Medieval Villagers 1.09 by Shooterman56

[Peaces]

Add your name to the Map's name to avoid confusion.

 

[deepstrasz]

Add your name to the Map's name to avoid confusion.

Alongside the original and write a credits list. This helps: Resources in Use by Medieval Villagers 1.08e Open source | HIVE There are a lot of names to write.

Awaiting Update.

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• A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
  
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[Shooterman56]

Changes made, please let me know if there's anything else. Thanks

Alongside the original and write a credits list. This helps: Resources in Use by Medieval Villagers 1.08e Open source | HIVE There are a lot of names to write.

Awaiting Update.

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MAPS IN GENERAL
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Description Guide - Maps
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Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description

ADDITIONAL NECESSARY INFORMATION

• A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
  
• A detailed changelog in the first post would be helpful to reviewers and notify fans about the newest implementations to your map.
  
• Map thread tags are important. Please use those that fit and not more or none.

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PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique

LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

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[deepstrasz]

1. Why does the filename have a "1." before the actual name?
2. Play music using the other trigger so it won't pop out through the sound channel.
3. Unit training does not look like a passive ability even if it is. You could make the icon so with this: Button Manager v1.8.2 Same with building description.
4. The Stock Exchange items don't have the values needed to acquire them in their descriptions.
5. It's annoying that if the inventory is full you can't access things like properties and stuff. Might want to make them rune items for ease of use.
6. The well starts healing even if it is not completed yet.
7. So, only the hero is affected by hunger?
8. Also annoying that you can't select the backpack with the shops...
9. The map is a bit laggy for some reason. You might want to fix the leaks.
10. Workers can't mine? Nothing drops when they are attacking the ore vine with pickaxes.
11. Some items like pumpkin, carrot and cabbage have the same icon. Try finding proper ones.

All in all seems to be working. You could have made more new stuff and make some use for ships to actually be suitable for travel.
I want most leaks fixed. The game shouldn't be lagging at all not to mention from the start.

Awaiting Update.

 

[Peaces]

The pack horses can't carry TRADE GOODS, that's the reason why the horses exist.

 

[Shooterman56]

Hi guys, thanks for the feedback. I'll get working and tweak the next release to address most of the issues raised.

The leaks should be easy enough, plenty of resources on the forums.

• Why does the filename have a "1." before the actual name
• So, only the hero is affected by hunger?
• You could have made more new stuff and make some use for ships to actually be suitable for travel.

Awaiting Update.

I numbered the file name for ease of access, not really essential.
What are your thoughts on unit hunger? I had the feeling it might be a bit much having to access the hunger of armies and workers in the late game without aoe food items.
I knew I forgot something in the planned updates, seems only logical seeing as the shipyards are units in and of themselves. Any thoughts on the balancing for costs/method for transporting armies?

The pack horses can't carry TRADE GOODS, that's the reason why the horses exist.

Yeah it always seemed a bit weird, a holdover from the original version. Initially I had given traders riding horses from the start, but it wasnt very good for balance. At this point i think i will split the pack horse into a trading unit, and a general pack animal to help with farming and such.

Addition to other changes: retreat system removed due to confusion of new players and unintentional aggression of guards.

 

[noob2]

I have a question about the map:
What is the counter against a player without villager that kills the king then destroys the crown?(there is nothing killable that ends that player unless you start killing all he owns which can be extremely long if it is a landlord who spammed buildings and army)

"What are your thoughts on unit hunger? I had the feeling it might be a bit much having to access the hunger of armies and workers in the late game without aoe food items."
Since soldiers have wages it makes sense they do not need food.(they are probably supposed to use their money to have food and other stuff)

Landlords can have insane income by spamming war taxes and having a worker busy decorating at the same place over and over as you can destroy decorations without any problem.

Also picking the farmer option at start is less efficient for farming than picking the option "I will decide later" because with the latter you can buy the farmer tools then buy 3 melons which are better than lower level plants.

Thieves can lag the game to death with bandit tent spam once they got a good income from properties, missions and farming.(and possibly wood cutting too since wood cutters have a 0 apm cost once they are launched) the reason why bandit tent spam lags so much is that somehow bandits costs a lot of calculations periodically(probably the landlord research system)
Personally I have no idea how a landlord could counter the tsunami of bandits a thief can make if that thief tries to.

 

[deepstrasz]

"What are your thoughts on unit hunger?

About that, he could make it a bit more general so basically you'd feed a group of people at once or something.

