatures, so it's pure RNG. But yeah - paladins and other elite units should have resisit those whispers.

 

[sebalarios]

Nice map. I like it

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Nice map. I like it

Thank you for your reply!

 

[The Nightmare Book]

In the coming days I want to release new small version with balance twinking, changing some bonuses & adding some interface features.
Stay tuned!

 

[The Nightmare Book]

It seems that v1.07 will have some new content, like:

• 2 new undead enemy types with 5 different variants in each. Also variety of other undead types were increased by 20-25%;
• Scourge Hero Spell changes - Maniac Xorgus, feasting upon his victims or damned Redpath, controlling his will-binded zombies;
• When Scourge Hero dies, his respawn point will be strictly selected & from now player could see where hero will respawn;
• Also some changes to Darrowshire Hero Spells - Davil now AOE-ladin, Redpath will became "Unit Commander" & changes to bonus heroes;

That's all that I want to share about new content in v1.07!
More you can see it by playing it when version will be released.

Stay tuned, good luck.

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[The Nightmare Book]

Uploaded a new version 1.07 with changes, content, fixes & more!

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Video gameplay by Storm, where he played last version 1.07, getting better with each attempt!
I like it

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Just noticed some issues with food bonuses, so I'll try to update map as soon as possible.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

While developing "Fourberie" progresses slowly, I decided to update this far forgotten resource with last content update.
It doesn't add too much, mostly focusing on polishing other content it had.

I'll gladly hear your reviews, your opinions: either bad or not, all opinions and suggestions are welcomed.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Added small corrections to current version, nothing particular.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Update:
Fixed typos in main resource text, added new walkthrough (by myself, why not), and fixed anchors.


PS:
Map will indeed have a future, as I decided to develop its enhanced version for the upcoming (?) Maporino 2024. Here's teaser I can share with you.

Spoiler: spoiler

yes its an AI-generated loading screen, because why not?

 

[The Nightmare Book]

2000+ downloads!
I didn't know that this map would have such attention, but thank you for that! In case of that, "Battle of Darrowshire" will be officially continued in new project called - "Darrowshire: Dawn of Infinite".
More stories about that I'll uncover this month, so stay tuned!

Spoiler: spoiler

Spoiler: spoiler

Spoiler: spoiler

 

[Antares]

Flavorful map!

Any chance for co-op mode?

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Flavorful map!

Any chance for co-op mode?

Thank you! About Co-op mode: maybe in future I'll add some sort of co-op or make versus mode, but in current design I see most of my projects as single-player

 

[Rifleman]

In Quests(f9) and in Battle of darrowshire the language is not english not sure what it is
EDIT: is it actually latin? but why am i missing something?

Anyway fun little map
also i noticed the milita animations are bugged out they will stop halfway and they dont seem have any idle animation either never seen anything like this

 

[The Nightmare Book]

In Quests(f9) and in Battle of darrowshire the language is not english not sure what it is
EDIT: is it actually latin? but why am i missing something?

Anyway fun little map
also i noticed the milita animations are bugged out they will stop halfway and they dont seem have any idle animation either never seen anything like this

First of all - thank you for your humble review!

• Latin text is a common text placeholder, that is often used for such a task before placing an actual one. For "Battle of Darrowshire", I never thought of changing something from this Latin text.
• Yes, somehow bandit unit model is bugged both on Reforged and Classic graphics. And I don't know why.

Thank you for your review!

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Like "Pearl of Azshara", I decided to do a small update, related to design tweaks and changing the map script language from JASS to LUA.

Looking forward to read your comments and answer all of them

 

[Blasterixx]

~~Sup

I played on the latest version of Shitforged, with classic graphics, here are my thoughts.

Cute lil defense/survival map u got here, I did enjoy the gameplay even tho it gets pretty repetitive quite fast, also there is no winning scenario so the game keeps on going forever, usually that wouldn't be bad for a survival game if the game had some sort of achievements to it that rewards the player for surviving x amount of minutes, but in this case there is none.

One significant issue I noticed while replaying the map for additional tests is that in one of my longest games, my heroes kept leveling alongside the enemy undead heroes, I got to lvl 30 with 2 of them, hence why it was such a long game to begin with, heroes with such a high lvl were pretty much unkillable at that point.

Spoiler

On Normal Mode, I could have continued, but I became bored. I played for nearly an hour and eventually allowed myself to be defeated.

However, after playing some more games, it appeared that they stopped leveling past level 5 for some reason. This seems strange to me. It might be a bug. If it's not a bug then I highly suggest removing any level cap on heroes, as having one is pretty dull and makes the gameplay super boring and just not fun, lvl caps in any game are always a bad idea!

Spoiler: MoreFancyExtraThoughts

~Positives

1. I enjoyed the undead bosses; they were quite cool. It was also nice that they leveled up over time. I found it interesting how some of the allied heroes could defect and become undead heroes themselves, fighting alongside the enemies.

~Small thing here but very fancy, it would be cool if each undead hero had their own short and unique catchphrase lines when they revive, for example:
They don't have to say these necessarily every time they revive, but it would be cool to hear them say them from time to time.

Horgus:

"Brains and bones, here I come!"
"One down, one more to munch on! Get ready for a ghastly feast!" (after Redpath dies)
"Back for more! Your screams only fuel my hunger!"

