The Last Stand v0.8.2

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Map Description
The Last Stand is a multiplayer post-apocalyptic zombie survival game where players build and defend a camp in a large open world.

Day Night Cycle
Build your camp during the day but make sure you get your defenses up before nightfall! The undead spawn around your camp in vast numbers at night and each night introduces a new Elite undead type to contend with.

Build Anywhere!
Build solo or with your friends - with no pre-defined building locations you can set up your camp anywhere! Not sure where to build? Use the "-bases" chat command to show recommend spots identified as Green, Yellow and Red spots on the minimap. Green spots are easy to defend solo with only 1 entrance, Yellow spots are hard to defend solo with 2-3 entrances. Red spots are very hard with 4+ entrances to defend and will require working with a friend. With the Builder job a Survivor can cut down trees to expand your camp. Get creative with your bases!

Survivor Jobs
Assign Survivors jobs to give them new skills and abilities. Give a Survivor the Builders Tools to assign them the Builder job unlocking more advanced buildings in the tech tree. Or, give a Survivor the Rusty Sword item to assign them the Militia job to give them an attack to help defend your camp. There are additional jobs: Spearmen, Marksmen, Medics and even more jobs being added in the future.

Explore and Loot
Send your hero out to explore the map while your soldiers defend the camp. Loot abandoned buildings, mines, piles of junk, etc to find more resources, exciting items, more Survivors or, if you're unlucky, the undead! Bring items back to your camp to beef up your soldiers.




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How to Play

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v0.8.2

Balance
  • Ceremonial Dagger no longer sells for any amount of gold/lumber

UX
  • Reintroduced tip messages (turn on/off with "-tips")
  • Changed the hotkey to toggle selected survivors' assigned job from 'Z' to 'Ctrl+Z' to avoid collisions

Bug Fixes
  • Opening the Quest dialog no longer crashes the game
  • Survivors will no longer spawn far away from your camp when you build your HQ tent too quickly
  • Hero now stops looting when he is ordered to drop an item
v0.8.1


Gameplay
  • Implemented Item Find Quality which increases a player's chance to find higher quality items. A value of 100% means no adjustment to loot quality while a value of 200% means highest chances to find highest quality loot.
  • Treasure Hunter's Pendant increases a player's Item Find Quality property by 20% and can't be stacked
  • Each difficulty after Normal increases Item Find Quality by 10%
  • Trader will no longer sell Shelters

UX
  • Added help window with tips for new players
  • Added QR code to loading screen and under Discord link in-game
  • Added a user friendly error message when trying to cast smoke grenade on invalid places such as cliffs and water

Bug Fixes
  • Fixed a crash at startup caused by a Wurst compiler bug
  • Fixing a bug where the builder build menu page navigation UI was in the wrong place starting with patch 1.33
  • Throttling the 'Z' key to avoid a bug that caused two events to happen immediately one after another
  • Fixed a bug where heroes weren't getting xp after being revived
  • Fixed a bug where a hero revived at a lower level would have incorrect abilities and ability levels
  • Fixed the phoenix
  • Removed tornado effect under units when they are near enemies
  • Fixed a bug where the difficulty dialog ready button stopped working after a period of time
  • Fixed undead visibility so they cant see over walls
  • Undead only target organic units if they are within attack range
  • Fixed a null ref ex when spawning deer for a player who left
  • Fixed a bug that caused players to have to wait in the difficulty selection screen if a player left the game before then
  • Fixed a null ref when accessing player save data for a player who left
  • Tunnels no longer have collision

v0.8.0


Full v0.8.0 Changelist Found Here

Hero Abilities
  • Sprint [W] - Increases movement speed by 20/30/40% at the cost of mana lost while moving
  • Blundershot [Q] - Fires a spread of projectiles that deal 600/1200/1800% of your base damage to targets in their path. Targets receive less damage the further away they are.
  • Smoke Grenade [E] - Throws a smoke grenade at a target area causing all enemies within to have a 30/75/100% chance to miss attacks and have 10/20/30% reduced attack speed for 15 seconds.
  • Looting Specialist [R] [Passive] - This survivor is profficient at looting and loots 10/20/30% faster.

