{OLD} Wc3:WoW Discussion

[thedeathunterxx]

lol that was an opbvious answer, yet none of us said it !

thank you Skudgemuffin !!!

thrall is gonna be level 100 then

 

[Craka_J]

The highest level I can make him is 9999 I think.

~Craka_J

 

[Hawkwing]

I think 100 would be best. >.>

 

[thedeathunterxx]

:O 9999 ??

thatz probably a NEWGEN cap right

would that level number show up in game when you hover over thrall xD?

 

[Kwah]

1337 should be the max.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

ya thats what i thought too >.>

 

[Craka_J]

Actually, you can set the maximum hero level to 9999 in Advanced>Gameplay Constants I believe.

~Craka_J

 

[Dumblor]

I thought the max level in gameplay constants is 255...

 

[Kwah]

No it's huge.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

its like 1,337,126,545

( i made the last 6 numbers up )

 

[JakeCake]

rofl, yeah make him level "1337" best number ever!

 

[Hawkwing]

As awesome as that'd be, I would rather not have Wc3:WoW turn out to be a "silly game", since even the slightest things tend to do that for me.

 

[Linaze]

I must agree with Hawkwing, making him level 1337 would just ruin it and make it all feel very unserious and silly. Either make him level 100 or 150 or something that still has the "serious" feeling about it.

 

[Hawkwing]

Also, he has to be killable. We don't want him to 1-hit KO everyone. 2-hit would be better. ;P

 

[Craka_J]

He won't be able to slaughter level sixties in two hits, but probably 3-6 hits ought to kill 'em. Depends on their gear and skill, as well as overall teamwork to overthrow the boss. The level will not be in the thousands, I'm just saying it's doable. The level will probably be 150 or 500. I think I remember someone telling me that the bosses are level 500 elites, but I doubt it.

~Craka_J

 

[thedeathunterxx]

umm in WOW i believe.

there are level 60 bosses.

there are level 256 bosses ( i think azurogos is level 256 ... not sure..)

there are level 500 bosses (like ragneros and onyxia )

then there are the big mfkerz like the lich king and illidan ( unknown levels xD )


im not sure about the level 256 bosses...i just heard about those.

 

[Hawkwing]

Thanks for that information. That should be really helpful!

 

[thedeathunterxx]

lol

i cant tell if yor being sarcastic or not xD

 

[Hawkwing]

Hawkwing is not being sarcastic.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

: )

well ya...

say, you say the max level is 60. so if im not mistaken your not planning on doing the expansion type thing, where the max level is 70. or 80 for that matter

 

[NinjasDontFight]

Lol be cool if they did. But thats about 50,000 more things to add!

 

[tyeeeee1]

...idots lol, even i know that a boss with a Skull for a level is 2 levels higher then the max level when that boss was released.

So thrall should be level 62 elite

 

[thedeathunterxx]

thats not all true.

i know for a fact that ragneros and onyxia and are level 500.

cause the max level you can ever get as a player is 255 (and thats on bugged servers >.>)

so than there are level 257 bosses?

 

[Hawkwing]

...idots lol, even i know that a boss with a Skull for a level is 2 levels higher then the max level when that boss was released.

So thrall should be level 62 elite

If a player/mob/npc is 2 levels higher then it will show as a skull. That doesn't mean that all bosses are exactly two levels higher.

 

[Aschy]

just to help you clear this one up. I never played wow after prebc, did anyone go back to MC and BWL and all those places after they hit level 70 or 80 and look at the bosses levels. and if it just came up with a skull I'm pretty sure that means that they were just a boss and were never ment to have a level. If they were anymore than like 5 or 6 levels higher than the characters I'm sure it would have been a lot harder to kill them prebc.

 

[ihatehumans]

...idots lol, even i know that a boss with a Skull for a level is 2 levels higher then the max level when that boss was released.

So thrall should be level 62 elite

This is correct. This can be determined in game by the miss/dodge etc. percentage that a player gets. Miss and dodge are based off your comparative level to the target you are attacking, it is harder to hit a creature higher level than you and easier to hit a creature lower level than you. If you have ever tried hitting a level 70 creature with a level ~55 player, even with your hit maxed out, it is damn near impossible, and yet onyxia can easily be hit, she doesn't have like a 90% miss rate. Some bosses are sometimes 3 levels higher. Bosses show up as "skull" even when you are 70 because that's something that has been programmed in to WoW, but for balancing they count as 2 (sometimes 3) levels higher, not 255 or 500 or what ever ridiculous number you care to make up. I think the main reason that on private servers your max level is 255 is something to do with the game engine and the way it stores character's, most specifically their level, there is only storage space for 255 levels!

Conclusion: Bosses should be level 62 or 63 for some really hard ones.

 

[Craka_J]

Thanks a lot ihatehumans. A perspective/explanation like that is actually more convincing and overall more helpful. Makes sense that the skulls are programmed to appear, even if it is a level 63 elite or whatever. Thanks again!

~Craka_J

 

[NinjasDontFight]

I'm confused with this lvs 255-500 stuff...


I just thought Onixya, Arthas, whatever... just had about 100k-500k of health... and 50,000-500,000 damage!?

 

[DrunkenPanda200]

I'm confused with this lvs 255-500 stuff...


I just thought Onixya, Arthas, whatever... just had about 100k-500k of health... and 50,000-500,000 damage!?