Marduk:

"One soul down, one to go. Your despair only fuels my darkness!"
"One soul claimed... now I shall extinguish the rest. Your demise is but a step in my endless conquest!"
"One soul devoured, and now my blade thirsts for the rest. Surrender, or be consumed by my dark hunger!"

Redpath the Corrupted:

"Once a defender of the light, now a harbinger of darkness. Your end is at hand!"
"Friendship is but a fading memory. Prepare to fall by the hand of your former ally!"
"Old friend, your loyalty is a weakness I no longer share. Now, you will perish by the hands you once trusted."

Vectus:

"Your futile resistance only delays the inevitable. Witness the true power of necromancy!"
"From frost and darkness, I return to freeze and conquer your fate!"
"Resurrected in frost and necromancy, I’ll chill your bones and claim your souls!"





2. I enjoyed the recurring events such as the caravan passing through and refugees seeking shelter from other towns.

3. Can I just say that Davil is the man?! The true uncorrupted Giga Chad Davil!

Without his healing spell, everyone would die very quickly! I appreciate how affordable his spells are, and he also has decent mana regeneration. This is quite a rare and valuable thing you got here. Many map makers overlook the fact that playing a War3 custom map with heroes is not fun if those heroes can only use their spells a few times before running out of mana. That's just not enjoyable. They are heroes for a reason, so it's important to make their spells have a very low mana cost so they can be used frequently and have a bigger impact on the game.





My friend, The big picture of the game is there but it lacks a lot of key points that can help the game a lot, transforming it from a bland one to a masterpiece.

~Suggestiosns+Negatives

1. As I said previously, the game has a big issue, the lack of achievements, I suggest the following:

-For surviving on easy for 20 minutes the player gets a random bonus in the next game/loop.
-For surviving on Normal for 20 minutes the player gets a random bonus + one demi hero unit the next game/loop.
-For surviving on hard for 20 minutes the player gets two random bonuses + two demi hero units the next game/loop.

Then after that, you can add 1 extra reward after every extra 10 minutes of survival for every mode.

On top of that, you can add a specific unique reward item, the item is Called ~Crown of Infinity~. This crown is given to the player after surviving for at least 30 minutes in any game mode. When worn, the crown provides a +5 boost to all of the hero's stats. Furthermore, each successful rank quest accomplishment will add an extra +x stats to the crown.

The bonus will work like this, after getting the crown:

If a player survives for over 30 minutes during a game, the Crown evolves and grants a +6 bonus to all stats for the next game or loop. The player's progress is saved, so they start the next game with the evolved Crown. Also, a specific rank is needed to evolve the Crown.

After completing a game/loop with the crown surviving for 30 minutes, the player will be rewarded with the Recruit Rank, and gain the evolved crown with +6 all stats.

And so forth, here are the timing and the ranks with the rewards:

• Recruit
• 30 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity [+6 all stats]
• Enlisted
• 35 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity II [+7 all stats]
• Private
• 40 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity III [+8 all stats]
• Private First Class
• 45 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity IV [+9 all stats]
• Specialist
• 50 minutes without losing any unit = Bronze Crown of Infinity V [+10 all stats]
• Corporal
• 55 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity VI [+11 all stats]
• Lance Corporal
• 1 hour on Normal Mode = Bronze Crown of Infinity VII [+12 all stats]

• Sergeant
• 1 hour and 15 minutes on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity [+15 all stats]
• Master Seargent
• 1 hour and 30 minutes on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity II [+17 all stats]
• Sergeant Major
• 1 hour without taking any dmg on towers = Silver Crown of Infinity III [+19 all stats]
• Sergeant-Commander
• 1 hour and 45 minutes on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity IV [+21 all stats]
• Second Lieutenant
• 2 hours on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity V [+23 all stats]
• Lieutenant
• 1 hour and 30 minutes on Hard Mode = Silver Crown of Infinity VI [+25 all stats]

• Captain
• Complete all quests under 1 hour = Golden Crown of Infinity [+30 all stats]
• Major
• 1 hour on Hard Mode without training extra units = Golden Crown of Infinity II [+33 all stats]
• Lieutenant Colonel
• Complete all quests under 30 minutes = Golden Crown of Infinity III [+36 all stats]
• Colonel
• 1 Hour on hard Mode without losing any units = Golden Crown of Infinity IV [+39 all stats]
• Brigadier General
• 2 hours on hard Mode = Golden Crown of Infinity V [+42 all stats]
• Lieutenant General
• 30 min. on hard without letting the Enemy Heroes reach the first Tower = Golden Crown of Infinity VI [+45 all stats]
• General
• 1 hour on hard without taking any dmg on units (except heroes) = Golden Crown of Infinity VII [+48 all stats]
• Grand General
• 30 minutes on hard mode without taking dmg on any Hero = Golden Crown of Infinity VIII [+51 all stats]
• Field Marshal
• 30 minutes on hard mode without taking any dmg on any building = Bronze Crown of Infinity IX [+54 all stats]

• Supreme Marshal
• 2 hours on Hard Mode without equipping any items (including the crown) = Golden Crown of Infinity X [+77 all stats]

All the ranks have to be completed in that exact order to get the next rank. For example, to get the Enlisted Rank you gotta have the Recruit rank first. So what do you think of my idea, neat ha




2. The second main issue with the game is the lack of income, there has to be a way the player can gather resources in some way, either getting gold from completing the events or quests or just from some gold mines deep in the forest.