Difficulty Selection
  • The game now has multiple levels of difficulty: Casual, Normal, Hard, and Insane
  • Each player chooses their own difficulty that affects only their spawns
  • Added the difficulty selection dialog at the start of the game
  • Selected difficulty is saved with your profile

Elites Reworked
  • New types of elites and additional tiers of each elite.
  • Each elite spawned has a difficulty-adjusted chance to be promoted to a higher elite tier.
  • Each elite tier is a more dangerous variation of the previous tier, some with added abilities.
  • Because each promotion is per spawn, not per wave, you can have different tiers spawning in the same wave.

For example, "Skeleton Archers":
  • Tier I Skeleton Archer - Normal ranged attacks, nothing special
  • Tier II Burning Archer - Attacks burn DOT, chance to stun
  • Tier III Skeletal Marksman - Attacks slow movement and attack speed, chance to stun

Gold Distribution Reworked
  • Elites no longer have a random chance of dropping gold
  • Players still receive a fixed amount of gold at the end of each night but now it is based on their difficulty. Surviving on this gold alone should be difficult.
  • Every Nth elite spawned in one night is guaranteed to drop gold. For example, in one night there may be a max of 3 elites allowed to be alive at any given time and a total of 9 spawning for the night. After 9 spawns no more will spawn. In this case every 3rd elite drops gold. The faster you kill elites the faster they will spawn and the more likely it will be that you will get all 3 gold drops.
  • Every 50th zombie spawned in one night is guaranteed to drop gold
  • The amount of gold dropped is affected by the player's difficulty
  • Enemies carrying gold have a visible shimmering effect on their model
  • Decreased the amount of gold found from looting

The Trader
  • The Trader spawns at a random location on day 2 and relocates to a new random spot the day after each boss fight (day 6, 11, 16)
  • He sells random items (4 common, 3 rare, 2 epic, 1 legendary) and his stock changes each time he relocates
  • His general location can be spotted from an operated Scout Tower between 10am and 4pm in game.
  • Look out for the "Survivor has spotted signs of the Trader" and an icon that appears on your minimap
  • Once a player discovers the Trader (he is no longer hidden by fog of war or black mask) he has been considered "found" and the player will no longer receive alerts about his position until he moves again
  • Gold can be exchanged for lumber via the Trader's horse, Redart.

Workstations
  • Workstations are a new type of building that require Survivors to operate them. Without an "operator" the building does not function.
  • A Workstation may have abilities and stats that scale based on the level of the Survivor operating them (ie the "operator level")
  • Some items (ie Operation Manuals) will benefit Workstations by increasing the carrier's operator level

New Building: Guard Tower
  • Deals single target piercing damage when operated
  • Attack damage and attack range is boosted by operator level
  • Built by the Builder in the Defenses menu

New Building: Cannon Tower
  • Deals aoe siege damage when operated
  • Attack damage and attack range is boosted by operator level
  • Built by the Builder in the Defenses menu

New Building: Scout Tower
  • Grants visibility in a large radius and can mark enemy targets to take bonus damage from attackers when operated
  • May reveal points of interest around the map when operated during the day
  • Built by the Builder in the Defenses menu

New Building: Tunnel
  • Build 2 Tunnel Entrences and connect them together to safely transport units a short distance underground
  • Built by the Builder in the Defenses menu

New Building: The Forge
  • Place items into the Forge and combine them into higher tier items
  • If an item placed into the Forge is part of a recipe then the recipe appears as a disabled button in the command area showing you the rest of the items needed for the recipe
  • If a recipe is fully satisfied then the button is enabled and you can press it to build the recipe