MWAAAHAAHAHAHAHA! 100k-500k? That's what a random critter has. Illidan for example has OVER 4 millions of hp. And Chuck Norris hp... well first of all there is no existing number big enough to calculate it, and secondly, a humans mind would not be able to handle the number even if it existed. But that has nothing to do with the discussion.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

lmao


actually GM's in WOW are level 255.

and im not saying thatthe level 62 boss thing isn't good. in fact i would prefer it that way.

but im just saying there are set levels. If you look closly in WOW, you will find that the miss ratio is calcutlated by the enemies Evasion, and your miss rate with your weopon.
the evasion doesn't tie in with the level that much, since a level 60 player, and a level 62elite boss would never get hit. istead there evasion is balanced with the players as to prevent never getting it.

 

[iPeez]

Even if it is not wow, it would been fun if you created Illidan's super form a level 1 rabbit. =) Uber killa

 

[Skore_sM]

No, it wouldn't.

 

[Craka_J]

Alright, alright! Enough discussing what level bosses might be and Illidan's (A boss that won't even be included in Wc3:WoW at all) pet. Lets get on another, more important subject: JASS scripters. We're in a desperate need for more! Although BoneBreaker claims to be working, I have my doubts. Besides, all cannot be left up to him for that will be a great risk and puts too much pressure on him anyway. Therefore, I need JASS scripters. I DON'T NEED GUI TRIGGERERS, NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE!

~Craka_J

 

[ihatehumans]

QQ I never really bothered to learn JASS. GUI has everything I need most of the time, and now when SC2 comes out it will apparently be 90% GUI with the new language being more like C# which I understand. GL finding coders

 

[Eleandor]

Alright, alright! Enough discussing what level bosses might be and Illidan's (A boss that won't even be included in Wc3:WoW at all) pet. Lets get on another, more important subject: JASS scripters. We're in a desperate need for more! Although BoneBreaker claims to be working, I have my doubts. Besides, all cannot be left up to him for that will be a great risk and puts too much pressure on him anyway. Therefore, I need JASS scripters. I DON'T NEED GUI TRIGGERERS, NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE!

~Craka_J

So have you tried people like poot or people from wc3campaigns yet?

 

[Kwah]

I'll be willing to start in the new year. I need to get to know the Jass syntax first.

 

[Hawkwing]

So have you tried people like poot or people from wc3campaigns yet?

Poot is gone. From Wc3 Modding all around.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

u know who the best scriptor is ?

N-a-z-g-u-l

he made the best jass made thing ever. he had gravity, acceleration, momentum, walking with arrow keys, all physics!!! and with it he made planes to actually fly like planes in warcraft 3. go search his name, and look up combat zone. you will be amazed.

leakless too !

 

[DrunkenPanda200]

u know who the best scriptor is ?

N-a-z-g-u-l

he made the best jass made thing ever. he had gravity, acceleration, momentum, walking with arrow keys, all physics!!! and with it he made planes to actually fly like planes in warcraft 3. go search his name, and look up combat zone. you will be amazed.

leakless too !

That sounds too awesome to be true. But if it is, he will be my new God.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

hmm wait a second.

just go to this link here

Combat Zone 3.6 - The Hive Workshop - A Warcraft III Modding Site

^^^ this map is so freaken awsome. must play it. and then learn the jass from it !

N-a-z-g-u-l is his old account, he now goes by the name of bob666.

 

[tyeeeee1]

lmao


actually GM's in WOW are level 255.

and im not saying thatthe level 62 boss thing isn't good. in fact i would prefer it that way.

but im just saying there are set levels. If you look closly in WOW, you will find that the miss ratio is calcutlated by the enemies Evasion, and your miss rate with your weopon.
the evasion doesn't tie in with the level that much, since a level 60 player, and a level 62elite boss would never get hit. istead there evasion is balanced with the players as to prevent never getting it.

WRONG

GM's use normal chars same as everyone else, they just have commands that make the account special. You can only get past the max blizz elvel on a private server, dosent mean that GM's on a live server can do all the same stuff as private.

The Bosses like thrall, sylvannis, and the rest of the city bosses are all 2-3 lev els higher then the max player level. Thrall in Vanilla=lv62 Thrall BC=lv72 Thrall WOTLK=lv82, Go use HeidiSql and use ti with a private server, it shows there level in the creature proto.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

true.

but lets drop it

 

[JakeCake]

true.

but lets drop it

YEES please, I just hate people talking about WoW, and think they are smart! Cause your not! It's a game! A stupid one

 

[thedeathunterxx]

It may be stupid...


but it is strangly addictive !

 

[tyeeeee1]

-Addicted since BETA and counting

 

[Kwah]

Back on topic people.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

lol, definetly the wrong place to post that.

did you make all the proper variables first ?? if you dont, it wont work.

 

[Dark Hunter1357]

A strange bug in the demo version:
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/8688/wcwowqj2.jpg

I pressed on a hero several times and this showed up. Then i pressed yes, nothing happened. I pressed on other heroes and the number of yes & no increased
Its obviously my fault, but i thought i should report it.

 

[Kwah]

Someone is making dialog boxes in a very strange manner.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

thats happend to me too in other maps.

its because there is like a split second between the time you select the hero and when the dialog appears. when you hit it mny times, u get many dialog buttons :/

i had noclue on how to fix it.