Suggestion:

-Create quests where the player can go hunt creeps and undead mini-bosses in the forest to get gold and wood or free trapped units.

-Create gold mines in the forest that players can take over with peasants. The catch is that when a gold mine is taken over and starts producing gold, it triggers undead units to focus on the gold mine and attempt to destroy it. As a result, players have to be vigilant and defend the gold mine if they want to keep the gold flowing.



3. The main Loop gimmick is an interesting idea but I don't think it was well implemented, since you just have to die to loop the game and get + 1 dmg and armor for free each time no matter how bad you did in that run, seems flawed.

Now from my tests, I am not sure if the max is 3 loops or not since in my playthrough the game stopped looping after I died in the 3rd loop, either way, I suggest something like this, for a game to keep looping the player has to reach certain goals, also very important is that the player is informed of these goals somewhere in the corner of the screen or through a text or quest in f9, examples of goals:

-Kill 100 undead in total and each undead hero at least 5 times to unlock the first loop.
-kill 500 undead in total and each undead hero 20 times to unlock the second loop loop.

-Kill 1k undead in total and each undead hero 20 times that were once human heroes to unlock the third loop.
-kill 2k undead in total and complete 20 random events and 20 quests to unlock the fourth loop.

-Kill 1k undead in total and each undead hero 15 times on Normal mode to unlock the fifth loop.
-Kill 2k undead in total and each undead hero 20 times on hard mode to unlock the sixth loop.

And so on, you can come up with any random condition to keep the game looping, this can also be made like an RPG, where the progression can be saved, so the player can choose to start with the rewards of each loop after completing it once already so he doesn't have to repeat it each time he starts playing the map again.



4. I like how some enemy heroes have dialogue lines that relate to the defending human heroes but I wish there were a bit more lore bits there as well.

After the first boss, the ghoul pack leader, says his dialogue line to Davil, Davil could respond with his own: "Your twisted existence mocks the light, but even in the darkest night, the dawn will rise. Prepare to be cleansed by the righteous fury of the living!"

After the second boss comes and steals the soul of Redpath, Davil could say: "You may have claimed the soul of my dear friend, but the Light will exact vengeance upon your kind and the Lich King himself!"

After the Skeleton undead hero comes and says his line, Davil could say this: "Aah a spooky scary talking skeleton!"

And so on, u get the gist.



5. Horgus the Pack leader has mana but never seems to use any spells compared to the other undead heroes who use spells.



6. The tents look too similar to random bandit buildings that normally don't do anything in most if not all custom maps and because of that most players, including myself, might simply ignore them and because of that we won't be able to train most units...

The main training building for your army should look more like a legit building and not like a doodad, so I suggest making the tents look bigger and cooler or simply changing their skins to a structure similar to a human barack.



7. Talking about the events, from what I saw there are only 3 events in the whole game, the caravan, the refugees, and that random obelisk that spawns skeletons, the problem is, for example, the refugees event doesn't have any impact on the game, what is the reason for saving them, what does the player get for saving them? Exactly! Nothing!

That is bad obviously, every event should have a reward if the player manages to complete the event objective, and a penalty if the player fails the event objective, in this case, if the player manages to save all the refugees and brings them to the main hall then for each of them the player gets 50 gold and 20 wood, that would make the event have a meaning and it will make things interesting, otherwise the player won't give two shits about saving the refugees, and for the penalty, for every refugee that dies, the undead army will send a wave of 5 to 10 undead peasants to attack the humans as punishment.

Now, the player not only has the incentive to help all refugees get safely to the town hall to gain resources from them, but they will also do so out of fear of being swarmed by a horde of undead peasants. That sounds like an epic event, don't you agree?


8. This goes hand in hand with the previous suggestion, I think the villagers should be able to be used for something to help with the defense of the town, you can implement an income tax where each villager pays 1 gold and 1 wood every 10 seconds for being alive and safe in the town.

You can also create a training ground where a villager can enter and after 1 minute come out as a random warrior, the male villager can become a random male warrior like a footman or a priest, and the female one can become a success or a battle maiden, and the kids...
The kids can become... The Elite Fearsome Slingshot Bullseye Rangers (An epic ranged unit with high as and long-range) you know since kinds are rarer than any other villager type they should be able to become a more op fighter




9. Peasants should be able to build more than just barricades, like tents and towers, fancier and more expensive towers, etc.



10. I would suggest a change in the game mechanic regarding Redpath's instant death when Marduk spawns. Instead of instant death, Marduk could initiate a ritual that takes about 10 seconds to complete. If Marduk isn't defeated within this time, Redpath will lose his soul and become an undead hero. This would make it fairer for players, rather than having one of the main heroes randomly die when Marduk spawns.


11. Events happen like once in a blue moon, there should be an event happening at least once every 5 minutes.


12. The consecration spell from Davil lingers on the ground permanently and causes some fps drops and it makes the gameplay pretty hard to look at.


13. After the final cutscene that tallies the kills for each monster, there should be a comprehensive list displayed with all the kills and the timer. This will allow players to see all their achievements in one place, presented as a big text list on the screen.