Current Forge recipes:
  • Leather Armor (Common) x2 -> Reinforced Armor (Rare)
  • Reinforced Armor (Rare) x2 -> Dragonhide Armor (Epic)
  • Gloves of Haste (Common) x2 -> Gloves of Greater Haste (Rare)
  • Gloves of Greater Haste (Rare) x2 -> Gloves of the Greatest Haste (Epic)
  • Claws of Attack +10 (Common) x2 -> Claws of Attack +30 (Rare)
  • Claws of Attack +30 (Rare) x2 -> Claws of Attack +60 (Epic)
  • Claws of Attack +60 (Epic) x2 -> Claws of Attack +120 (Legendary)
  • Small Stamina Potion (Common) x2 -> Stamina Potion (Rare)
  • Stamina Potion (Rare) x2 -> Big Stamina Potion (Epic)

Camp Fire Reworked
  • Camp Fire no longer automatically consumes Raw Meat to boost health and mana regen
  • Camp Fire is now a crafting station (like the Forge) and Raw Meat is an ingredient required to craft the Cooked Meat item
  • Crafting a Cooked Meat item in a Camp Fire changes the Camp Fire to a Cooking Camp Fire
  • Health and mana regen and aoe range is boosted while the camp fire is cooking (or crafting) the item
  • Mana is drained from the Cooking Camp Fire each second
  • Once the Cooking Camp Fire is "done cooking" (its mana reaches zero) it switches back to a regular Camp Fire, the cooked item is created and placed in its inventory
  • The cooked Cooked Meat item can be consumed by a unit to restore a decent amount of health over time (like Cheese or Bandages)
  • The Camp Fire can support any number of item recipes (again, like the Forge) and more can be added over time
  • The Camp Fire can only cook one thing at a time

Shelters
  • Shelters now provide a bonus to all Survivor max HP
  • Each Shelter adds 50/100/200 to the max hp of all survivors
  • Upgrading the Shelters provides better bonuses than building many shelters
  • Keep them alive or your Survivors will lose max HP

Gates and Walls
  • Must be rotated prior to placement! Press Ctrl+R to rotate them clockwise.

New Enemy: Tombstones
  • Tombstones are a new search-and-destroy type of elite that spawn outside your base and continiously spawn Dark Minions until they are destroyed.
  • They don't despawn during the day so make sure to prioritize them!

New Enemy: Fallen Bandits (Raiders)
  • A new type of elite unit that attacks in groups. If you hear a horn sound during the day STAY INDOORS! Raiders are coming to attack your base!
  • 1st time Raiders attack there is 1 wave, 2nd time is 2 waves, 3rd time is 3 ways and a mini-boss.
  • Must kill all raiders in a day to receive rewards.

New Enemy: Forbidden One
  • A new boss search-and-destroy type of boss that spawns outside of your base and continuously spawns Tentacles until it is destroyed.
  • They don't despawn during the day so make sure to prioritize them!





