About the Contests

[Deuterium]

I'm thinking of something new, like original: "Spiritual" maybe?

 

[Element of Water]

I think "spiritual" is a bit contained. I mean, how much can someone do about gods etc?

 

[Eccho]

Mythology as a theme perhaps?

 

[-Berz-]

Unicorn Strike! xP

whatabout:

Corpse/Necromancy Explodes, makes zombies out dead bodies, eating the corpse to heal yourself...

Also I have a little idea:

Any user is allowed to import one single custom icon/model/skin, as long the model, isn't bigger than [xxx Kb] and it doesn't do all the job (e.g. you make a nova spell and special effect does all the job)

 

[Element of Water]

You should be able to import one model and as many skins as you need for that model and one of each BTN, DISBTN, DISPAS, etc icon.

 

[Eccho]

I disagree. It's not the icons who do the spell. It's the script who does it.

 

[Element of Water]

Yeah, but it adds to the overall effect if you have an icon which actually represents the spell's effects, and a model which looks like you want it to.

 

[Eccho]

Aye... Im fair with 1 model and 1 icon for the spell (and the required BTN/DSBTN etc) then.
I guess I can vouche Poot about that change.

 

[Deuterium]

Well by Spiritual I meant "souls" and all... not gods like Soul exit from unit's inside to do something...

And I'm totally against imports... this should be all about the script and creativity with what you have...

 

[Element of Water]

Aye... Im fair with 1 model and 1 icon for the spell (and the required BTN/DSBTN etc) then.
I guess I can vouche Poot about that change.

Thanks, Eccho . You're a legend. And Deuterium, spiritualism doesn't have much to do with souls as "ghosts". It's more to do with worship / religion.

 

[Deuterium]

Oopsies guess I should have said: "ghosts" them... my bad! :s

 

[Element of Water]

I guess "soul" or "souls" could work as a theme.

 

[Deuterium]

Yeahhh that's what I meant
I mean you can do alot of things considering that, but needs alot of creativity

 

[Element of Water]

Yeah, I suppose. You could do things related to "possession" with that theme as well, don't forget.

 

[Deuterium]

Possession would be really nice if creatively done

 

[Eccho]

hmm... do to me resigning I am actually not sure what will happend next. I am going to decrease my activity... way low

 

[Cr34p]

we need new spell mods

 

[Eccho]

Again yes...

But what we really need truthfully is the new patch. Alot would be solved by that

 

[Cr34p]

don't hide the truth!!!^^

 

[Eccho]

Truthfully, that is the truth, among others, lol

 

[Deuterium]

off-topic:
Awww Eccho resigned there goes the best mod around the hive...
Well, you'd still be around as a normal user?

 

[The Reborn Devil]

I needz spells & systems mini contest noaw!

 

[Element of Water]

The patch has come - when will the contest begin, and who will judge it?

 

[Eccho]

I dont know. I guess, either poot, dsg or hvo

 

[Element of Water]

Should I PM one of them and ask about it?

 

[Eccho]

do so

 

[busterkomo]

Has a theme been decided on? I was thinking of Day/Night abilities (different effect depending on when it is cast).

 

[-Berz-]

Sounds, OK to me =)

 

[Element of Water]

I thought we were doing a soul/spirit/ghost theme?

 

[MistAssass]

yeah ... theme could be decided later but what about the contest :O

 

[Zack1996]

off-topic:
Awww Eccho resigned there goes the best mod around the hive...
Well, you'd still be around as a normal user?

Sigh... I guess you don't know about Wolverabid? IMO, he was the best Mod on the Hive. Unfortunately, he left the Hive due to real life problems...

Anyway, I just hope there could be a S&S mini-contest soon

 

[Deuterium]

Day/Night abilities

Well yes I was thinking a few days ago that that is the only them that haven't been spammed with ideas

Why don't you (hvo) and Dr. Super Good decide on a theme since you two know what would be good

And yo, I think a nice thing in the rules would be not using systems unless REALLY necessary, like something that is almost impossible for normal users to do. I mean it'll be nice if the person does all his scripting and also, I would worry that systems would affect the judging, 'cause some systems are more efficient than others... you know...