Well, that's about it with my thoughts, like I said the map has a tone of potential, like a silver fancy plate, currently is somewhat empty, it would look much more appealing if it had some delicious gourmet food on it as well won't you agree?


My rating for this map as it currently is would be an 𝓐 Tier (Great) with 80 out of 100 points.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

~~Sup

I played on the latest version of Shitforged, with classic graphics, here are my thoughts.

Cute lil defense/survival map u got here, I did enjoy the gameplay even tho it gets pretty repetitive quite fast, also there is no winning scenario so the game keeps on going forever, usually that wouldn't be bad for a survival game if the game had some sort of achievements to it that rewards the player for surviving x amount of minutes, but in this case there is none.

One significant issue I noticed while replaying the map for additional tests is that in one of my longest games, my heroes kept leveling alongside the enemy undead heroes, I got to lvl 30 with 2 of them, hence why it was such a long game to begin with, heroes with such a high lvl were pretty much unkillable at that point.

Spoiler

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On Normal Mode, I could have continued, but I became bored. I played for nearly an hour and eventually allowed myself to be defeated.

However, after playing some more games, it appeared that they stopped leveling past level 5 for some reason. This seems strange to me. It might be a bug. If it's not a bug then I highly suggest removing any level cap on heroes, as having one is pretty dull and makes the gameplay super boring and just not fun, lvl caps in any game are always a bad idea!

Spoiler: MoreFancyExtraThoughts

~Positives

1. I enjoyed the undead bosses; they were quite cool. It was also nice that they leveled up over time. I found it interesting how some of the allied heroes could defect and become undead heroes themselves, fighting alongside the enemies.

~Small thing here but very fancy, it would be cool if each undead hero had their own short and unique catchphrase lines when they revive, for example:
They don't have to say these necessarily every time they revive, but it would be cool to hear them say them from time to time.

Horgus:

"Brains and bones, here I come!"
"One down, one more to munch on! Get ready for a ghastly feast!" (after Redpath dies)
"Back for more! Your screams only fuel my hunger!"

Marduk:

"One soul down, one to go. Your despair only fuels my darkness!"
"One soul claimed... now I shall extinguish the rest. Your demise is but a step in my endless conquest!"
"One soul devoured, and now my blade thirsts for the rest. Surrender, or be consumed by my dark hunger!"

Redpath the Corrupted:

"Once a defender of the light, now a harbinger of darkness. Your end is at hand!"
"Friendship is but a fading memory. Prepare to fall by the hand of your former ally!"
"Old friend, your loyalty is a weakness I no longer share. Now, you will perish by the hands you once trusted."

Vectus:

"Your futile resistance only delays the inevitable. Witness the true power of necromancy!"
"From frost and darkness, I return to freeze and conquer your fate!"
"Resurrected in frost and necromancy, I’ll chill your bones and claim your souls!"





2. I enjoyed the recurring events such as the caravan passing through and refugees seeking shelter from other towns.

3. Can I just say that Davil is the man?! The true uncorrupted Giga Chad Davil!

Without his healing spell, everyone would die very quickly! I appreciate how affordable his spells are, and he also has decent mana regeneration. This is quite a rare and valuable thing you got here. Many map makers overlook the fact that playing a War3 custom map with heroes is not fun if those heroes can only use their spells a few times before running out of mana. That's just not enjoyable. They are heroes for a reason, so it's important to make their spells have a very low mana cost so they can be used frequently and have a bigger impact on the game.





My friend, The big picture of the game is there but it lacks a lot of key points that can help the game a lot, transforming it from a bland one to a masterpiece.

~Suggestiosns+Negatives

1. As I said previously, the game has a big issue, the lack of achievements, I suggest the following:

-For surviving on easy for 20 minutes the player gets a random bonus in the next game/loop.
-For surviving on Normal for 20 minutes the player gets a random bonus + one demi hero unit the next game/loop.
-For surviving on hard for 20 minutes the player gets two random bonuses + two demi hero units the next game/loop.

Then after that, you can add 1 extra reward after every extra 10 minutes of survival for every mode.

On top of that, you can add a specific unique reward item, the item is Called ~Crown of Infinity~. This crown is given to the player after surviving for at least 30 minutes in any game mode. When worn, the crown provides a +5 boost to all of the hero's stats. Furthermore, each successful rank quest accomplishment will add an extra +x stats to the crown.

The bonus will work like this, after getting the crown:

If a player survives for over 30 minutes during a game, the Crown evolves and grants a +6 bonus to all stats for the next game or loop. The player's progress is saved, so they start the next game with the evolved Crown. Also, a specific rank is needed to evolve the Crown.

After completing a game/loop with the crown surviving for 30 minutes, the player will be rewarded with the Recruit Rank, and gain the evolved crown with +6 all stats.