  1. Start by looking for a place to build your camp that has few entrances to defend. The more entrances you need to defend the harder the game will be. It might not be possible for you to defend a large area with 4 entrances without working together with a friend.
  2. Your hero starts with a Shelter Tent item in his inventory. Constructing a Shelter provides your camp with room for 1 Survivor. When you place your shelter you will see that a new Survivor will spawn nearby and walk to you. Place that when you are ready to start building your camp.
  3. Your new Survivor is jobless and can only do basic tasks around your camp. He can punch trees to get lumber, build basic structures and repair structures. The most important structure he can build is your Camp Tent; the headquarters for your camp. Have him build one asap.
  4. Now it's important to get more Survivors so that you can get more lumber. Your Camp Tent building provides 4 food for your camp. Each Shelter takes 1 food and (again) makes room for 1 additional Survivor. So, have your Survivor build 3 more Shelters.
  5. After getting your 3 new Survivors get them harvesting lumber quickly. This is a good time to send your hero out to loot buildings for additional lumber, rare gold and items. Simply right-click on buildings owned by the Villagers player to loot them.
  6. Once you have enough lumber have a Survivor build some Barricades or Walls. It is recommended to leave a small opening in one entrance to your base while completely closing off the others. This funnels the zombies into a small gap that you can heavily defend.
  7. Build Spikes outside of your walls to damage the undead as they attempt to make their way into your camp and have your hero pick off any that make it through.
  8. Have your Survivors build a Workshop. The Workshop unlocks many items in the tech tree and can build Builders Tools. The Builders Tools is an item that you can give to a Survivor to assign them the Builder job. When as Survivor is assigned a job they change into a different unit with new abilities. The Builder can build an entirely new set of buildings. Build the Builder's Tools and give them to a Survivor.
  9. Have the Builder build an Armory. The Armory can construct the Rusty Sword job item. Give the Rusty Sword to a Survivor to assign them the Militia job. The Militia are ranged units that can attack undead from a decent range but they cannot attack air.
  10. Eventually, night will begin and the undead will start pouring in. Survive until 6am and you will have made it through the night. Undead are damaged over time during the day so once the sun comes up you'll be in the clear.
  11. During the day send your hero out to loot more buildings since all buildings are now lootable once again.
  12. Repeat this process for as long as you can!











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Approved after credits update. (previous comments: The Last Stand v0.4.0)

Ozymandias

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Looks cool so far, thought I died right at night one (I was playing solo) and I couldn't find a one way defendable space

Thanks! There aren't many spots with only one defensible entrance currently but that could change. There's a grace period active for the first 3 nights and if you die during the grace period you are respawned the next day. Your buildings will be given to the Villagers player but you can reclaim them using the Rescue Survivor / Claim Building ability.
 

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A credits list in the map description with the names of the authors whose resources you've used is mandatory. That includes models, skins, icons, custom spells, systems. Also, sounds, music and everything outside this site.
This helps you with the models, skins and icons from Hiveworkshop: Resources in Use by The Last Stand v0.4.0 | HIVE

Camp Fire says it restores 0 stamina/second.

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A credits list in the map description with the names of the authors whose resources you've used is mandatory. That includes models, skins, icons, custom spells, systems. Also, sounds, music and everything outside this site.
This helps you with the models, skins and icons from Hiveworkshop: Resources in Use by The Last Stand v0.4.0 | HIVE

Camp Fire says it restores 0 stamina/second.

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Thanks deepstrasz. I updated the map description to include the credits. The next version will fix the camp fire tooltip issue.
 
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So having played this map for a while now, i can safely say that it's one of the better maps i've played in.... well long enough that i cant remember when the last map that i could spend this much time on came out.

The gameplay idea is super fun, and everytime i search a building i feel like a child at christmas, though being disappointed more often than not the hope of an amazing item or another survivor is keeping me at enticed, the zombies and special units are while quite stupid nothing to scuff at early on if you are new to the map.

There are a few bugs specificly on the Cryptfiend lvl where they dont know where to burrow and my entire screen is filled with bug reports so i can hardly see anything, though the issue is solved before the next night so not really an issue.

There are a few things i would change though.
#1. After the first 2 nights you should be able to have a solid defence of spearmen maybe even a marksman or 2 if you have done perticularly well you can take your camp leader and just walk about even during the night enemies only spawn around your camp so the camp leader is free to loot even during the night with no threat at all, i would recommend to make it so zombies spawn around the camp leader aswell if that is doable, maybe not as many as aroudn the base but just enough so that if you wanna play the night robber there is risk to it.

#2. Game is difficult enough that a new player might struggle a little on his/hers playthrough of the map, but after having played it 2 or 3 times the game becomes... well easy i myself only died once before figuring out a strat that basicly meant that no matter how many enemies were outside my walls i didnt have to give a damn, except for the abomination boss, maybe add different difficulties, for more experienced players?