 

[Element of Water]

Useable systems should be attachment e.g. TimerUtils, or those of standardised things like BoolexprUtils.

 

[Eccho]

"third party systems" eg, something you didn't do is not counted in the judging...
It's the individual job of the contestant which is important

 

[Deuterium]

Well, the person who comes up with his own algorithms instead of using systems would have put more individual work into the scripts than that using systems...
Would the judge be looking into that? I mean I can tell you from now he'd be judging both the same...

 

[Element of Water]

I would assume that someone who made their own system would receive a better triggering grade than someone who just used systems off the internet. I doubt it'd count for much though. The thing is, maps are actually more efficient / use less memory if every spell which needs a timer attachment system uses TimerUtils, or if every spell which needs a true boolexpr uses BoolexprUtils. So it's actually better to use standardised systems than to make your own every time you need one, unless it needs to be slightly different specifically for your spell.

 

[Deuterium]

Yeah what you say is right, but I mean, since it's a "triggers & scripts" contest, why not do everything that's possible by yourself? I just find that more challenging and that actually reveals the better coders...

 

[The Reborn Devil]

Scripting everything yourself is the best. I can't remember a spell that I made where I didn't code everything myself.

 

[Justify]

Who says "it's the best"? It's the best in YOUR opinion. Nearly every spell of the contests is published in the spell section, and I think they should all use TimerUtils and Co. In my personal opinion, I'd ban functions like "CreateTimer" (unless it's a single global one) in the contest and prescripe the use of TimerUtils and co, everyone who read it ones can write it by his one, but it's not fully performant.

 

[Element of Water]

I agree with Justify partly, although CreateTimer() isn't that bad. It's just that DestroyTimer() is bad.

 

[Deuterium]

Nearly every spell of the contests is published in the spell section

As simple as it can get, update it before you post it into the spells section

 

[Justify]

Why should we? When everyone uses the same standart, there's no need of creating the same systems again and again for every contest. Oh and EoW, since I mentioned global timers, there're only local ones left. And locals that use CreateTimer() need DestroyTimer() too^^ but yeah

 

[Deaod]

Scripting everything yourself is the best.

Please dont submit anything you wrote, okay? Id like to have ONE place i have to update when things require updating, not a thousand. Also, id like to keep the line count of the map script file to a minimum.

I just find that more challenging and that actually reveals the better coders...

No, it reveals those who cant use other peoples code. And such people dont deserve a good rating. Its not challenging to reinvent the wheel.

 

[The Reborn Devil]

No, it reveals those who cant use other peoples code.

Or it reveals those who got the time and skills to make their own system, instead of using a system or function made by someone else. Using other peoples codes and scripts all the time is just lame.

Its not challenging to reinvent the wheel.

That's actually the most challenging and in some cases the most fun parts about the contest. It's not a contest about who uses f.ex. TimerUtils in the best way.

 

[Element of Water]

I have to say I agree with Deaod. Why bother making your own timer attachment system when a great one is available to all? It just makes more code in the map file and makes the map use more system resources (memory).

 

[Deuterium]

EoW, no one is saying "don't use systems". But this is a challenge, I mean that who knows how to make his own systems would be definitely a better challenger than that who doesnt...

It just makes more code in the map file and makes the map use more system resources (memory).

vJass has the "library" keyword for a reason.

I must agree with the The_Reborn_Devil...

And really? What's the problem with reinventing the wheel in a challenge...?

 

[Justify]

A single time it may be fun, but after several contest it's just boring. I could use the same system category I've written once again and again, then I'm better? Not at all...

 

[Element of Water]

What does the library keyword have to do with anything? And you still have no counter to my point about using more memory when there are more systems in the map.

 

[The Reborn Devil]

Replacing TimerUtils with your own system doesn't necessarily increase the map size or the memory taken. And if you make your own systems you will get better and better, because you discover new (and maybe better) ways to create that system. And if you create your own systems you don't need to search the Hive for systems or go look at other spells to get the systems you need, because then you already have them.

 

[Element of Water]

Ok, say every system using non-global timers in the map used TimerUtils. Now, say two of the systems decided to switch TimerUtils for their own systems. The map size gets bigger. Also, since a new hashtable/timer stack is needed, more memory is used.