And so forth, here are the timing and the ranks with the rewards:

• Recruit 30 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity [+6 all stats]
• Enlisted 35 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity II [+7 all stats]
• Private 40 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity III [+8 all stats]
• Private First Class 45 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity IV [+9 all stats]
• Specialist 50 minutes without losing any unit = Bronze Crown of Infinity V [+10 all stats]
• Corporal 55 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity VI [+11 all stats]
• Lance Corporal 1 hour on Normal Mode = Bronze Crown of Infinity VII [+12 all stats]

• Sergeant 1 hour and 15 minutes on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity [+15 all stats]
• Master Seargent 1 hour and 30 minutes on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity II [+17 all stats]
• Sergeant Major 1 hour without taking any dmg on towers = Silver Crown of Infinity III [+19 all stats]
• Sergeant-Commander 1 hour and 45 minutes on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity IV [+21 all stats]
• Second Lieutenant 2 hours on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity V [+23 all stats]
• Lieutenant 1 hour and 30 minutes on Hard Mode = Silver Crown of Infinity VI [+25 all stats]

• Captain Complete all quests under 1 hour = Golden Crown of Infinity [+30 all stats]
• Major 1 hour on Hard Mode without training extra units = Golden Crown of Infinity II [+33 all stats]
• Lieutenant Colonel Complete all quests under 30 minutes = Golden Crown of Infinity III [+36 all stats]
• Colonel 1 Hour on hard Mode without losing any units = Golden Crown of Infinity IV [+39 all stats]
• Brigadier General 2 hours on hard Mode = Golden Crown of Infinity V [+42 all stats]
• Lieutenant General 30 min. on hard without letting the Enemy Heroes reach the first Tower = Golden Crown of Infinity VI [+45 all stats]
• General 1 hour on hard without taking any dmg on units (except heroes) = Golden Crown of Infinity VII [+48 all stats]
• Grand General 30 minutes on hard mode without taking dmg on any Hero = Golden Crown of Infinity VIII [+51 all stats]
• Field Marshal 30 minutes on hard mode without taking any dmg on any building = Bronze Crown of Infinity IX [+54 all stats]

• Supreme Marshal 2 hours on Hard Mode without equipping any items (including the crown) = Golden Crown of Infinity X [+77 all stats]

All the ranks have to be completed in that exact order to get the next rank. For example, to get the Enlisted Rank you gotta have the Recruit rank first. So what do you think of my idea, neat ha




2. The second main issue with the game is the lack of income, there has to be a way the player can gather resources in some way, either getting gold from completing the events or quests or just from some gold mines deep in the forest.

Suggestion:

-Create quests where the player can go hunt creeps and undead mini-bosses in the forest to get gold and wood or free trapped units.

-Create gold mines in the forest that players can take over with peasants. The catch is that when a gold mine is taken over and starts producing gold, it triggers undead units to focus on the gold mine and attempt to destroy it. As a result, players have to be vigilant and defend the gold mine if they want to keep the gold flowing.



3. The main Loop gimmick is an interesting idea but I don't think it was well implemented, since you just have to die to loop the game and get + 1 dmg and armor for free each time no matter how bad you did in that run, seems flawed.

Now from my tests, I am not sure if the max is 3 loops or not since in my playthrough the game stopped looping after I died in the 3rd loop, either way, I suggest something like this, for a game to keep looping the player has to reach certain goals, also very important is that the player is informed of these goals somewhere in the corner of the screen or through a text or quest in f9, examples of goals:

-Kill 100 undead in total and each undead hero at least 5 times to unlock the first loop.
-kill 500 undead in total and each undead hero 20 times to unlock the second loop loop.

-Kill 1k undead in total and each undead hero 20 times that were once human heroes to unlock the third loop.
-kill 2k undead in total and complete 20 random events and 20 quests to unlock the fourth loop.

-Kill 1k undead in total and each undead hero 15 times on Normal mode to unlock the fifth loop.
-Kill 2k undead in total and each undead hero 20 times on hard mode to unlock the sixth loop.

And so on, you can come up with any random condition to keep the game looping, this can also be made like an RPG, where the progression can be saved, so the player can choose to start with the rewards of each loop after completing it once already so he doesn't have to repeat it each time he starts playing the map again.



4. I like how some enemy heroes have dialogue lines that relate to the defending human heroes but I wish there were a bit more lore bits there as well.

After the first boss, the ghoul pack leader, says his dialogue line to Davil, Davil could respond with his own: "Your twisted existence mocks the light, but even in the darkest night, the dawn will rise. Prepare to be cleansed by the righteous fury of the living!"

After the second boss comes and steals the soul of Redpath, Davil could say: "You may have claimed the soul of my dear friend, but the Light will exact vengeance upon your kind and the Lich King himself!"

After the Skeleton undead hero comes and says his line, Davil could say this: "Aah a spooky scary talking skeleton!"

And so on, u get the gist.



5. Horgus the Pack leader has mana but never seems to use any spells compared to the other undead heroes who use spells.



6. The tents look too similar to random bandit buildings that normally don't do anything in most if not all custom maps and because of that most players, including myself, might simply ignore them and because of that we won't be able to train most units...

The main training building for your army should look more like a legit building and not like a doodad, so I suggest making the tents look bigger and cooler or simply changing their skins to a structure similar to a human barack.



7. Talking about the events, from what I saw there are only 3 events in the whole game, the caravan, the refugees, and that random obelisk that spawns skeletons, the problem is, for example, the refugees event doesn't have any impact on the game, what is the reason for saving them, what does the player get for saving them? Exactly! Nothing!