#3. Game is fun and while a typical playthrough takes about 75 min, i feel like the game actually really fast and it ends way too fast, 75 min is a good length for a map i think but i would love to see maybe a survival mode after beating the last boss? where the game throws all the enemies you've beaten so far at you scaling higher every night. kinda like how it was done in fortress survival.

Anyway these are just my opinions and suggestions, and maybe some of these are already on your to do list. The maps is great and im looking forward to see where you are gonna take it.

I give this a 5/5 actually as it is now i think it's only a 4/5 but the potential is up there so im gonna show some favoritism caus i think the map is great.
 
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This map is great! The difficulty is very well balanced.
The Stamina drain is 10stamina per second and not 3 as listed in the tooltip.
I am very supriised how well the map is. Not many flashy animations. So far i managed to survive 5-6 nights with one friend.
The first game we struggles super hard because we didn't create more shelters, the 2nd night was better but still hard. After the 3rd and fourth attempt we got it figured out and it was a nice difficulty. On the one hand adding higher difficulties would be nice, but a player can do that him/herself by just choosing a more difficult spot to defend so no need to add more.
Getting Gold is super random. In one game i got about 20g in the first 2 nights, the next game I didn't get any gold until the 4th or 5th night. Maybe adding a little shop in the middle of the map where you can trade wood for gold for an expensive price. Maybe 1gold for 2000wood or so.
Otherwise we were positively surprised how great the map is.
 
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So I really like these types of projects, enough that I'm coming out of retirement to give a mini review of this one. I've played a few rounds of it solo now, got wiped out my first couple attempts but managed to complete it twice so far. The first time around, one of my first survivors spawned as a rifleman, which honestly made the game feel like such a cake walk. That might be too much of an advantage to receive by random chance like that considering how high up in the tech tree and expensive the rifle is, plus the fact that getting it that early on meant he leveled up quickly and could more or less hold the base alone with a few good items.

After that clear I got wiped again on the ghost round trying a more militia heavy strategy, which seems to absolutely get shut down on that wave because of the heavy magic damage and the fact that long range units are more likely to ignore your walls and attack the militia directly. It was also in this run that I realized upgrading a militia to a footman resets their experience which seems like an oversight? Either way it feels weird to pay to upgrade a unit only for it to be substantially weaker.

The attempt after that was my next clear and revealed to me what I think might be a fundamental flaw with the gameplay loop. I decided to try walling off completely and leaving my main survivor to loot buildings 24/7 and only return to restore stamina or drop off items when necessary. Honestly the main survivor isn't strong enough that their presence is missed if you do this beyond the first few nights (and if you get a lucky start and manage to get some early defenders your hero isn't even needed then). While it's a lot more micromanagement, the resources you rack up from not spending nights sitting in base is huge, and makes the game pretty trivial. There should probably be some risk to roaming around at night, currently because all zombies spawn near your base rather than your survivor there's nothing threatening about it except having a little less damage at home. I guess in a full multiplayer game this wouldn't be as much of an issue because you'd frankly run out of things to loot if everyone did it.

Aside from that other things that seem like issues to me are the randomness of gold when it's so necessary for more than rudimentary tech to the point where your progression is entirely bottlenecked by RNG, how squishy your melee fighters are even with a priest and buffed up campfire (and how little that matters because of the strange priority the enemies place on attacking walls) and the fact that gates are more expensive and more fragile than walls for seemingly no reason - you're better off just having one sturdy wall and leaving empty space to walk through since again enemies will go right for your walls even if you don't wall off completely.

I appreciate that the map is still in progress so I'm just highlighting things that seem like flawed parts of the core.
 

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So I really like these types of projects, enough that I'm coming out of retirement to give a mini review of this one. I've played a few rounds of it solo now, got wiped out my first couple attempts but managed to complete it twice so far.

Thanks for the thoughtful review!

The first time around, one of my first survivors spawned as a rifleman, which honestly made the game feel like such a cake walk. That might be too much of an advantage to receive by random chance like that considering how high up in the tech tree and expensive the rifle is, plus the fact that getting it that early on meant he leveled up quickly and could more or less hold the base alone with a few good items.