Since soldiers have wages it makes sense they do not need food.

But yeah.

 

[Shooterman56]

I posted an updated version of this map here: Medieval Villagers 1.09 by Shooterman56

 

[deepstrasz]

I posted an updated version of this map here: Medieval Villagers 1.09 by Shooterman56

No. That's spamming. Upload it here. Replace the old file in this thread.

 

[Shooterman56]

No. That's spamming. Upload it here. Replace the old file in this thread.

Done, other thread has been deleted.

 

[deepstrasz]

The map still lags. Are there any periodicals leaking?

 

[Shooterman56]

The map still lags. Are there any periodicals leaking?

Strange. Where/when are you noticing the lag the most?
I looked over and reworked many new triggers I added on top of the original version. I'll have a look over it again.

 

[deepstrasz]

Strange. Where/when are you noticing the lag the most?
I looked over and reworked many new triggers I added on top of the original version. I'll have a look over it again.

Chose miner in the north-west. I hope it's something on my end? But other maps seem to work fine. I get a frame stop every few seconds or so.

 

[Shooterman56]

Chose miner in the north-west. I hope it's something on my end? But other maps seem to work fine. I get a frame stop every few seconds or so.

Yeah I can say I don't get any issues at such a consistent rate. I'll take a deeper look into what's going on. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Deleted member 247165]

Well then, here goes my review for this.

My rating for your map is 3/5 and vote for Needs Fix. Check this out : EmberCraft ARPG v0.10.773 for some inspiration. It's my favorite RPG map for Warcraft 3. Improve what must be improved and I will change the rating and the vote as well.

 

[Marinxar]

Quite enjoying this, and see great potential. Also like the way you heading in the change log.

 

[noob2]

My rating for your map is 3/5 and vote for Needs Fix. Check this out : EmberCraft ARPG v0.10.773 for some inspiration. It's my favorite RPG map for Warcraft 3. Improve what must be improved and I will change the rating and the vote as well.

I think there is a misclassification issue: it is not a classical rpg it is a life of a peasant map.
And I also have seen rpgs based on having a ton of stuff to do with no global plot (such as 99.9% of the mmorpgs and many sandbox rpgs but in the latter category there is often as many possibilities to change the world as possible(such as going around and killing people and seeing that when you kill people the population lowers and seeing that when there is no town guards left bandits and opportunists try to benefit from the chaos and so on) and/or incentive for making interactions between players).
In life of a peasant maps the role-play is supposed to come from the initiative of the players and not forced on them by a plot from which they can not deviate.(the latter is classified in role playing games but is not where role playing games started)
It just happens that here there is an ending condition which is rare for loap maps but otherwise it is not based on a single scenario because it is a sandbox.

Of course we could add some more complex scenarios but in a sandbox you would be frustrating the players which know which is the assassin when you do an investigation plot(because you would need to script the assassin to be immortal or else you can just forget there is a plot and the player will go straight to the assassin and kill it) and there is tons of plots which simply does not works more than once because in a sandbox people except to have freedom and directly try do the right thing rather than being forced to follow some enforced scenario.
So there is still complex scenarios which could be added to a sandbox but they need to be gigantic flowcharts with many possibilities or to arise physically from interaction between the actors of the plot.

And yes I like sandboxes which adds interactive scenarios but whenever the mapmaker feels like making one or not is up to him.

 

[CMD Knight]

Im a bit of a noob and im not sure how to go down the lich path, if someone could inform that would be greatly appreciated

 

[Aeghas]

Hey Can anyone confirm if this map is still being worked on ?

 

[ascen12]

it a fun map but is it still worked.

 

[Shooterman56]

Im a bit of a noob and im not sure how to go down the lich path, if someone could inform that would be greatly appreciated

Check the southeast corner of the map

 

[Shooterman56]

Hey Can anyone confirm if this map is still being worked on ?

Time is tight on my end, but I fully intend on working on this in the future.

 

[Edner]

Is the Thief guild working?
Is there a way to get perks (skills) about being Adventuring?

 

[Ardenaso]

I just saw this today, looks cool I'm really looking forward to try this soon

 

[Navirine]

Can i have a complete guide or tips and tricks for this map... i think its a good map but im kinda a noob hahahaha

 

[hjhoang2512]

I have the issue that if my save file bigger 10.5 mb, i got CTD when i loaded that saved. Don't know if my WCIII 1.29 got some issue or not?