That is bad obviously, every event should have a reward if the player manages to complete the event objective, and a penalty if the player fails the event objective, in this case, if the player manages to save all the refugees and brings them to the main hall then for each of them the player gets 50 gold and 20 wood, that would make the event have a meaning and it will make things interesting, otherwise the player won't give two shits about saving the refugees, and for the penalty, for every refugee that dies, the undead army will send a wave of 5 to 10 undead peasants to attack the humans as punishment.

Now, the player not only has the incentive to help all refugees get safely to the town hall to gain resources from them, but they will also do so out of fear of being swarmed by a horde of undead peasants. That sounds like an epic event, don't you agree?


8. This goes hand in hand with the previous suggestion, I think the villagers should be able to be used for something to help with the defense of the town, you can implement an income tax where each villager pays 1 gold and 1 wood every 10 seconds for being alive and safe in the town.

You can also create a training ground where a villager can enter and after 1 minute come out as a random warrior, the male villager can become a random male warrior like a footman or a priest, and the female one can become a success or a battle maiden, and the kids...
The kids can become... The Elite Fearsome Slingshot Bullseye Rangers (An epic ranged unit with high as and long-range) you know since kinds are rarer than any other villager type they should be able to become a more op fighter




9. Peasants should be able to build more than just barricades, like tents and towers, fancier and more expensive towers, etc.



10. I would suggest a change in the game mechanic regarding Redpath's instant death when Marduk spawns. Instead of instant death, Marduk could initiate a ritual that takes about 10 seconds to complete. If Marduk isn't defeated within this time, Redpath will lose his soul and become an undead hero. This would make it fairer for players, rather than having one of the main heroes randomly die when Marduk spawns.


11. Events happen like once in a blue moon, there should be an event happening at least once every 5 minutes.


12. The consecration spell from Davil lingers on the ground permanently and causes some fps drops and it makes the gameplay pretty hard to look at.


13. After the final cutscene that tallies the kills for each monster, there should be a comprehensive list displayed with all the kills and the timer. This will allow players to see all their achievements in one place, presented as a big text list on the screen.






Well, that's about it with my thoughts, like I said the map has a tone of potential, like a silver fancy plate, currently is somewhat empty, it would look much more appealing if it had some delicious gourmet food on it as well won't you agree?


My rating for this map as it currently is would be an 𝓐 Tier (Great) with 80 out of 100 points.

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~~Sup

I played on the latest version of Shitforged, with classic graphics, here are my thoughts.

Cute lil defense/survival map u got here, I did enjoy the gameplay even tho it gets pretty repetitive quite fast, also there is no winning scenario so the game keeps on going forever, usually that wouldn't be bad for a survival game if the game had some sort of achievements to it that rewards the player for surviving x amount of minutes, but in this case there is none.

One significant issue I noticed while replaying the map for additional tests is that in one of my longest games, my heroes kept leveling alongside the enemy undead heroes, I got to lvl 30 with 2 of them, hence why it was such a long game to begin with, heroes with such a high lvl were pretty much unkillable at that point.

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On Normal Mode, I could have continued, but I became bored. I played for nearly an hour and eventually allowed myself to be defeated.

However, after playing some more games, it appeared that they stopped leveling past level 5 for some reason. This seems strange to me. It might be a bug. If it's not a bug then I highly suggest removing any level cap on heroes, as having one is pretty dull and makes the gameplay super boring and just not fun, lvl caps in any game are always a bad idea!

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~Positives

1. I enjoyed the undead bosses; they were quite cool. It was also nice that they leveled up over time. I found it interesting how some of the allied heroes could defect and become undead heroes themselves, fighting alongside the enemies.

~Small thing here but very fancy, it would be cool if each undead hero had their own short and unique catchphrase lines when they revive, for example:
They don't have to say these necessarily every time they revive, but it would be cool to hear them say them from time to time.

Horgus:

"Brains and bones, here I come!"
"One down, one more to munch on! Get ready for a ghastly feast!" (after Redpath dies)
"Back for more! Your screams only fuel my hunger!"

Marduk:

"One soul down, one to go. Your despair only fuels my darkness!"
"One soul claimed... now I shall extinguish the rest. Your demise is but a step in my endless conquest!"
"One soul devoured, and now my blade thirsts for the rest. Surrender, or be consumed by my dark hunger!"

Redpath the Corrupted:

"Once a defender of the light, now a harbinger of darkness. Your end is at hand!"
"Friendship is but a fading memory. Prepare to fall by the hand of your former ally!"
"Old friend, your loyalty is a weakness I no longer share. Now, you will perish by the hands you once trusted."

Vectus:

"Your futile resistance only delays the inevitable. Witness the true power of necromancy!"
"From frost and darkness, I return to freeze and conquer your fate!"
"Resurrected in frost and necromancy, I’ll chill your bones and claim your souls!"





2. I enjoyed the recurring events such as the caravan passing through and refugees seeking shelter from other towns.

3. Can I just say that Davil is the man?! The true uncorrupted Giga Chad Davil!

Without his healing spell, everyone would die very quickly! I appreciate how affordable his spells are, and he also has decent mana regeneration. This is quite a rare and valuable thing you got here. Many map makers overlook the fact that playing a War3 custom map with heroes is not fun if those heroes can only use their spells a few times before running out of mana. That's just not enjoyable. They are heroes for a reason, so it's important to make their spells have a very low mana cost so they can be used frequently and have a bigger impact on the game.