I agree that this isn't ideal and I will be addressing it shortly.

After that clear I got wiped again on the ghost round trying a more militia heavy strategy, which seems to absolutely get shut down on that wave because of the heavy magic damage and the fact that long range units are more likely to ignore your walls and attack the militia directly. It was also in this run that I realized upgrading a militia to a footman resets their experience which seems like an oversight? Either way it feels weird to pay to upgrade a unit only for it to be substantially weaker.

It's intentional but I understand how it feels like a bug. A Footman's stats at level 1 are about equivalent to a Militia's stats at level 7. A Captain's stats at level 1 are about equivalent to a Footman's stats at level 7. Resetting the xp makes progression feel more apparent, imo, since you watch your units gain levels more frequently over all.

The attempt after that was my next clear and revealed to me what I think might be a fundamental flaw with the gameplay loop. I decided to try walling off completely and leaving my main survivor to loot buildings 24/7 and only return to restore stamina or drop off items when necessary. Honestly the main survivor isn't strong enough that their presence is missed if you do this beyond the first few nights (and if you get a lucky start and manage to get some early defenders your hero isn't even needed then). While it's a lot more micromanagement, the resources you rack up from not spending nights sitting in base is huge, and makes the game pretty trivial. There should probably be some risk to roaming around at night, currently because all zombies spawn near your base rather than your survivor there's nothing threatening about it except having a little less damage at home. I guess in a full multiplayer game this wouldn't be as much of an issue because you'd frankly run out of things to loot if everyone did it.

Your strategy of sending the hero out at night to loot while your other units defend your base is exactly what I intend for skilled players to do. I plan on adding additional things for your hero to do around the map to further encourage that strategy and I plan on adding several different threats to make moving around the map more risky.

Aside from that other things that seem like issues to me are the randomness of gold when it's so necessary for more than rudimentary tech to the point where your progression is entirely bottlenecked by RNG

Yeah this is something I'm constantly trying to balance. RNG is an important part of the game but I think gold is a resource that necessarily needs to be skill based and less RNG-based. On this note, elite's drop a consistent amount of gold each night (equal to the night number) so as long as you are consistently killing your elites you'll be getting gold consistently. Furthermore they have an additional chance to drop even more gold so the faster you kill elites the higher chance you'll get gold for a night. All the gold from looting is RNG and a bonus on top of the regular elite gold drops. The combination of all these methods of receiving gold make it feel very dependent on RNG. All I can say is that it's better than it used to be and it will probably get better in the future.

how squishy your melee fighters are even with a priest and buffed up campfire (and how little that matters because of the strange priority the enemies place on attacking walls)

This strategy is more or less brand new with 0.6.0 and we are still working on balancing here. The militia build is very item dependent and naturally risky so in it's current state it's meant to provide a challenge. With version 0.7.0 medic's healing scales better so this strat may become easier.

the fact that gates are more expensive and more fragile than walls for seemingly no reason - you're better off just having one sturdy wall and leaving empty space to walk through since again enemies will go right for your walls even if you don't wall off completely.

Gates are weaker in order to encourage building larger bases with multiple walls instead of just one gate. This was partially introduced to nerf "hermit" bases where players carve out an base in a thick group of trees and put one gate down at the entrance.

The zombies focusing the walls instead of units is my attempt at strong-handing Warcraft's attack priority system to do something it doesn't want to do. It's less than ideal and I have a few more ideas on how to deal with this. I've been trying different solutions to make this issue feel better for years and I think this is the best it's gotten so far. Still, there may be additional strategies I can implement to improve it.
 
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Also can you add some voiceline to the main character? Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeee? #orcpeonWII
 
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Is this map still being updated? I played it on bnet recently and the Engineer building does nothing? Not sure if this is a bug or a feature. Anyway, my brother and I had a lot of fun playing this map.
 
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I must say this is a really nice and fun map to play! :grin:

was it inspired by this flash game?

So far I have played 2 games(solo) and as a beginner first time playing this map I was a bit confused of what I should do, it took me a while to realize that I should give the builder item to a survivor and use it to upgrade them.

The second time I played solo was somewhat better because I knew how to setup my base, I started searching a lot earlier and I knew about the units I could train to help me.

Although I always seemed to die at Day 7 for some reason lol...

1) IMO the most important thing you right need now is a save/load system !
-save/load player exp to transfer between each game, makes it feel like an achievement to play and progress
-shouldn't provide any bonuses so it's fair for new/low level players
-levels could possible just unlock a different hero model for the player to use (eye-candy)

2) Make the cost of searching a building visible/known to player
-when I was low on mana(energy/stamina?) sometimes I couldn't search a building
-an easy way of this is to simply create a floating text OR you can change the hp of a building to the required time

3) Player Equipment
-I found it a bit frustrating that I couldn't carry a lot of items(6)
-It would help A LOT if you implemented a hero equipment system that would also allow only 1 type of each weapon/armor
-other units can stay as is, this is mostly for the hero
-another useful thing would be the ability to have a secondary backpack to carry extra 6 items
 
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I must say this is a really nice and fun map to play! :grin:

was it inspired by this flash game?

So far I have played 2 games(solo) and as a beginner first time playing this map I was a bit confused of what I should do, it took me a while to realize that I should give the builder item to a survivor and use it to upgrade them.

The second time I played solo was somewhat better because I knew how to setup my base, I started searching a lot earlier and I knew about the units I could train to help me.

Although I always seemed to die at Day 7 for some reason lol...

1) IMO the most important thing you right need now is a save/load system !
-save/load player exp to transfer between each game, makes it feel like an achievement to play and progress
-shouldn't provide any bonuses so it's fair for new/low level players
-levels could possible just unlock a different hero model for the player to use (eye-candy)

2) Make the cost of searching a building visible/known to player
-when I was low on mana(energy/stamina?) sometimes I couldn't search a building
-an easy way of this is to simply create a floating text OR you can change the hp of a building to the required time

3) Player Equipment
-I found it a bit frustrating that I couldn't carry a lot of items(6)
-It would help A LOT if you implemented a hero equipment system that would also allow only 1 type of each weapon/armor
-other units can stay as is, this is mostly for the hero
-another useful thing would be the ability to have a secondary backpack to carry extra 6 items
I beat this game with my brother and wife. Took us about 10-15 tries. Trust me, it gets really hard on the last night LOL...I would like to share my thoughts on your suggestions.

1. Automated save/load would be cool but they can be buggy. Also, some players hate to have to copy/paste in the codes. Save/loads are a turn off for some people, but personally I like them.

2. You can search any building with 150 energy. You can always just try if you're not sure. Though I remember being frustrated early on - definitely a learning curve that your suggestion could improve.

3. Equipment system - I dunno if I like this. I like the flexibility of building attack speed + lightning orb or stacking tank items on a frontline captain. Also, you can have another survivor follow your guy to hold extra items.

The last night is kinda ridiculously hard. We barely won but we easily could've lost, and it would've sucked to have gotten so far only to lose.

Anyway, thanks for this, we really enjoyed this map.
 

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I'm glad you all are enjoying the map :) Thank you for your feedback!

was it inspired by this flash game?
Yeah it definitely was when I created the first version of the map back in 2005 or so. Nice catch XD. I like to think it has evolved into something else at this point.

1) IMO the most important thing you right need now is a save/load system !
I have some ideas for how to introduce some meta progression but it's all still early in development. Regardless of which direction I take it in, it will be codeless.

2) Make the cost of searching a building visible/known to player
I like that idea. It'd be a pretty nice optimization for looters so I actually might lock it behind some research that players can optionally spend some gold on.