My friend, The big picture of the game is there but it lacks a lot of key points that can help the game a lot, transforming it from a bland one to a masterpiece.

~Suggestiosns+Negatives

1. As I said previously, the game has a big issue, the lack of achievements, I suggest the following:

-For surviving on easy for 20 minutes the player gets a random bonus in the next game/loop.
-For surviving on Normal for 20 minutes the player gets a random bonus + one demi hero unit the next game/loop.
-For surviving on hard for 20 minutes the player gets two random bonuses + two demi hero units the next game/loop.

Then after that, you can add 1 extra reward after every extra 10 minutes of survival for every mode.

On top of that, you can add a specific unique reward item, the item is Called ~Crown of Infinity~. This crown is given to the player after surviving for at least 30 minutes in any game mode. When worn, the crown provides a +5 boost to all of the hero's stats. Furthermore, each successful rank quest accomplishment will add an extra +x stats to the crown.

The bonus will work like this, after getting the crown:

If a player survives for over 30 minutes during a game, the Crown evolves and grants a +6 bonus to all stats for the next game or loop. The player's progress is saved, so they start the next game with the evolved Crown. Also, a specific rank is needed to evolve the Crown.

After completing a game/loop with the crown surviving for 30 minutes, the player will be rewarded with the Recruit Rank, and gain the evolved crown with +6 all stats.

And so forth, here are the timing and the ranks with the rewards:

• Recruit
• 30 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity [+6 all stats]
• Enlisted
• 35 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity II [+7 all stats]
• Private
• 40 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity III [+8 all stats]
• Private First Class
• 45 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity IV [+9 all stats]
• Specialist
• 50 minutes without losing any unit = Bronze Crown of Infinity V [+10 all stats]
• Corporal
• 55 minutes = Bronze Crown of Infinity VI [+11 all stats]
• Lance Corporal
• 1 hour on Normal Mode = Bronze Crown of Infinity VII [+12 all stats]

• Sergeant
• 1 hour and 15 minutes on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity [+15 all stats]
• Master Seargent
• 1 hour and 30 minutes on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity II [+17 all stats]
• Sergeant Major
• 1 hour without taking any dmg on towers = Silver Crown of Infinity III [+19 all stats]
• Sergeant-Commander
• 1 hour and 45 minutes on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity IV [+21 all stats]
• Second Lieutenant
• 2 hours on Normal = Silver Crown of Infinity V [+23 all stats]
• Lieutenant
• 1 hour and 30 minutes on Hard Mode = Silver Crown of Infinity VI [+25 all stats]

• Captain
• Complete all quests under 1 hour = Golden Crown of Infinity [+30 all stats]
• Major
• 1 hour on Hard Mode without training extra units = Golden Crown of Infinity II [+33 all stats]
• Lieutenant Colonel
• Complete all quests under 30 minutes = Golden Crown of Infinity III [+36 all stats]
• Colonel
• 1 Hour on hard Mode without losing any units = Golden Crown of Infinity IV [+39 all stats]
• Brigadier General
• 2 hours on hard Mode = Golden Crown of Infinity V [+42 all stats]
• Lieutenant General
• 30 min. on hard without letting the Enemy Heroes reach the first Tower = Golden Crown of Infinity VI [+45 all stats]
• General
• 1 hour on hard without taking any dmg on units (except heroes) = Golden Crown of Infinity VII [+48 all stats]
• Grand General
• 30 minutes on hard mode without taking dmg on any Hero = Golden Crown of Infinity VIII [+51 all stats]
• Field Marshal
• 30 minutes on hard mode without taking any dmg on any building = Bronze Crown of Infinity IX [+54 all stats]

• Supreme Marshal
• 2 hours on Hard Mode without equipping any items (including the crown) = Golden Crown of Infinity X [+77 all stats]

All the ranks have to be completed in that exact order to get the next rank. For example, to get the Enlisted Rank you gotta have the Recruit rank first. So what do you think of my idea, neat ha




2. The second main issue with the game is the lack of income, there has to be a way the player can gather resources in some way, either getting gold from completing the events or quests or just from some gold mines deep in the forest.

Suggestion:

-Create quests where the player can go hunt creeps and undead mini-bosses in the forest to get gold and wood or free trapped units.

-Create gold mines in the forest that players can take over with peasants. The catch is that when a gold mine is taken over and starts producing gold, it triggers undead units to focus on the gold mine and attempt to destroy it. As a result, players have to be vigilant and defend the gold mine if they want to keep the gold flowing.



3. The main Loop gimmick is an interesting idea but I don't think it was well implemented, since you just have to die to loop the game and get + 1 dmg and armor for free each time no matter how bad you did in that run, seems flawed.

Now from my tests, I am not sure if the max is 3 loops or not since in my playthrough the game stopped looping after I died in the 3rd loop, either way, I suggest something like this, for a game to keep looping the player has to reach certain goals, also very important is that the player is informed of these goals somewhere in the corner of the screen or through a text or quest in f9, examples of goals:

-Kill 100 undead in total and each undead hero at least 5 times to unlock the first loop.
-kill 500 undead in total and each undead hero 20 times to unlock the second loop loop.