3) Player Equipment
A second backpack was implemented in the past and I'm not against bringing it back in the future. I'd have to think more about a full fledged equipment system (that would be a lot of work) but at the very least a second backpack would be helpful.
 
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@Ozymandias thanks for taking the time to read my somewhat long review! :grin:

After playing a bit more I found somethings I forgot to mention before:

1) I would definitely recommend Easy Item Stack 'n Split v2.7.4 by @Dangerb0y (even though it's old, it's pretty good)

The features your map is missing:
-Allows units to seamlessly pick up items regardless of a full inventory. (IMO SUPER important and I'm still wondering why blizzard doesn't natively implement this)
-Allows splitting item stacks within a unit's inventory.

2) Scavenger Class/Job
-A Unit that can only search stuff, preferably has fast movement speed (and maybe limited to only 1?)
-I actually found it a bit hard to walk around and search only during day because I was focusing on upgrading/reconstructing the base
-Having a unit moving around and searching(when he has stamina) will improve survival chances a lot

3) Typo when unable to search
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Since stamina potions mention stamina and not mana I guessed this was a typo

4) Building Health Bar Hiding
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Alright so this might just be me but maybe you can hide health bars for search-able units (unless you have them shown to know what to search?)
You can easily hide health bars by changing Art - Selection Scale to anything negative e.g -10 (Shift + Enter for negative values)

5) Camera Distance

Again this might just be me (xD) but most of the time I set Camera Distance to 3000-4000 because I like to have a better view of the environment.

Higher Values can also be used but you need to change Map Options to remove the black fog:
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this example is what I use in my RPG Map and Camera Distance can go all the way up to 8000.

I really took a liking to your map and I think it has a lot of potential, hope to see more updates :thumbs_up:
 

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1) I would definitely recommend Easy Item Stack 'n Split v2.7.4 by @Dangerb0y
Yeah this looks interesting, I'll take a look. For now you can split item stacks using the "-split X" command, where "X" is the (iirc) zero-based inventory space index [0-5].

2) Scavenger Class/Job
I have something very much like this planned for a later version. Probably a few months out tbh.

3) Typo when unable to search
Yeah I'm actually not a fan of "stamina" anymore. I don't like that it increases the barrier entry (even if just by a little) and tbh it feels a little tryhard. Going back to "mana" eventually, I just haven't cleaned up all the references to "stamina" yet.

4) Building Health Bar Hiding
I like that it makes it more clear where the loot is but I get that it's a bit distracting. There's a better way to indicate that something is lootable and when I figure out what that is I'll hide those health bars.

5) Camera Distance
Did you find the custom camera button under the Allies menu button? Clicking that will present you with a zoom slider. Or, are you suggesting that the max zoom distance be increased? I think the current max is 2250; I don't have a problem increasing it.
 
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@Ozymandias

1. Ahh nice I didn't know you can split, although the system I provided allows splitting simply by dropping an item on top of it's self in the inventory.
2. Yes more classes/jobs will be a good addition to gameplay.
3. But doesn't mana feel unfitting for this map? cause Mana is related to Casting Spells....maybe you can try "Energy" instead?
4. One idea I might have for that is to use my experimental method (I can provide the code)
-When you enter the Blue Circle(Doodad with Brilliance Aura Buff as model) it shows a button with Hotkey F that can be pressed to interact
-The interact action can be customized to your liking
-I think this is gonna be easy for you since you already know and utilize the UI Natives
Interact Button.gif
5) Yes I already found your camera slider 👇🏻 I was suggesting the max camera distance to be increased :)
Warcraft_III_usdZESHafb.jpg
 
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Since update 1.33 i've been unable to play this :( the menu swapping for the builder is not working for me, and therefore cant get any of the advanced tools for my survivers. anyone else have this or is it just me?
 
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Yes. So I can play solo. I can only play for 30 minutes per week, so I have to save the game. Cannot save game in multiplayer as I play with random other people.
 
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