-Kill 1k undead in total and each undead hero 20 times that were once human heroes to unlock the third loop.
-kill 2k undead in total and complete 20 random events and 20 quests to unlock the fourth loop.

-Kill 1k undead in total and each undead hero 15 times on Normal mode to unlock the fifth loop.
-Kill 2k undead in total and each undead hero 20 times on hard mode to unlock the sixth loop.

And so on, you can come up with any random condition to keep the game looping, this can also be made like an RPG, where the progression can be saved, so the player can choose to start with the rewards of each loop after completing it once already so he doesn't have to repeat it each time he starts playing the map again.



4. I like how some enemy heroes have dialogue lines that relate to the defending human heroes but I wish there were a bit more lore bits there as well.

After the first boss, the ghoul pack leader, says his dialogue line to Davil, Davil could respond with his own: "Your twisted existence mocks the light, but even in the darkest night, the dawn will rise. Prepare to be cleansed by the righteous fury of the living!"

After the second boss comes and steals the soul of Redpath, Davil could say: "You may have claimed the soul of my dear friend, but the Light will exact vengeance upon your kind and the Lich King himself!"

After the Skeleton undead hero comes and says his line, Davil could say this: "Aah a spooky scary talking skeleton!"

And so on, u get the gist.



5. Horgus the Pack leader has mana but never seems to use any spells compared to the other undead heroes who use spells.



6. The tents look too similar to random bandit buildings that normally don't do anything in most if not all custom maps and because of that most players, including myself, might simply ignore them and because of that we won't be able to train most units...

The main training building for your army should look more like a legit building and not like a doodad, so I suggest making the tents look bigger and cooler or simply changing their skins to a structure similar to a human barack.



7. Talking about the events, from what I saw there are only 3 events in the whole game, the caravan, the refugees, and that random obelisk that spawns skeletons, the problem is, for example, the refugees event doesn't have any impact on the game, what is the reason for saving them, what does the player get for saving them? Exactly! Nothing!

That is bad obviously, every event should have a reward if the player manages to complete the event objective, and a penalty if the player fails the event objective, in this case, if the player manages to save all the refugees and brings them to the main hall then for each of them the player gets 50 gold and 20 wood, that would make the event have a meaning and it will make things interesting, otherwise the player won't give two shits about saving the refugees, and for the penalty, for every refugee that dies, the undead army will send a wave of 5 to 10 undead peasants to attack the humans as punishment.

Now, the player not only has the incentive to help all refugees get safely to the town hall to gain resources from them, but they will also do so out of fear of being swarmed by a horde of undead peasants. That sounds like an epic event, don't you agree?


8. This goes hand in hand with the previous suggestion, I think the villagers should be able to be used for something to help with the defense of the town, you can implement an income tax where each villager pays 1 gold and 1 wood every 10 seconds for being alive and safe in the town.

You can also create a training ground where a villager can enter and after 1 minute come out as a random warrior, the male villager can become a random male warrior like a footman or a priest, and the female one can become a success or a battle maiden, and the kids...
The kids can become... The Elite Fearsome Slingshot Bullseye Rangers (An epic ranged unit with high as and long-range) you know since kinds are rarer than any other villager type they should be able to become a more op fighter




9. Peasants should be able to build more than just barricades, like tents and towers, fancier and more expensive towers, etc.



10. I would suggest a change in the game mechanic regarding Redpath's instant death when Marduk spawns. Instead of instant death, Marduk could initiate a ritual that takes about 10 seconds to complete. If Marduk isn't defeated within this time, Redpath will lose his soul and become an undead hero. This would make it fairer for players, rather than having one of the main heroes randomly die when Marduk spawns.


11. Events happen like once in a blue moon, there should be an event happening at least once every 5 minutes.


12. The consecration spell from Davil lingers on the ground permanently and causes some fps drops and it makes the gameplay pretty hard to look at.


13. After the final cutscene that tallies the kills for each monster, there should be a comprehensive list displayed with all the kills and the timer. This will allow players to see all their achievements in one place, presented as a big text list on the screen.






Well, that's about it with my thoughts, like I said the map has a tone of potential, like a silver fancy plate, currently is somewhat empty, it would look much more appealing if it had some delicious gourmet food on it as well won't you agree?


My rating for this map as it currently is would be an 𝓐 Tier (Great) with 80 out of 100 points.

First of all - thank you, dearly. I enjoyed reading your suggestions and detailed review, even finding some gameplay elements that I didn't even notice myself

• In game design, "Battle of Darrowshire" is my attempt to redo mission from the last Zeratul mission from Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty, it was called "In Utter Darkness". It shares the same vision - you fight an unwinnable battle and will ultimately lose. In Starcraft 2 you learn valuable information about Kerrigan spoiler ehm-ehm. Here you just try to defeat as many undeads as you do. But your ideas for enhancing time loop are cool.
• About stutters and FPS drops - well, I'll try to find out why they are happening.
• In fact, there are 15 different events on the map. Yes, their rotation sucks and sometimes the game can roll a "free slot", thus doing nothing.
• About Redpath instant death - it was from past versions, even in WoW Marduk singlehandly defeats Redpath and then raises as undead. Thank you for clarifying!

Overall - your suggestion rocks and, well, could be addressed to create another map on that setting. And I already have some Warcraft lore-wise how to implement them.
Thank you!